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Post by Nepycros on Aug 31, 2015 7:00:36 GMT
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Post by aquamafia on Aug 31, 2015 7:01:58 GMT
Guess we'll get Annie's reaction on Wednesday.
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 31, 2015 7:02:59 GMT
Well, I wish Donny had tried to talk to Tony about how Annie had been hurt, but he presumably judged that Tony was just too broken and hurt right now. And he was probably right.
Donny again shows his strength as a friend and empathetic human being. Tony and Annie are both lucky to have him around.
*Team Donny 4evs*
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Post by Nepycros on Aug 31, 2015 7:02:38 GMT
I do think that's the most succinct way to express Tony's qualities.
I'd also like to know what people will make of a certain little idea of mine:
In a standard story where the villain is more clear, and the general fanbase grows to despise him, the story has to accumulate the evils of the character to justify the hatred. But with Tony, the steady accumulation of negative traits hit a full stop. I posit that the part of the community that continues to try and drag his character through the mud is attempting to use only the negative traits they've seen so far to justify their hatred, and those that think that this is an example of "sloppy writing" by Tom are disappointed they don't have anything else to add to the list.
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Post by avurai on Aug 31, 2015 7:03:11 GMT
I love Donny so much it's unbelievable.
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Post by hellohello on Aug 31, 2015 7:06:40 GMT
Donny's the emotional rock of the comic, isn't he?
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 31, 2015 7:09:18 GMT
Donny's the emotional rock of the comic, isn't he? Lookit that face of his. He's Jones level stone. |
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 31, 2015 7:11:28 GMT
And I guess Donny sums things up. Nothing really excuses Tony's epic of failures on all levels, but we needed to see what's been going on with the guy.
Now, it can be hoped, the plot shall begin to reclaim some forward momentum.
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Post by ctso74 on Aug 31, 2015 7:11:53 GMT
Guess we'll get Annie's reaction on Wednesday. Or maybe we'll see Rey's?... Donny's such a good guy, and (though I feel sorry for him) Tony can be such a tool. I wouldn't be surprised, if there was a Nice Guy Donny/ Scumbag Tony meme, going around the Court between students. |
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Post by fish on Aug 31, 2015 7:12:55 GMT
This makes me sad. If even Donny doesn't know how to make Anthony open up to his daughter, I feel like he never will. Let's see what Annie will make of this all.
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Post by edzepp on Aug 31, 2015 7:17:14 GMT
And Donny saying everything we were thinking.
And Tom showing why I trust him to make this work.
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Post by scottjm on Aug 31, 2015 7:25:25 GMT
I am starting to wonder if Renard is even still in the house.
He should have reacted to something, and there is allot of of evidence to suggest the court wants him under their control.
It would not surprise me if the court leaders had Tony pass him off to them by now....
Which would likely not end well, and prove Eglemore right...
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 31, 2015 7:28:34 GMT
I have to agree with Donald
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 31, 2015 7:30:26 GMT
Anthony has been revealed as being in the wrong. He has also been revealed as a human.
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Post by aline on Aug 31, 2015 7:31:17 GMT
This makes me sad. If even Donny doesn't know how to make Anthony open up to his daughter, I feel like he never will. Let's see what Annie will make of this all. It was never going to be all solved and dealt with in one evening. I'm sure Donald hasn't said his last word yet. |
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Post by Elysium on Aug 31, 2015 7:31:26 GMT
Meanwhile, Donny is busy being the most awesome person on Earth.
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 31, 2015 7:31:51 GMT
I guess now the stories done we can begin to draw our own conclusions about Anthony.
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Post by avurai on Aug 31, 2015 7:32:18 GMT
I do think that's the most succinct way to express Tony's qualities. I'd also like to know what people will make of a certain little idea of mine: In a standard story where the villain is more clear, and the general fanbase grows to despise him, the story has to accumulate the evils of the character to justify the hatred. But with Tony, the steady accumulation of negative traits hit a full stop. I posit that the part of the community that continues to try and drag his character through the mud is attempting to use only the negative traits they've seen so far to justify their hatred, and those that think that this is an example of "sloppy writing" by Tom are disappointed they don't have anything else to add to the list. Seeing as the idea that Anthony isn't responsible for his behavior is ludacris at worst and misguided at best, and attempts to 'drag him through the mud' really only serve to hold him accountable for his many transgressions against an impressionable minor who he abandoned in order to go on a goosechase, I agree that to call this writing sloppy would be to do it a great disservice. In a single panel Donald succinctly condensed the entire message of the chapter in an important and natural way. We've been allowed insight into the life and mind of a troubled man and we've been gently reminded this does not excuse him, and many a story would give us one or neither. Tom has a level-head many an author would kill for. |
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Post by philman on Aug 31, 2015 7:34:48 GMT
Donny is such a nice guy, and this comic is so much about shades of grey, it makes me wonder if his day job involves experimenting on human subjects or something.
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Post by arf on Aug 31, 2015 7:36:41 GMT
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Aug 31, 2015 7:43:01 GMT
There's Donny, speakin' for the forum.
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Post by edzepp on Aug 31, 2015 7:45:15 GMT
I do think that's the most succinct way to express Tony's qualities. I'd also like to know what people will make of a certain little idea of mine: In a standard story where the villain is more clear, and the general fanbase grows to despise him, the story has to accumulate the evils of the character to justify the hatred. But with Tony, the steady accumulation of negative traits hit a full stop. I posit that the part of the community that continues to try and drag his character through the mud is attempting to use only the negative traits they've seen so far to justify their hatred, and those that think that this is an example of "sloppy writing" by Tom are disappointed they don't have anything else to add to the list. Seeing as the idea that Anthony isn't responsible for his behavior is ludacris at worst and misguided at best, and attempts to 'drag him through the mud' really only serve to hold him accountable for his many transgressions against an impressionable minor who he abandoned in order to go on a goosechase, I agree that to call this writing sloppy would be to do it a great disservice. In a single panel Donald succinctly condensed the entire message of the chapter in an important and natural way. We've been allowed insight into the life and mind of a troubled man and we've been gently reminded this does not excuse him, and many a story would give us one or neither. Tom has a level-head many an author would kill for. Well, if this had absolved him of responsibility, considering everything that has ever been written about Annie and Tony's relationship, I'd have called THAT sloppy writing. Everyone wins in this scenario. We get the character development, the notion that said character development does not fully excuse his actions, and Tom continues to show why he has a deft hand in writing on a difficult topic. I think many of us have had our opinions challenged a little (mine included), and that's good. If we could all stop trying to rub past opinions in each other's faces forever, that'd be just fine. |
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Post by kralex on Aug 31, 2015 7:45:46 GMT
Ye olde 'In vino veritas' treatment. Never fails. Also, Donny is so fricken cool, I wonder if he's part ice elemental.
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Post by edzepp on Aug 31, 2015 7:46:44 GMT
Donny: MVP character.
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Post by geminisun on Aug 31, 2015 7:46:40 GMT
Donny confirmed for best character in Gunnerkrigg Court.
Now that the Anthony Carver Emotional Damage Extravaganza has concluded, and Donny has succinctly and gently told Annie that she's still allowed to be angry and hurt about what her father has done, I think this is going to be really helpful for her. Her anger and pain have been validated, but so has her love - and this information about Tony's inner life should make it easier for her to contextualize what he's doing and process it in a healthier and more useful way.
Now she knows - she has been told this, but now she knows - that when he seems cold or even cruel, it isn't because he secretly hates her, or blames her, or that she has to earn his love. He is just completely pants at being a father. And now she gets to decide what she's going to do with that, emotionally.
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 31, 2015 7:52:48 GMT
I do think that's the most succinct way to express Tony's qualities. I'd also like to know what people will make of a certain little idea of mine: In a standard story where the villain is more clear, and the general fanbase grows to despise him, the story has to accumulate the evils of the character to justify the hatred. But with Tony, the steady accumulation of negative traits hit a full stop. I posit that the part of the community that continues to try and drag his character through the mud is attempting to use only the negative traits they've seen so far to justify their hatred, and those that think that this is an example of "sloppy writing" by Tom are disappointed they don't have anything else to add to the list. Seeing as the idea that Anthony isn't responsible for his behavior is ludacris at worst and misguided at best, and attempts to 'drag him through the mud' really only serve to hold him accountable for his many transgressions against an impressionable minor who he abandoned in order to go on a goosechase, I agree that to call this writing sloppy would be to do it a great disservice. In a single panel Donald succinctly condensed the entire message of the chapter in an important and natural way. We've been allowed insight into the life and mind of a troubled man and we've been gently reminded this does not excuse him, and many a story would give us one or neither. Tom has a level-head many an author would kill for. See, I don't disagree with this (and the post you were quoting was both out-of-line and rude), but I think I speak for a lot of people when I say we're all getting sick of hearing all this. Tom's embraced the middle position held by many on the board, and now that this exposition is taken care of, hopefully we shall be returning to the main story soon enough. Dare I say, perhaps Annie will even regain some of her fire in the near future? Time shall tell. No more minds are likely to change on whether Tony's a heartless abuser or a martyred paragon, especially since we're moving away from Tony's self-psychoanalysis. It's been almost the singular topic on this board for several months, and has polarized us to such an unfortunate degree. In light of these facts, can you and Nepycros and everyone else in the peanut gallery kindly stop debating this?  I don't mean to sound harsh, sorry, but... Or at least move it to here. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Aug 31, 2015 7:54:47 GMT
Window of opportunity to ask questions/opine on lifestyle choices missed... though I'd probably have approached the topic from a very oblique angle if at all if I were Donlan... say, from the standpoint of asking Anthony what he was going to do with Antimony in the future.
I think the real "life hack" learned here is that drinking at your home is a lot cheaper than drinking at a club or bar. It's also less stressful... assuming your daughter's stuffed animals aren't contemplating dumping a glass of water on your trousers so that you wake up in a puddle and jump to an understandable but inaccurate conclusion.
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Post by Daedalus on Aug 31, 2015 7:57:27 GMT
...assuming your daughter's stuffed animals aren't contemplating dumping a glass of water on your trousers so that you wake up in a puddle and jump to an understandable but inaccurate conclusion. Aaaaaaaand there's our bonus page for this chapter. |
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Post by Rasselas on Aug 31, 2015 8:04:22 GMT
Anthony has been revealed as being in the wrong. He has also been revealed as a human. It's kind of what I've been trying and failing to implore for, in many previous posts. Still there's no satisfaction in "I told you so's," I'm happier that we've been able to have some engaging discussions from various perspectives. All that, despite the volatile and galvanizing subject. What kind of art would it be, if it didn't make everything erupt in contrary opinions and outrage? This comic is the best. I don't say without reason that this is one of my favorite stories in general, not just in the comic medium. Fire Head Girl! What will you do next? |
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Post by foresterr on Aug 31, 2015 8:06:35 GMT
Every bloody single time Donny gets some real screen time, I end up more of a fanboy.
Maybe if he had too much screen time his frankly superhuman levels of being a decent human being would become grating, but as is, he's a great character.
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I don't mean to sound harsh, sorry, but...
