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Post by aline on Aug 4, 2015 17:42:41 GMT
So... Any chance that, in a technicality, James provided artificial insemination material for Annie? I'm guessing not... Was wondering if some way could be worked out that Annie was Tony's child while still having a connection to James. I think the chances are somewhere in the minus area. But that might make a fun fanfic. |
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Post by Draxiss on Aug 4, 2015 18:51:24 GMT
I just got really excited that Tony opened his mouth when exhibiting emotions. I love all the little cues Tom leaves.
Actually, the stuff they're doing fits really well with symptoms of Autism Spectrum Disorder or Asperger's. I wonder how much if it is learned and how much is genetic? Basically, when emotions get too intense, either personally or in your environment, you shut down. It's easily mistaken for lacking emotional depth, when it actually means that the person has too much to handle.
I can sort-of understand Antimony's behavior towards his daughter, having been diagnosed with Autism myself. I found Young Tony and Any-Age Antimony to be much more relatable because of that.
Basically, I really want to see where Tom goes with this.
There's never any therapists. Why are there never any therapists, especially in a place as progressive as the Court? Alright, there's Lindsey, but she specializes in couples.
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Post by antiyonder on Aug 4, 2015 20:29:44 GMT
I can sort-of understand Antimony's behavior towards his daughter, having been diagnosed with Autism myself. I found Young Tony and Any-Age Antimony to be much more relatable because of that. Basically, I really want to see where Tom goes with this. There's never any therapists. Why are there never any therapists, especially in a place as progressive as the Court? Alright, there's Lindsey, but she specializes in couples. Speaking as someone with autism, I put the effort into trying to understand someone, even if I'm oblivious to certain details. Tony, on the other hand just doesn't seem to try or care for that matter. |
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Post by keef on Aug 4, 2015 21:57:34 GMT
About Anthony not being Annie's biological father: Question: Is Annie really Anthony's daughter? Tom: Yes. 
Formspring, the site Tom used to answer reader questions, is currently part of a company accused of spamming, so for the moment I won't link to spring.me
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Aug 5, 2015 5:16:37 GMT
It seems like he's blaming himself for Surma's death. I'm wondering if he really does blame Annie, he might just be wallowing in self pity. That's not self-pity, it's a fairly accurate assessment of his results: he set out to cure Surma. Surma died. Ergo, he failed. That's the thing about Tony, he's not wrong. I get the impression that Tony is the kind of person where you're constantly forced to say: |
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 5, 2015 10:30:47 GMT
You know, those of us who turned various googletracks off see this:  |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Aug 5, 2015 15:05:24 GMT
You know, those of us who turned various googletracks off see this: HAHAHA that works too! I can't imagine why you'd want to turn off board formatting though |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 31, 2015 23:03:10 GMT
Pardon me while I disturb the slumber of this thread... Anthony said that Surma cut off contact with Anja, even though it broke her heart, because she didn't want Anja to watch her waste away. Assuming Anthony’s recollection is correct, why did Surma believe she needed to exclude everyone, but Anthony, from the rest of her life? Did Surma’s watch her own mother waste away? Did she see the toll it took on her mother’s friends? I don't know if we'll ever find out more. Surma's dead. I think Anthony has probably said all we're going to read. The only confirmation that might come up is Anja remembering something Surma may have said about her mother. |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 1, 2015 4:19:59 GMT
Anthony said that Surma cut off contact with Anja, even though it broke her heart, because she didn't want Anja to watch her waste away. Assuming Anthony’s recollection is correct, why did Surma believe she needed to exclude everyone, but Anthony, from the rest of her life? Did Surma’s watch her own mother waste away? Did she see the toll it took on her mother’s friends? Pride? "Don't want them to see me like this" way of thinking is not very rare. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 1, 2015 11:00:26 GMT
Anthony said that Surma cut off contact with Anja, even though it broke her heart, because she didn't want Anja to watch her waste away. Assuming Anthony’s recollection is correct, why did Surma believe she needed to exclude everyone, but Anthony, from the rest of her life? Did Surma’s watch her own mother waste away? Did she see the toll it took on her mother’s friends? Pride? "Don't want them to see me like this" way of thinking is not very rare. Seems too simple, unless pride is just one part of the reason. We've seen enough of the Court to understand why Surma would want to leave it forever, but cutting off all contact with her best friend seems extreme and insufficiently explained. Anja and Donald went back to the Court with Kat, so they had different conclusions about the Court. Maybe those different conclusions were another reason. Maybe pride is the only part of Surma's reasoning that Anthony could understand. So when Anthony told Donald why she cut off contact, pride was the only explanation Anthony could give. Or Surma hide the other reasons from Anthony, so he said everything he knew. I know this is just backstory, and we may never see more if it, but I want to think that even Tom's backstories aren't simple. |
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Post by scottjm on Sept 1, 2015 13:28:46 GMT
Anthony said that Surma cut off contact with Anja, even though it broke her heart, because she didn't want Anja to watch her waste away. Assuming Anthony’s recollection is correct, why did Surma believe she needed to exclude everyone, but Anthony, from the rest of her life? Annie needs Anthony, he is not doing a very good job, but she needs him. I would say most of her current problems stem from him no being there. Surma probably also needed Tony's support/care while she was dying. Did Surma’s watch her own mother waste away? Almost certainly. The same as Annie watch surma fade away. Did she see the toll it took on her mother’s friends? She might have. My crazy theory is she saw what it did to her father, and chose the one person she thought could handle the loss... who handled it worse then she thought he would. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 1, 2015 22:14:06 GMT
Did she see the toll it took on her mother’s friends? She might have. My crazy theory is she saw what it did to her father, and chose the one person she thought could handle the loss... who handled it worse then she thought he would. I really hadn't considered how Surma's decision to marry Anthony may have been influenced by what she may have seen her mother and family go through. We saw Surma comment on James absence, so I assumed Anthony was just Mr Available and Mr Willing. But your idea that Surma thought Anthony could handle her passing, and James could not, makes more sense. |
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Post by warrl on Sept 2, 2015 1:29:17 GMT
Pride? "Don't want them to see me like this" way of thinking is not very rare. Seems too simple, unless pride is just one part of the reason. Shame? Over things she hadn't shared with most of her friends? That Anthony knew about by happenstance? Source of possible shame specifically (not saying she SHOULD have felt shame over this, just that she MIGHT have): She agreed with the Court's suggestion that she lead Reynard on to get him to their side. As a result, two of her friends - the guy Reynard took over initially, and Eglamore's dragon - are dead, along with others maybe, and her friend Reynard is imprisoned. So she's unhappy with the Court and wanting nothing to with it personally, but also rather unhappy with herself. She cuts off contact with friends as self-punishment, as a means of blocking contact with the Court, and because she doesn't want them to know of her "crimes". She decides to have a child sooner than she otherwise might, as a form of half-suicide. Hm... maybe, maybe not. It could be right. Or wrong. Or somewhere in between. |
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Post by keef on Sept 2, 2015 6:59:53 GMT
She might have. My crazy theory is she saw what it did to her father, and chose the one person she thought could handle the loss... who handled it worse then she thought he would. I really hadn't considered how Surma's decision to marry Anthony may have been influenced by what she may have seen her mother and family go through. We saw Surma comment on James absence, so I assumed Anthony was just Mr Available and Mr Willing. But your idea that Surma thought Anthony could handle her passing, and James could not, makes more sense. Anthony promised her he could cure her. That may have influenced her decision. |
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 2, 2015 21:19:44 GMT
Seems too simple, unless pride is just one part of the reason. We've seen enough of the Court to understand why Surma would want to leave it forever, but cutting off all contact with her best friend seems extreme and insufficiently explained. Shame? Over things she hadn't shared with most of her friends? [...] two of her friends - the guy Reynard took over initially, and Eglamore's dragon - are dead, along with others maybe, and her friend Reynard is imprisoned. So she's unhappy with the Court and wanting nothing to with it personally, but also rather unhappy with herself. I still suspect an enormous shouting match was another part of it. See also: Tony here. But also, you're still looking only for human reasons. If we look beyond those - Good Hope also was an environment objectively better suited for early training of Annie, wasn't it?.. Anthony promised her he could cure her. That may have influenced her decision. There's no reason to assume she seriously considered it possible at all - even according to Anthony. |
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