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Post by Daedalus on Aug 31, 2015 18:18:59 GMT
Anthony was found dead the next day having choked on vomit. It wasn't his vomit. youtu.be/OQ1QHiYsSGEI'm not going to click that link. , given that description, it's entirely SFW and non-offensive. |
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Post by aline on Aug 31, 2015 19:09:31 GMT
Anthony was found dead the next day having choked on vomit. It wasn't his vomit. youtu.be/OQ1QHiYsSGE When Donald appeared with that bottle and people speculated that he would get Tony drunk to get a full confession out of him, I thought "nah. Tony drunk? No way we'll get to see that". My image of him changed on so many levels. By the way, a good friend should have at least got him down from that chair to sleep on the ground, the guy *is* going to land there at some point during the night anyway  |
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Post by freeman on Aug 31, 2015 19:24:09 GMT
Guess we'll get Annie's reaction on Wednesday. Here's my suspection: Annie, all overwhelmed of all this just sits down, the fire elemental holds her hand on Annie's shoulder comfortingly. Antimony symbol, chapter end. (Either that or rage@annie sets the house on fire, Renard escapes thanks to Kat's wisely given command.) Also:  gkc harhar hardyhar.png (190.93 KB) (It must be the heat of the fire that makes the humor so dry.) |
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Post by OrzBrain on Aug 31, 2015 19:34:15 GMT
Edit: Yeah, it could be read as Donny just pulling the door shut and taking out the blinker stone, but I don't think Donny would leave a house door unlocked with a passed out best friend inside. It's possible to lock a house door on your way out without using a key. You just turn the little thingy on the inside knob and then pull the door closed. Then you remember that you forgot and left you key inside the house. Then you get to test how hard it is to break into your own house. |
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Post by freeman on Aug 31, 2015 19:36:41 GMT
Also, Tony, if you pass out like that from a half of a half litre of brandy, you should go check yourself for diabetes. Also, Donny, very irresponsible of leaving a passed out person into a position like that, specially if he has diabetes. Edit: Yeah, it could be read as Donny just pulling the door shut and taking out the blinker stone, but I don't think Donny would leave a house door unlocked with a passed out best friend inside. It's possible to lock a house door on your way out without using a key. You just turn the little thingy on the inside knob and then pull the door closed. I understand that with traditional English doors you actually need a key to lock it from the outside, or from the inside for that matter, and that this little detail has prevailed there much longer than the much of the rest of the world. |
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Post by pxc on Aug 31, 2015 20:15:27 GMT
If anything Donny's words to Annie are kind of depressing IMO. Annie knows the truth. Or at least Tony's perspective. But how can she approach him from that perspective? According to Donny himself, Tony will not allow himself to be that open and honest and real with her. So what is she supposed to do now?
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Post by jda on Aug 31, 2015 20:41:04 GMT
Then, Tony awakes and mulls "Everything went as expected", in front of his Etheric-view-CC viewer.
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Post by Bill on Aug 31, 2015 20:47:39 GMT
I do think that's the most succinct way to express Tony's qualities. I'd also like to know what people will make of a certain little idea of mine: In a standard story where the villain is more clear, and the general fanbase grows to despise him, the story has to accumulate the evils of the character to justify the hatred. But with Tony, the steady accumulation of negative traits hit a full stop. I posit that the part of the community that continues to try and drag his character through the mud is attempting to use only the negative traits they've seen so far to justify their hatred, and those that think that this is an example of "sloppy writing" by Tom are disappointed they don't have anything else to add to the list. Thus far this comic has had only one villain, and she died in fire and fangs before the end of the chapter. And yes, I do recall the words and actions of Reynardine, Ysengrin, Coyote, the wisp, Ysengrin's army, the Love Boat, the Court, the Seraphs, the shadow that took over Robot's body, Diego (and all involved with the Jeanne incident), the etheric beings Anthony met, and of course Anthony himself. Except for the Court, Coyote, and the maybe-psychopomps, I understand their reasoning and motivations (...and that does not seem contrived... wow Tom is a good writer). Everyone is flawed. With the exception of Hetty, no one is a villain, and no one remains an antagonist for long. I give it even odds that this will remain the case for the rest of the story. To directly address your idea, confirmation bias is hard to avoid. |
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 31, 2015 21:45:56 GMT
Everyone is flawed. With the exception of Hetty, no one is a villain, and no one remains an antagonist for long. I give it even odds that this will remain the case for the rest of the story. I would argue that the Wisp and the shadow that took over S13 are decently close to being villains, albeit perhaps because we never learned very much about them. Regardless, your point stands. |
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Post by keef on Aug 31, 2015 21:57:06 GMT
Everyone is flawed. With the exception of Hetty, no one is a villain, and no one remains an antagonist for long. I give it even odds that this will remain the case for the rest of the story.  Tom in 2008 |
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Post by Ombre on Aug 31, 2015 22:11:08 GMT
And Donny saying everything we were thinking. And Tom showing why I trust him to make this work. Coming here in a hurry and not enough time to write a detailed post, so, basically, quoted for truthness. |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 1, 2015 4:01:35 GMT
If anything Donny's words to Annie are kind of depressing IMO. Annie knows the truth. Or at least Tony's perspective. But how can she approach him from that perspective? According to Donny himself, Tony will not allow himself to be that open and honest and real with her. So what is she supposed to do now? "So what is she supposed to do?" Drop a coin into sludge-maker on the wall and wait until it stops burping, because fake coffee will fix everything. No, wait, she have to bring back twenty bear asses and a sample of rare begonias growing only in the garden of That Crazy Lady. Indeed, no one explained her how to snap fingers and turn everything into rain of sunshine and ponies, starting from the differences between left and right hand.  On the bright side, however, Annie doesn't need waste time on being shocked, bewildered and running in circles screaming "what's going ooooon?!". Because now she knows what's going on: her dad is absolutely sure that the right way to wear pants is on the head, and happened to make it her problem now, and that's it. Oh, and also she discovered a new lead to one serious threat, if only by accident. |
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Post by madragoran on Sept 1, 2015 6:26:01 GMT
Annie just got to watch a live feed of her dad, her precious, god-like dad, her hero reduced to a sniveling drunk. You bet your little white stockings I wanna see her reaction. Which might surprise us all. She is also well known for wearing a mask after all. For her sake I do hope she calls Kat to tell her. And that she stops being cut up. She needs to stand on her own feet again, like she did before dad came to the court. Also Rey is usually on that desktop? Where Kat found him? We had a view of the desk and he is not visible. And I find it queer Donald did not help his friend to bed. His extremely drunk friend. I just hope that we get some ending to the whole "Dad is here" thingy in a bit. I want to see what happens with the spirit of Jeanne. And Eglamore's reaction to having Anthony around.
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Post by justcurious on Sept 1, 2015 7:35:31 GMT
Now that Annie knows that Tony's prohibition of her carrying out her medium's duties is because the Court told him to what is she going to do. She has no respect for the Court's desires in this matter nor should she.
And she is likely to try to find out who was responsible for tricking her father into cutting his hand off. She knows several groups who might have am idea.
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Post by philman on Sept 1, 2015 7:56:13 GMT
It's possible to lock a house door on your way out without using a key. You just turn the little thingy on the inside knob and then pull the door closed. I understand that with traditional English doors you actually need a key to lock it from the outside, or from the inside for that matter, and that this little detail has prevailed there much longer than the much of the rest of the world. As a traditional english person, I can say I have never seen this. Maybe in very very old houses this might be true, but most places use a standard Yale lock that will lock the door behind you when you shut it. |
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Post by OGRuddawg on Sept 1, 2015 8:36:36 GMT
I wish Tony had the guts to explain this to Annie himself... I don't hate him, since he was partially forced into the whole hold Annie back a year thing and he shows genuine regret for his actions. However, I still think he handled a lot of the post-wife-dying period quite badly.
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Post by speedwell on Sept 1, 2015 10:16:15 GMT
I understand that with traditional English doors you actually need a key to lock it from the outside, or from the inside for that matter, and that this little detail has prevailed there much longer than the much of the rest of the world. As a traditional english person, I can say I have never seen this. Maybe in very very old houses this might be true, but most places use a standard Yale lock that will lock the door behind you when you shut it. I've never seen a front door lock itself anywhere in Ireland! My house is ten years old and needs to be actively locked when I leave. I grew up in the US, though, and am quite used to being locked out of the house due to the "standard Yale lock" self-locking design. Also, Anthony had most or all of that bottle of whiskey. Pretty sure it was whiskey. Unless it was poitín, in which case don't let Antimony anywhere near him until he sleeps it off, or he's going to go up like a torch. |
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Post by justcurious on Sept 1, 2015 10:24:37 GMT
We still don't know the story behind the room Annie is in. Was it Tony's idea or might it have been hers? Why is it so bare and huge? I'm guessing that part of the reason is to make it easy to deal with Court bugs.
There are similar questions about Tony's house and a similar possible part explanation.
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Post by pxc on Sept 1, 2015 16:10:42 GMT
As a traditional english person, I can say I have never seen this. Maybe in very very old houses this might be true, but most places use a standard Yale lock that will lock the door behind you when you shut it. I've never seen a front door lock itself anywhere in Ireland! My house is ten years old and needs to be actively locked when I leave. I grew up in the US, though, and am quite used to being locked out of the house due to the "standard Yale lock" self-locking design. Also, Anthony had most or all of that bottle of whiskey. Pretty sure it was whiskey. Unless it was poitín, in which case don't let Antimony anywhere near him until he sleeps it off, or he's going to go up like a torch. It is likely modeled after a bottle of Licor 43. 31% ABV so not as high as whiskey. But still high enough that most of a bottle would probably put a skinny guy like Tony down for the count.   |
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Post by keef on Sept 1, 2015 16:35:19 GMT
...assuming your daughter's stuffed animals aren't contemplating dumping a glass of water on your trousers so that you wake up in a puddle and jump to an understandable but inaccurate conclusion. Aaaaaaaand there's our bonus page for this chapter. It looks like we are near the end of this chapter, but then why is it named: Annie and the Fire? Of course it is now confirmed the fire is Annie's soul, and was Surma's before, but somehow I expect a few pages more. It is likely modeled after a bottle of Licor 43. 31% ABV so not as high as whiskey. But still high enough that most of a bottle would probably put a skinny guy like Tony down for the count. No experience with this particular drink, but liqueur in any shape or form should be avoided as the plague. For those who still wish ill on Tony, he will be in the morning.. |
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Post by Gulby on Sept 1, 2015 17:00:13 GMT
For what it's worth, here is my wild spec : next page, we'll see fire elemental quietly approaching Tony, hesitating, and then she'll hug him. The soft warming will wake him up, with the vague sensation that it was Surma's hug. Annie will cry alot. But they will both, father and daughter, continue to act like if nothing happened whatsoever.
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Post by freeman on Sept 1, 2015 18:58:43 GMT
No experience with this particular drink, but liqueur in any shape or form should be avoided as the plague. For those who still wish ill on Tony, he will be in the morning.. Objection! Clean liquor gives very mild hangover, some headache depending on dehydration, but that can be cured with water. Compare to equivalent amount (in standard drinks) of red wine or just about any beer. |
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Post by aline on Sept 1, 2015 19:10:30 GMT
And I find it queer Donald did not help his friend to bed. His extremely drunk friend. Ya know, I've been wondering about that too. I think this is a subtle but definite hint that Donald is quite angry at him. He wanted him to wake up in that chair (or under it). Maybe so he wouldn't manage to overwrite the memory of that pathetic ending. |
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Post by keef on Sept 1, 2015 19:53:41 GMT
No experience with this particular drink, but liqueur in any shape or form should be avoided as the plague. For those who still wish ill on Tony, he will be in the morning.. Objection! Clean liquor gives very mild hangover, some headache depending on dehydration, but that can be cured with water. Compare to equivalent amount (in standard drinks) of red wine or just about any beer. Liquor or liqueur... Liquor is just simply a strong drink, wodka, whisky, jenever, or whatever. Liqueur on the other hand is the sweet stuff mixed with all kind of herbs designed to make you regret alcohol was ever invented. But drinking water helps, best way is to just drink the water and skip the booze.. |
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Post by freeman on Sept 1, 2015 20:26:43 GMT
Objection! Clean liquor gives very mild hangover, some headache depending on dehydration, but that can be cured with water. Compare to equivalent amount (in standard drinks) of red wine or just about any beer. Liquor or liqueur... Liquor is just simply a strong drink, wodka, whisky, jenever, or whatever. Liqueur on the other hand is the sweet stuff mixed with all kind of herbs designed to make you regret alcohol was ever invented. But drinking water helps, best way is to just drink the water and skip the booze.. Oh, right. That's a different story. Depends a lot where the liquor was mixed from. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 1, 2015 21:30:18 GMT
And I find it queer Donald did not help his friend to bed. His extremely drunk friend. Ya know, I've been wondering about that too. I think this is a subtle but definite hint that Donald is quite angry at him. He wanted him to wake up in that chair (or under it). Maybe so he wouldn't manage to overwrite the memory of that pathetic ending. Tough to say because Anthony also wants Anthony to wake up in that chair. Or possibly on the floor. While Donald wants Antimony to see the other side(s) of her father, I'm not sure he wants her to see her dad having a drunken tantrum as he resists the kindness of a friend helping put him to bed. |
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Post by keef on Sept 1, 2015 22:28:14 GMT
Ya know, I've been wondering about that too. I think this is a subtle but definite hint that Donald is quite angry at him. He wanted him to wake up in that chair (or under it). Maybe so he wouldn't manage to overwrite the memory of that pathetic ending. Tough to say because Anthony also wants Anthony to wake up in that chair. Or possibly on the floor. While Donald wants Antimony to see the other side(s) of her father, I'm not sure he wants her to see her dad having a drunken tantrum as he resists the kindness of a friend helping put him to bed. Or Tom just wanted to draw Tony this way: vulnerable, lost, miserable and alone. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Sept 1, 2015 23:38:57 GMT
Tough to say because Anthony also wants Anthony to wake up in that chair. Or possibly on the floor. While Donald wants Antimony to see the other side(s) of her father, I'm not sure he wants her to see her dad having a drunken tantrum as he resists the kindness of a friend helping put him to bed. Or Tom just wanted to draw Tony this way: vulnerable, lost, miserable and alone. He's already been drawn that way, I think you mean didn't want to draw him any other way. |
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Post by warrl on Sept 2, 2015 2:05:16 GMT
Drop a coin into sludge-maker on the wall and wait until it stops burping, because fake coffee will fix everything. Not necessarily....   (Note: the bottom-half link will become valid sometime Thursday afternoon. The top half is already a valid link.) |
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 2, 2015 2:12:07 GMT
Does Anthony even _have_ a bed? He's got an office chair, an overstuffed chair, and a desk. We don't know what's in the other rooms of that house, of course so maybe he does, but the guy seems furniture-averse to an amazing degree.
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When Donald appeared with that bottle and people speculated that he would get Tony drunk to get a full confession out of him, I thought "nah. Tony drunk? No way we'll get to see that". My image of him changed on so many levels.
