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Post by artezzatrigger on Apr 27, 2015 14:13:24 GMT
...And now the shattered heart must set about picking up the pieces where they fell.
My only major criticism for this chapter is the way Renard was handled. No on-screen participation from him in the conflict and how quickly the subject changed after Kat's disgusted reaction made the whole deal with him feel a lot more minor than it actually is.
At the same time, though, I'm relieved this chapter is over. Three pages a week for an event like this is excruciating. Now we can begin to see the after-effects of it, which is where the real meat of this chapter will be produced.
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Post by htown on Apr 27, 2015 14:17:31 GMT
Wh... Wh... How did that have anything to do with the tree?? Like in the title? I love you Tom but damn Just Depressing.
Edit: oh wait is it some sort of metaphor? Like tony is the tree and Annie is the apple and the apple doesn't fall far from the tree? Yeah... Aww cause I was expecting Annie and cat to revisit the artificial tree biome place again this chapter...
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 27, 2015 14:17:42 GMT
Maybe, the bonus page will enlighten. Or it will be the Joey and Chandler bots grieving over the loss of their new roommate. Could I be any more devastated? Friends Don't Let Friends Get Friends Haircuts. I hope that Mr. Carver isn't too attached to the idea of sitting down. I have a feeling just about every conceivable surface will soon be copiously tack'd with the intent of wreaking wrath on his backside. They are out of that age. Yup. I think the comments about people disliking the comic because of this chapter are misplaced. It's hard to take these seriously. Do they think we're goldfish?
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Post by kelantar on Apr 27, 2015 14:21:44 GMT
Oh man, never before has that chapter end symbol felt like such a punch in the gut.
I do want to make a quick statement about how I feel about the comic and the responses to it. This chapter has been SUPER emotionally draining. Several times I have considered sitting back for a few months and letting the pages pile up and reading them all at once. [Some] People keep saying that this chapter has been "drawn out," but at 21 pages (including the title page) it's one of the shorter chapters in the comic. Because of the whole three pages a week thing, what could take us a few minutes to read has been drawn out over three months. At earlier points in this chapter, my anger towards Anthony has only been matched previously by one other fictional character, Dolores Umbridge. Because the whole thing was contained in one book, which was all in my hands at the time, I could read from her introduction to that part where I hated her more than anything to the point where she got her comeuppance in one sitting. Now imagine, if you will, that Umbridge had not been dealt with at the end of Book 5 and was going to return, in the same position of power, in Book 6. I would have been waiting for over TWO YEARS to find out how that bitch got hers. Alternately, what if the book had been released a chapter every two months (after all, this was a chapter that took the better part of two months)? At that pace, Book 5 ALONE would have taken over SIX YEARS. And so many people would be scrambling for the next chapter, only to find out that everything got MORE horrible, waiting for that one chapter where finally everything would be okay again. What I'm saying is that because of the format of this comic, we are going to be unsatisfied sometimes, because not every page can be happy-go-lucky. Somewhere down the road, someone will pick up the Complete Gunnerkrigg Box Set (Machine Goddess Kat Edition) and whip through this chapter and not put the book(s) down until this Anthony situation is resolved. And to them it won't be poorly paced at all. Tom said in the comment on this page that this moment has been a long time coming. So clearly it's been planned out, and clearly he's going somewhere with it. So we can either stop reading, wait 'til it's done, and get it all in one sitting, or we can accept that we're reading a webcomic that's published Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and deal with the frustration that comes with that format.
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Post by TheClockworkCoyote on Apr 27, 2015 14:38:39 GMT
I hope that Mr. Carver isn't too attached to the idea of sitting down. I have a feeling just about every conceivable surface will soon be copiously tack'd with the intent of wreaking wrath on his backside. They are out of that age. They are now at, or nearing the age, where pranks may involve any of the following: Release of greased pigs within the school (for added fun, paint the numbers 1, 2, and 4 on the pigs. Let the faculty worry about why they can't find one numbered 3.) Theft and replacement of other schools' flags (bonus points for greasing the other school's flagpole and cutting the lines after running up your flag) Theft and replacement around the school grounds of various items from the surrounding region Theft and replacement atop a school building of farmers' outhouses and/or teachers' personal vehicles. Theft of another school's cheerleaders (it's not kidnapping if they got on the bus willingly. ...even if the bus driver only discovered this halfway back and now is pissed off at having to turn around to return them) Spraypaint. Lots of spraypaint. Partial flooding of a classroom so that live fish can be placed in it ....these were all actual pranks performed by my high school class, or those of my friends and family.
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Post by joephlommin on Apr 27, 2015 14:43:42 GMT
Oh man, never before has that chapter end symbol felt like such a punch in the gut. I do want to make a quick statement about how I feel about the comic and the responses to it. This chapter has been SUPER emotionally draining. Several times I have considered sitting back for a few months and letting the pages pile up and reading them all at once. [Some] People keep saying that this chapter has been "drawn out," but at 21 pages (including the title page) it's one of the shorter chapters in the comic. Because of the whole three pages a week thing, what could take us a few minutes to read has been drawn out over three months. At earlier points in this chapter, my anger towards Anthony has only been matched previously by one other fictional character, Dolores Umbridge. Because the whole thing was contained in one book, which was all in my hands at the time, I could read from her introduction to that part where I hated her more than anything to the point where she got her comeuppance in one sitting. Now imagine, if you will, that Umbridge had not been dealt with at the end of Book 5 and was going to return, in the same position of power, in Book 6. I would have been waiting for over TWO YEARS to find out how that bitch got hers. Alternately, what if the book had been released a chapter every two months (after all, this was a chapter that took the better part of two months)? At that pace, Book 5 ALONE would have taken over SIX YEARS. And so many people would be scrambling for the next chapter, only to find out that everything got MORE horrible, waiting for that one chapter where finally everything would be okay again. What I'm saying is that because of the format of this comic, we are going to be unsatisfied sometimes, because not every page can be happy-go-lucky. Somewhere down the road, someone will pick up the Complete Gunnerkrigg Box Set (Machine Goddess Kat Edition) and whip through this chapter and not put the book(s) down until this Anthony situation is resolved. And to them it won't be poorly paced at all. Tom said in the comment on this page that this moment has been a long time coming. So clearly it's been planned out, and clearly he's going somewhere with it. So we can either stop reading, wait 'til it's done, and get it all in one sitting, or we can accept that we're reading a webcomic that's published Monday, Wednesday, and Friday, and deal with the frustration that comes with that format. This is very true. A lot of the comic is better when read all at once as opposed to one page every two days. I thought that Kats conversation with Annie at the end of the chapter was contrived as to avoid all possible answers to questions. But upon rereading the chapter it feels much more natural. Still wish we knew what the hell is going to happen to Renard.
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Post by autumn on Apr 27, 2015 15:52:13 GMT
I, too, am on the "disappointed with Gunnerkrigg Court" train and no longer enjoy it, and it's more than "Oh no, the comic made a sad!". The problem I have with the way this is being handled is the combination of subject and format. Parental abuse is a horrible, horrible thing that hits far too close to home. Combined with the story being in the form of a webcomic that updates relatively slowly, this creates an awful negative tension. For months I just get to watch someone be a victim of parental abuse with no resolution. With consideration for the format Tom could have at least given Annie *something* to work with to make this more bearable, but her will has been completely crushed and she's losing Reynardine. It's all too close to reality and being close to reality is really bad when the subject is parental abuse.
Parental abuse just ruins lives and it's actually painful to watch my favorite webcomic spend months with parental abuse dominating the main character. If GK were, say, a book, it would be better because one could get resolution to the parental abuse relatively quickly - as it is, this is the wrong kind of negative emotion to be eliciting for months, and I actively dislike reading the comic now.
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Post by Miri on Apr 27, 2015 16:03:25 GMT
I don't think the disappointment here is "trying to convince the author to write something we like," it's just...feedback. This is a space where we can express our discomfort with the direction the story is taking, and everyone knows that Mr. Siddell is under no obligation to appease us. We can just talk about it--and, if our reactions aren't what Tom wanted or expected, he can always adjust. I've been reading "live" since this page, and this is the most worried I've ever been. If next chapter doesn't start with Reynardine's response to this tomfoolery, or at least include the reactions of other members of the main cast who really SHOULD have a say here, I'm going to be even more worried. I've trusted Tom with this story for a long, long, long time, but this has me really concerned. This seems like a massive departure from the storytelling style I enjoyed when I started the comic, and he'll either bring it back around or he won't.
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 27, 2015 16:07:04 GMT
This page, to me, is a masterpiece. Not a happy masterpiece, but a masterpiece nonetheless. It so clearly sums up what Annie has gained in the last thousand pages, and thus shows how much she has to lose. All of the other students care for her, and I suspect we may see them be hostile to Tony in the future. The inclusion of the H-Model robot calls to mind the earlier happier moments with Kat and Annie (and also Red). And it was done without dialog, to hit the readers even harder.
I'm very sad after this chapter, and I will admit it lessens my enjoyment of the comic at the moment. But contrary to many comments I have seen, this attests to Tom's strength as a writer, and I plan to continue reading (mostly because I'm addicted). And now we will see what Annie is in the dark.
I still hate Anthony though, for the reasons I have given earlier, and I will be quite content when he gets his just recompense.
(Though I am confused by Tom's lack of focus on Rey. That should have been addressed more fully, though I assume Tom will cover that in another chapter soon.)
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Post by arzeik on Apr 27, 2015 16:18:38 GMT
Maybe Kat is being mind controlled, hence her calming down so much when Annie nearly cracked - those mind rays were affecting both of them I jest, I jest. Perhaps it's an area-of-effect mind-control spell. Upon further improvement, Anthony will soon be able to cast it in a room full of students, gaining that way what will be the base of a future zombie army. Indeed, he has already practiced with the headmaster, but that one turned out too pale even for a zombie. Annie and Kat cases, on the other hand, were a big success, for the only side effects were hair-shortening and lack of fashion sense in the first individual. Later on, we will discover that Gunnerkrigg Court was nothing but a prequel of The Walking Dead.
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Post by nero on Apr 27, 2015 16:22:12 GMT
I stopped believing this was a dream when I saw Renard. I look forward to seeing how this is resolved.
I think the students stopped by to see Annie because they knew something was wrong when she didn't show up for her classes. I'm glad they showed how worried they were especially when they saw her haircut.
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Post by atteSmythe on Apr 27, 2015 17:19:59 GMT
I am sad for Annie. I'm frustrated by Tony. I'm anxious about the future.
None of this has decreased my enjoyment of the comic one whit, and I have complete confidence in Tom's ability to craft a real, touching, heartfelt, meaningful story from this.
...this is really more meant for Tom than as meaningful conversation among readers. In this instance, though, I feel that there is value in posting what I otherwise would have left unsaid as a 'me too' copy of other posters' sentiments.
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Apr 27, 2015 17:31:52 GMT
For what little it is worth....
The chapters are usually longer, so Tom appears to be intentionally inserting narrative pause before proceeding. I think it increases the impact of this chapter and lets the reader know that Annie's situation is not going to resolved quickly.
I assume the next chapter will continue exploring some part of Annie's predicament, maybe Kat using the Bots to investigate what is going on. I really don't see the adullts stepping in to save the day and maybe that will be the start of Kat's one-girl crusade. I can't see the next chapter being a completely unrelated topic because it would be too jarring. The readers will be focusd on Annie even if she isn't in the chapter.
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Post by Sadie on Apr 27, 2015 17:47:08 GMT
Heavy hitting chapter all the way around! I can't really blame anyone for wanting to back out of the comic. It is a pretty big tonal shift, even more than "Fire Spike". I love it, in it's all ambiguous, depressing, character-challenging glory, but it is a shift. Back into speculation territory - since there's been thoughts about where "The Tree" from the title page comes in, there's always this: The tree is isolated to remove all contamination.
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Post by guyy on Apr 27, 2015 18:00:26 GMT
I, too, am on the "disappointed with Gunnerkrigg Court" train and no longer enjoy it, and it's more than "Oh no, the comic made a sad!". I don't think this has anything to do with it being sad. Unhappy or tragic events are a perfectly fine and often necessary part of storytelling, and we've had our share of those: Mort passing on, Surma and Jeanne's backstories, all the weirdness that goes on with Zimmy. But this... I don't even know what this is. Out of nowhere, we've arbitrarily lost everything, and it's unclear whether things will recover or if we're just starting all over. It just feels like "That's a nice several years of character and story development you've got there... Yoink!" I'm sure Tom has a good reason for doing this, but for the first time since I started reading, I have absolutely no clue where the story could possibly be heading. Maybe Jones will go punch Anthony in the face and all of this will be undone. Or maybe nothing will happen and Annie will have to grow as a person all over again. Nothing I can think of would improve the situation and make all this backtracking feel worthwhile... I can't think of any parallel to this. Someone mentioned Dolores Umbridge, but all she did was attempt to prohibit fun and give Harry another scar; and she didn't commit her acts of jerkitude at once, they were broken up over a long book full of comic relief and plans to fight back against her. That's almost laughable compared to Anthony's "Go back a year, do nothing but study, move away from all your friends, quit the job you've been preparing for your whole life, also your sentient dog is mine now. Why? Because we were too lazy to address your cheating when it started, that's why." I thought I'd feel like I need to keep reading more than ever to see how this is resolved. But I've lost confidence that it can be resolved, and it's certainly not going to be fixed in the next few pages. That's why I feel like I need a break from the comic.
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Post by Gulby on Apr 27, 2015 18:15:23 GMT
Sorry, for once, I didn't read all the topic (and it was just 3 pages but I'm in a rush right now) so I don't know if someone else said it already, but I want to call it now : next page (bonus' one), we'll see Anthony struggling to keep the tears inside, with flashbacks of Surma and little Annie, and then, he put THE MASK ON. Last frame, good ol'emotionless Tony with severe eyebrows.
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Post by Refugee on Apr 27, 2015 19:35:27 GMT
@tom: Brilliant, brilliant chapter. I didn't expect the break, but of course it's in exactly the right place. The blow has been struck, now we see the aftermath and the recovery. Out of nowhere, we've arbitrarily lost everything, and it's unclear whether things will recover or if we're just starting all over. It just feels like "That's a nice several years of character and story development you've got there... Yoink!" This seems to be a popular sentiment, which I do not share.
I've re-read the entire story several times while grappling with this chapter, and it crystal clear that Tom has been building to this from the very start. Two main themes come out again and again:
First, Annie sees beings of frightening power and aspect, but always treats them with respect and kindness, and usually ends by turning them into allies.
Second, Annie and the other students of the Court tend to be somewhat disrespectful of authority, willing and able to evade it when they want to. And in general, the Court tends to work around this, almost as if these little independence-building excursions were, in the end, treated as if they were part of the curriculum.
Almost as if Annie has been trained to be able to recover from this blow and make it a triumph.
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I still withhold judgment on Anthony. Why? Not because he's a great guy who can do no wrong. Not because Annie's a miserable cheater who deserves everything she got. Certainly not because mundane British law says he's a abusive parent and needs to have his daughter taken away from him.
But because the only judgment that matters is Annie's. She is the one who must decide how to cope with this, and how she and her Father will get along in the future.
Kat has made three great gestures here: She has confirmed her friendship with Annie. She has left the walkie-talkie as a symbol of that friendship. And she is accompanying Annie to her new room.
Most of all is what she did NOT do: she suppressed her own sense of outrage, and her own desire to see Anthony put down, and focused on her friend Annie, helping Annie cope with her loss and pain, so that she could smile again, come down from her panic and shock, and decide for herself what she needs to do.
No imposed solution offers Annie the position to rebuild herself. Any imposed solution continues to chip away at Annie's self-agency and her independence.
No imposed solution offers Annie the opportunity to heal her Father's pain, or even simple forgiveness.
Only this, shattering Annie's various masks, and leaving her free to find her own solutions and her own path, can possibly allow her to regain her self respect.
Again I say, Tom: Brilliant, beautiful story.
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Post by fish on Apr 27, 2015 19:46:23 GMT
Sorry, for once, I didn't read all the topic (and it was just 3 pages but I'm in a rush right now) so I don't know if someone else said it already, but I want to call it now : next page (bonus' one), we'll see Anthony struggling to keep the tears inside, with flashbacks of Surma and little Annie, and then, he put THE MASK ON. Last frame, good ol'emotionless Tony with severe eyebrows. Nope. Nope. Stop. This chapter better have one heck of a Mort Fun Time as the bonus! D: Or something tree-related...
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Post by stef1987 on Apr 27, 2015 20:02:35 GMT
next page: Psych! April Fools chapter! None of it was real!
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Post by Refugee on Apr 27, 2015 20:04:34 GMT
Or something tree-related... Mechanized yellow jackets swarming a half-rotted apple lying on the ground.
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Post by jocobo on Apr 27, 2015 20:21:21 GMT
I think some of the chracterization of frustration as being becuase the subject is "too sad" to be inaccurate. It is in my case at least. I am frustrated, but not becuase the subject is too tender, so much as the inherit limitations of the webcomic genre become very apparent when suspensful things like this occur. IF this was a book it'd be the kind of moment that makes you read faster. IF it were a tv show, you'd only be waiting on the endge of your seat for a week untilt he next episode and then find out the resolution. But becuase it's a webcomic, when suspense gets ramped up, it can be rather emotionally exhuasting. From the first page till the last one, it's been a roller coaster. That's quite a long time to wait with bated breath.
So I definitly understand the need to distance yourself from the comic and then return in a month or 2 so you can binge and reach a conclusion.
Personally, I had already come to the conclusion this chapter would ave a downer ending, so I've braced myself. I will say if the bonus page is anything BUT, Kat sneaking Reynardine underneath some kind of invisibility cloak device and rescuing him, I will scream. At this point the heart of my focus is on him. I'm begining to think there's just no helping Annie right now. It's exceedingly difficult to help those who refuse to help themselves. Reynardine can still be saved though.....I hope.
That said, I still think this capter was incredibly well-done. I'll probably read it again once we have some distance from it and I can better appreciate it.
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Post by mglvna on Apr 27, 2015 20:44:50 GMT
Does anyone else think this page places an interesting emphasis on Willie and Janet? If I recall correctly the first page where Tony appeared also showcased their reactions quite prominently. This is probably just for the sake of comparison, since Willie started out as a bully, but I can't help but think that if ANYONE was capable of making a semester hell for a teacher, it's probably those two, considering their personalities.
Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I don't think Tony is going to have a very easy time teaching his new biology course. Even the strictest teachers can't do much to change a classroom attitude of widespread disrespect, and he can't give EVERYONE detention, can he? (Well, he probably can. But detention is so much more fun with friends around.)
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Post by keef on Apr 27, 2015 21:02:16 GMT
This page, to me, is a masterpiece. Absolutely. I first thought he slightly changed his way of drawing/use of colour. I'm hopeless at art, but when I saw the page on a "real screen" instead of my telephone it looked odd. Beautiful but odd. On second view it's just a few details. The little group, I can't remember he did something like that before. Beautiful. 2&3 sharp detail and fuzzy background. Again beautiful. No explanation needed. The whole thing together is a masterpiece. Unrelated; to see my favourite robot in such a sad page, makes it almost to much.
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Post by Vilthuril on Apr 27, 2015 22:34:22 GMT
Welcome. Powerful and personal first post.
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Post by Vilthuril on Apr 27, 2015 22:43:12 GMT
My only criticism of the chapter might be the chipper, "ain't everything just wonderful and what Anthony's doing so very stupendous and reasonable," comments Tom put below many of the instalments, either intentionally or unintentionally baiting people even further into an anger against Anthony that for some reason - from Tom's other comments/rants elsewhere such as twitter - he apparently then objected to...well, unless those rants were also just part of some intentional baiting-as-art. It makes me somewhat doubt, frankly, how deeply and long "we" [Meaning himself and the little robot mouse in his pocket? Anyone know who the other part of "we" might be, since it obviously isn't the readers?] thought out this chapter and its role in the story, or at least his relationship with the readers that he suddenly claims on the last page to value, after having earlier and elsewhere rather literally told everyone to shut up, admire his artistry, and take their deleted personal growth medicine. Consider that these down-below comments, like several other parts of the online comic, do not appear in the eventual book versions and so are seen only by those who read online - and among those only the ones who scroll down to them. It actually took me a while to notice them, and then a while longer to remember to look for them. So...an intrinsic part of the story/experience or not? Just something to tweak the noses of/"enhance" the experience for the particularly involved among the original audience? Hmmmm. Otherwise, I'm glad that Antimony is not so far gone that she cannot - for example - agree to hiding the walkie-talkies from her father, and that she has The Amazing and Fantastic Kat as a friend. Good representation too, in the cartoon itself, of the dynamics of these abusive situations and the way(s) people respond to them. --------------- Edit: As for what is meant by the tree reference, my personal feelingguess - not necessarily according with anything else in the comic or the universe or based on any logic - is that it involves the universal tree/tree of life somehow, or something similar in the sense of many things/everything (in a world, the story, a family...) being connected and growing out of one root. FWIW.
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Post by Vilthuril on Apr 27, 2015 23:25:58 GMT
And thus, one of the most (if not the most) touching and heartbreaking chapters so far comes to an end. I have to say that it's been really sad at times and I reckon that some people might have had a hard time reading it. But it has also been hurtfully beautiful, and it has been able to rouse emotions in a degree I didn't think a comic could (or wouldn't, if I hadn't read the former 50 chapters). So I cannot wait for what comes next, whatever it is. That said, it kind of amuses me how some people continue to complain about the direction the story is taking. Of course, to each their own. But I cannot help but think that this is not how reading works. You like it or not, you enjoy it or not, it makes you sad, angry and occasionally depressed or not. But trying to convince or influence the author to write something closer to our likings, something that makes us uninterruptedly happy, is in my opinion plain childish. It's because they've been in denial all along (mind control! it's a dream!). This is definitely my favourite chapter so far. Life isn't always happy. Ah, more people who have an absolute understanding of What Art Is and sneer at anyone who does not See the Truth. And after all, nothing will win people over like abusing them as childish, in denial, and just all around stupid for doing anything here on the real-time-immediate forum the author arranged so that people could follow the page by page, online updating of the story like, say, giving immediate feedback to said author on how they felt about that story and what they would like to see - other than uniformly positive/gushing feedback. Be it said, by some indications you may be completely in accord with the author himself on that...in which case, well, good luck to him! Ah well, more nasties for the blocked list. (Myself, I have no expectation of 'winning over' people who think they Know it All.) And no, not because they disagree with my view of Art (if any!? *ponder*) or of the story at hand - lots of others see it differently than I do, and that's good!
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Post by Shire on Apr 27, 2015 23:49:44 GMT
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Post by Lewis Ransom on Apr 27, 2015 23:58:01 GMT
What a crushing installment. The scene looks almost like a funeral procession, what with the carriage and the silent crowd of mourners.
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Post by todd on Apr 28, 2015 0:14:57 GMT
I don't understand why everybody thinks just because Annie's repeating a year and moving out means the comic is sort of...over. It's not like we can't go back and forth between wherever Annie ends up and the year 10 dorms, and it isn't like we didn't have a compelling comic before Annie started going to the woods, or before she met Kat or Reynardine. I'm pretty sure the comic can continue on, even under these crappy circumstances. Besides, depending on how things work out with Anthony, I'm not sure how long this is going to last. A good while sure, but it doesn't feel permanent to me at all. I could be wrong about that, but it's a feeling I've got. The difference is that Annie then a) didn't have her father watching over her, making certain that she'd spend all her time studying to make up for all that cheating and b) wasn't sunk into a passive, submissive gloom. I think that Anthony's going to make it clear that there will be no more adventures for Antimony (as part of the distractions that he's getting rid of) and has the means to enforce it (I doubt that his security measures will be as weak as those that the Court employs). And in her present state, if Annie noticed she'd sprouted an extra shadow or something like that, she'd hardly be in the emotional condition to try communicating with it.
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Post by ctso74 on Apr 28, 2015 0:47:38 GMT
(Though I am confused by Tom's lack of focus on Rey. That should have been addressed more fully, though I assume Tom will cover that in another chapter soon.) It's possible that Annie's been talking with him ethericly, or will. Sort of like their own walkie-talkie. Though, I would have wanted to see that. Not so much, as to see how Annie's hair looks now, but for a chance to see the esteemed Mr Carver in the Ether. I so desperately want to see that. Sorry, for once, I didn't read all the topic (and it was just 3 pages but I'm in a rush right now) so I don't know if someone else said it already, but I want to call it now : next page (bonus' one), we'll see Anthony struggling to keep the tears inside, with flashbacks of Surma and little Annie, and then, he put THE MASK ON. Last frame, good ol'emotionless Tony with severe eyebrows. Nope. Nope. Stop. This chapter better have one heck of a Mort Fun Time as the bonus! D: Or something tree-related... A tree that's juggling apples! Now, it makes sense. Or an alcoholic tree... crying... while trying to start a chainsaw. You know, either or.
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