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Post by Nepycros on Aug 12, 2015 7:01:22 GMT
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 12, 2015 7:02:23 GMT
So, I imagine that's probably where the arm came off, since that's when he asked for the scalpel.
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Post by Trism on Aug 12, 2015 7:02:46 GMT
The antenna didn't reach Surma, it reached the fire elemental inside Annie. That's why she was in coma, that's where the bone fingers came from.
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Post by Nepycros on Aug 12, 2015 7:03:13 GMT
So, I imagine that's probably where the arm came off, since that's when he asked for the scalpel. From the look of it, his eye came out in better shape than his arm. Wonder how that worked. |
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Post by Rasselas on Aug 12, 2015 7:03:19 GMT
holy crap this is amazing
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 12, 2015 7:03:54 GMT
The antenna didn't reach Surma, it reached the fire elemental inside Annie. That's why she was in coma, that's where the bone fingers came from. |
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Post by gunnerwf on Aug 12, 2015 7:04:44 GMT
I'm guessing the bonelasers were an attempt to resurrect Surma. If he's trying to resurrect Surma, I don't think it would be good for annies health. Her resurrection would entail draining the fire out of Annie. It's possible that he would be willing to sacrifice Annie to bring back Surma, he seems unhealthily obsessed with bringing her back.
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Post by ysca on Aug 12, 2015 7:05:22 GMT
The antenna didn't reach Surma, it reached the fire elemental inside Annie. That's why she was in coma, that's where the bone fingers came from. Pretty sure that was Surma, at least in part. I wonder if that means that that fire elemental was the first one to mate with the human, constantly passing through the different bodies of it's descendants. |
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Post by esc7 on Aug 12, 2015 7:07:57 GMT
The antenna didn't reach Surma, it reached the fire elemental inside Annie. That's why she was in coma, that's where the bone fingers came from. Which means he did it unknowingly. Whether these "guides" knew what was going on is another question. For instance, the idea that people exist after dying and being absorbed back into the ether seems to directly contradict what we know, right? Your soul goes back into the ether, and the ether continues to "keep the world spinning" and new lives take ether on as their souls. It's only when lots of beings with beliefs die and enter the general gestalt of the ether does the ether warp reality to conform to their notions. But people surviving past death, Surma still existing...this should be impossible right? Does that mean these "guides" are lying to Tony? Are they malevolent? Are they imposters? |
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Post by edzepp on Aug 12, 2015 7:08:05 GMT
The antenna didn't reach Surma, it reached the fire elemental inside Annie. That's why she was in coma, that's where the bone fingers came from. The worst part is I think he's even wearing the same shirt.  |
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Post by preus on Aug 12, 2015 7:09:24 GMT
Are we getting a better look at what the RotD looks like to people who aren't Kat?
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Post by Chancellor on Aug 12, 2015 7:11:23 GMT
The antenna didn't reach Surma, it reached the fire elemental inside Annie. That's why she was in coma, that's where the bone fingers came from. Which means he did it unknowingly. Whether these "guides" knew what was going on is another question. For instance, the idea that people exist after dying and being absorbed back into the ether seems to directly contradict what we know, right? Your soul goes back into the ether, and the ether continues to "keep the world spinning" and new lives take ether on as their souls. It's only when lots of beings with beliefs die and enter the general gestalt of the ether does the ether warp reality to conform to their notions. But people surviving past death, Surma still existing...this should be impossible right? Does that mean these "guides" are lying to Tony? Are they malevolent? Are they imposters? Well, not exactly. Like you've got folks like the people in the RoTD and ghosts like Mort and things like Jeanne that exist in a form after death. I think the existence of Valkyries like Brinnie corroborates the existence of a Valhalla which in turn supports other conventional afterlives, but the main point seems to be that eventually everything goes back into the ether, whether it's seventy years as a ghost, or hundreds of years as a vengeful spirit of vengeance and wrath at the bottom of a chasm. As to what the guides do or do not know, they can be killed, and they aren't all powerful, so I see it being likely that they aren't all-knowing either. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Aug 12, 2015 7:20:37 GMT
That smile in the first panel is scaring the hell out of me. Even more than the thing in panel 3.
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Post by The Anarch on Aug 12, 2015 7:25:29 GMT
Tony falls in with a bad crowd.  |
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Post by madragoran on Aug 12, 2015 7:28:28 GMT
... you poor deluded fool. I love how Tom takes the "lone hero, looking for answers, and offering even bits of himself up" and turns it around into "because I couldn't ask anyone for help I almost killed myself and my daughter". Seems being the lone hero is dramatic but inefficient.
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Post by gwydion on Aug 12, 2015 7:42:40 GMT
I think Tony was/and or is insane. Just look at the first panel.
Although I'm kind of certain that these are the actually the Guides, it seems to be Tony doesn't see them quite right, not to the degree of Kat but still. Either that, or it may be a black dog myth like Cwn Annwn (Cwn Arawn?) trying to mislead him.
I'm slowly starting to understand Tony's situation and kind of sympathise, he seems to love Annie as he went to her subconsciously but then again stuff is still yet to be explained.
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Post by Eversist on Aug 12, 2015 7:44:13 GMT
I wonder how Jones knew that the call was for Annie. And how the one "Antimony," got through. Interesting; this chapter is fantastic.
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Post by gwydion on Aug 12, 2015 8:08:20 GMT
Wouldn't it be weird if Jones was the antenna, in a sort of wobbly wobbly etheric-y way. It would give her an origin point, but I'm most certainly wrong on that one.  |
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Post by smjjames on Aug 12, 2015 8:18:53 GMT
If those things ARE psychopomps, they all appear to be ones for animals, the first one is maybe bats? Aside from the compound eyes, the second one is maybe seabirds (the skull looks like a SeaGull's or maybe Albatross) or just birds in general?, the third one is some sort of herbivore, no idea what though.
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Post by aline on Aug 12, 2015 8:21:19 GMT
Wouldn't it be weird if Jones was the antenna, in a sort of wobbly wobbly etheric-y way. It would give her an origin point, but I'm most certainly wrong on that one. I think she was just the owner of the closest phone available, since Annie doesn't have one.
Well, that explains a lot. No wonder Anja's computer couldn't locate him. I don't think Tony was trying to bring Surma back, all that was given to him was a mean of communication. He wanted to talk to her. And he reached Annie instead, since she is the current owner of Surma's etheric being.
As for the psychopomps... it's possible they didn't realize at the time that this guy's life was a special case. Even so... Are they allowed to just let a human talk with the dead? Where they really the psychopomps, or did Anthony find something entirely different with a special agenda?
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Post by speedwell on Aug 12, 2015 8:23:41 GMT
I think Tony was/and or is insane. Just look at the first panel. Although I'm kind of certain that these are the actually the Guides, it seems to be Tony doesn't see them quite right, not to the degree of Kat but still. Either that, or it may be a black dog myth like Cwn Annwn (Cwn Arawn?) trying to mislead him. I'm slowly starting to understand Tony's situation and kind of sympathise, he seems to love Annie as he went to her subconsciously but then again stuff is still yet to be explained. He may love his daughter. He may think that bringing Surma back is doing the best possible thing for all of them. He may think a lot of criminally ignorant, misguided, fanatical things, "wrong things for the right reasons". Paraphrasing what we all say about Coyote, "Anthony is no innocent, and therein lies the danger". |
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Post by stef1987 on Aug 12, 2015 8:31:36 GMT
I get the feeling those guys around psychopomps, they remind me more of the creatures that attacked Ysengrin and Annie in the forest.
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Post by philman on Aug 12, 2015 8:54:14 GMT
Are we getting a better look at what the RotD looks like to people who aren't Kat? That was my thought too, especially given Tony was surprised to hear the message came through on a phone, in the same way all the RotD stuff looked like technology and people in silly masks to Kat, to most other people (like Tony) it looks like spectral figures and creepy caves and stuff. Tony has manged to find his way to the Realm of the Dead to ask questions. And we know they don't exactly give good answers, and the guides and RotD don't exactly get along either as we have seen. My prediction on Monday that the events in Divine were the result of Tony trying to contact the medium that took Surma, inadvertently harming Annie as he didn't realise she was the guide obviously seem to be wrong now. I am going to modify that now, this obviously looks like he tried to contact Surma on the instructions from the RotD, however the part of Surma that still lives on and was not returned to the ether, and is therefore contactable, is the fire inside Annie. Tony doesn't know this though, the RotD didn't tell him. This antennae he constructed tried to contact it, and ended up part-separating it from Annie. I think what Annie went through in Divine is similar to what happened to Surma once Annie was born, however Surma slowly lost the fire and eventually died, whereas in Divine it was cut off suddenly, Annie went into a coma, but was awakened by Zimmy cutting off the connection. Also, the events at the end, when Zimmy punched Tony saying "Message from yer little girl mate", Tony will have heard that, and now thinks that Annie is somehow preventing him from speaking to his dead wife, not realising that the part of his dead wife that is still here is inside Annie, as the fire. |
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Post by pasko on Aug 12, 2015 8:54:59 GMT
Tom, stop.
Stop humanizing Anthony.
It's not fun.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Aug 12, 2015 8:57:14 GMT
Lovely. As if Annie didn't have enough of a reason to be pissed at the Guides. First they abandon her when her mother needs to cross over, then they manipulate her father into trying to drag her mother back.
What cracks me up is this whole time we've been throwing around all this elaborate speculation about how Tony might've had some scheme revolving around Annie's fire elemental...meanwhile, from the sound of it ("this...ether") the guy probably doesn't even know her fire elemental exists! The poor sap isn't just dismissive of the supernatural, he sounds downright clueless
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Post by Per on Aug 12, 2015 9:53:48 GMT
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Post by pxc on Aug 12, 2015 10:12:19 GMT
If those things ARE psychopomps, they all appear to be ones for animals, the first one is maybe bats? Aside from the compound eyes, the second one is maybe seabirds (the skull looks like a SeaGull's or maybe Albatross) or just birds in general?, the third one is some sort of herbivore, no idea what though. I don't think their form necessarily dictates what type of life they can lead into the ether. When Annie helped the boy that played with fire as a child, Moddy Doo, a dog, was trying to guide him into the ether. |
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Post by justcurious on Aug 12, 2015 10:29:22 GMT
It's beginning to look like Tony didn't know what he was doing in Divine. The question is did the entities that he communicated with understand what he wanted and did he understand what they said. He may not have been trying to affect Antimony at all. We'll know soon.
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Post by aline on Aug 12, 2015 10:44:21 GMT
Are we getting a better look at what the RotD looks like to people who aren't Kat? That was my thought too, especially given Tony was surprised to hear the message came through on a phone, in the same way all the RotD stuff looked like technology and people in silly masks to Kat, to most other people (like Tony) it looks like spectral figures and creepy caves and stuff. Tony has manged to find his way to the Realm of the Dead to ask questions. And we know they don't exactly give good answers, and the guides and RotD don't exactly get along either as we have seen. Except the Realm of the Dead is where you find dead people. As far as we know that's not where psychopomps live. They probably have their own realm within the ether. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 12, 2015 10:51:33 GMT
Get over it Tony. The Fire Elemental just isn't into you. Your tacky gifts and/or poorly constructed poetry are not going to impress her.
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