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Post by Nepycros on Jul 29, 2015 7:00:19 GMT
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Post by aquamafia on Jul 29, 2015 7:01:55 GMT
Did Tony just f****** smile?! WHAT IS GOING ON.
Also, that stump looks like it got burned. Uh oh.
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Post by Nepycros on Jul 29, 2015 7:02:08 GMT
Also, I'm curious: Who has shown more emotion facially in the entirety of GC: Tony, or Donald?
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Post by Chancellor on Jul 29, 2015 7:02:27 GMT
Tom.
TOM, DON'T YOU START HUMANIZING TONY -NOW- YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WILL CONFLICT ME.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jul 29, 2015 7:03:26 GMT
Bizzaro Tony? Bizzaro Tony. Did Tony just f****** smile?! WHAT IS GOING ON. AM I EVEN READING THE RIGHT COMIC? |
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Post by edzepp on Jul 29, 2015 7:04:09 GMT
Slightly pickled Tony.
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Post by zarathustra30 on Jul 29, 2015 7:06:40 GMT
Is... is that why he needed the scalpel?
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Post by artezzatrigger on Jul 29, 2015 7:07:32 GMT
OH GOD HE SMILED
A THOUSAND CURSES ON US ALL
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Post by sotha on Jul 29, 2015 7:11:09 GMT
Well, you see, he needed to give Annie an hand with her mask, and got one of his own.
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Post by edzepp on Jul 29, 2015 7:11:06 GMT
Tony happy.
Readers befuddled.
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Post by avurai on Jul 29, 2015 7:11:31 GMT
This feels like a Jim North "MEANWHILE (in an alternate universe)" edit posted on the main site via hack. This is so diametrically opposed to every bit of characterization we've ever seen it feels like Donny just teleported into a different universe entirely. Even the last page made a lick of sense, this doesn't at all. In one panel he went from robot to normal dude like Agent Smith noticed a glitch in the Matrix and decided to fix it by flipping a switch.
Weirdly enough, the more emotion he displays, he angrier and more uncomfortable he makes me. He really is capable of holding a conversation, he's capable of being warm and friendly, he just doesn't even try to do so for his daughter. He doesn't see it as being worth the effort, whatever reasoning he provides for himself as to why. That's just so depressing and excruciating, it's awful.
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Post by edzepp on Jul 29, 2015 7:18:05 GMT
There is quite the gulf between how he chooses to deal with Donny alone and how he chooses to deal with everyone else (including his daughter).
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Post by Nepycros on Jul 29, 2015 7:18:52 GMT
I'd like to mention that the community here has unanimously formed a hate mob for Tony, and even if he shows redeemable qualities in the future, he'll likely remain a hated character.
But I want to remind folks: If he does a good thing, praise the good thing he did. Don't twist it to be a bad thing. That's just dumb.
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Post by sapientcoffee on Jul 29, 2015 7:24:47 GMT
I'd like to mention that the community here has unanimously formed a hate mob for Tony... Uh, no. A sizable group, but by no means unanimous. I think the only thing I've seen posters agree on is that he's been a terrible dad. |
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Post by aline on Jul 29, 2015 7:25:11 GMT
There is quite the gulf between how he chooses to deal with Donny alone and how he chooses to deal with everyone else (including his daughter). Especially with his daughter. Note that up until now we mainly saw him interracting with, or around Annie. There's a huge issue in his relationship with his daughter, that much is for sure. And Donald seems to think so too, or he wouldn't let Annie spy on her own father like that. |
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Post by edzepp on Jul 29, 2015 7:27:19 GMT
I'd like to mention that the community here has unanimously formed a hate mob for Tony, and even if he shows redeemable qualities in the future, he'll likely remain a hated character. But I want to remind folks: If he does a good thing, praise the good thing he did. Don't twist it to be a bad thing. That's just dumb. Eh, you can't really control how people choose to feel. People elsewhere aren't really enamoured with him either. In this case, it's clearly a humanizing moment and I understand the point, but I wouldn't say that this is an unqualified good thing when you compare it to the way he behaves around Annie. People have a right to have qualms about that gulf. |
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Post by Nepycros on Jul 29, 2015 7:30:51 GMT
I'd like to mention that the community here has unanimously formed a hate mob for Tony, and even if he shows redeemable qualities in the future, he'll likely remain a hated character. But I want to remind folks: If he does a good thing, praise the good thing he did. Don't twist it to be a bad thing. That's just dumb. Eh, you can't really control how people choose to feel. People elsewhere aren't really enamoured with him either. In this case, it's clearly a humanizing moment and I understand the point, but I wouldn't say that this is an unqualified good thing when you compare it to the way he behaves around Annie. People have a right to have qualms about that gulf. I have seen a clear-cut example of a good, social aspect of Tony's behavior in the last few pages being called childish. Had any other character said it, it's likely that's not the response the poster would have given. Tony can be, and has been unfairly targeted for adequate behavior, only to be vilified further when the situation doesn't call for it. I wanna nip that in the bud. |
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Post by Gotolei on Jul 29, 2015 7:32:32 GMT
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Post by scottjm on Jul 29, 2015 7:34:02 GMT
I am more taken with tony admitting his hand is NOT why he returned.
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Post by Refugee on Jul 29, 2015 7:34:53 GMT
So, for the folks who've been wondering why Tony's face looked so odd...
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I am very pleased to see Tony "humanized".
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Post by Refugee on Jul 29, 2015 7:37:50 GMT
I can't believe that the Court doesn't have better artificial limbs.
Gosh, if only somebody were working on artificial muscles, say, and the circuitry necessary to control them.
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Post by edzepp on Jul 29, 2015 7:38:59 GMT
Eh, you can't really control how people choose to feel. People elsewhere aren't really enamoured with him either. In this case, it's clearly a humanizing moment and I understand the point, but I wouldn't say that this is an unqualified good thing when you compare it to the way he behaves around Annie. People have a right to have qualms about that gulf. I have seen a clear-cut example of a good, social aspect of Tony's behavior in the last few pages being called childish. Had any other character said it, it's likely that's not the response the poster would have given. Tony can be, and has been unfairly targeted for adequate behavior, only to be vilified further when the situation doesn't call for it. I wanna nip that in the bud. Fair. I'm not here to start anything. I want to see how this goes without excessive judgement. I will say that people are probably cooling down about it and are more willing to deal on a case to case basis than a few months ago. |
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Post by edzepp on Jul 29, 2015 7:39:27 GMT
I do wonder what the fire feels about all this.
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Post by Fishy on Jul 29, 2015 7:40:58 GMT
The whole human thing looks good on you, Tony. Wanna show some more of those emotions around Annie?
In all seriousness, Tony still seems a bit distant. No doubt this is a good step in terms of showing he is very much human, but at the same time he doesn't seem to catch that Donny's not sharing his mood. But hey, in your own time, Tony.
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Post by edzepp on Jul 29, 2015 7:42:56 GMT
The whole human thing looks good on you, Tony. Wanna show some more of those emotions around Annie? In all seriousness, Tony still seems a bit distant. No doubt this is a good step in terms of showing he is very much human, but at the same time he doesn't seem to catch that Donny's not sharing his mood. But hey, in your own time, Tony. I do wonder whether he'll shut down or open up more if Donny forces the issue again. |
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 29, 2015 7:43:20 GMT
Eh, you can't really control how people choose to feel. People elsewhere aren't really enamoured with him either. In this case, it's clearly a humanizing moment and I understand the point, but I wouldn't say that this is an unqualified good thing when you compare it to the way he behaves around Annie. People have a right to have qualms about that gulf. I have seen a clear-cut example of a good, social aspect of Tony's behavior in the last few pages being called childish. Had any other character said it, it's likely that's not the response the poster would have given. Yes, because context. It's not the more human behavior that's bothering people or making them more angry at Tony, it's the fact that he doesn't act that way around Annie. That his callousness towards her was not because he didn't know how or was unable to behave any differently, but because he chose not to. That is completely awful, and makes many see him as more deserving of scorn than when we thought he could only act like a badly made robot. |
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Post by philman on Jul 29, 2015 7:45:31 GMT
He can smile?!
I am kind of glad Tony is being humanised in this way. It shows he is not just some big terrible monster, and reassures me a little that there must be some sort of reasoning for what he is doing. If he can be human around Donny he can think and behave like a normal person. This just shows that there must be SOME reason for his actions, however misguided there are. And I still find it difficult to believe that there is any reason that justifies the way he is treating Annie.
I assume Donny is going to try and find out what that is and then try and convince Tony they are wrong, or at least he is going about it the wrong way. I don't think Donny will be successful, but we can at least see SOME sort of human underneath all that. And shows that there maybe some resolution in the future that is not necessarily horrible.
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Post by Nepycros on Jul 29, 2015 7:47:50 GMT
I have seen a clear-cut example of a good, social aspect of Tony's behavior in the last few pages being called childish. Had any other character said it, it's likely that's not the response the poster would have given. Yes, because context. It's not the more human behavior that's bothering people or making them more angry at Tony, it's the fact that he doesn't act that way around Annie. That his callousness towards her was not because he didn't know how or was unable to behave any differently, but because he chose not to. That is completely awful, and makes many see him as more deserving of scorn than when we thought he could only act like a badly made robot. The validity of that statement has no bearing on what I said. Being called childish exclusively as an attempt to vilify a character when such behavior wouldn't be disparaged from any other character is discriminatory and leads to unsavory attitudes among readers. Take an objective look at what is good and bad about characters, and don't twist actions or words away from what they would be if another character said it lightheartedly. |
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Post by Reynaerde on Jul 29, 2015 7:53:00 GMT
How does Tom do it?
In just a few pages, he's humanizing Tony, the most hated character in GC.
He did it before with Ysengrin.
I don't know what to think anymore
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Post by sherni on Jul 29, 2015 7:54:02 GMT
He smiled.
Better check outside. Or flip a coin or something. We might be in the Twilight Zone.
So a nice big smile for Donald, but not even a tiny one for his daughter? Talk about miserly. That arm does look awful, though. And as aquamafia pointed out, burned as well. What was he doing that got him in this state? Let's hope he's willing to discuss it with Donald.
I want to feel sorry for him, I really do. It's obvious he's been though an ordeal. But his unwarranted harshness towards his teenage daughter makes it very difficult to sympathise with him, all the more so if his injury was a consequence of his actions in 'Divine'. His interaction with Donald today is very reminiscent of the friendship their daughters share. It should be making me smile, but it just serves to contrast the way he behaves towards Annie. What has she done that is so terrible in his eyes that he can't spare even a iota of that affection for her?
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