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Post by todd on Apr 16, 2015 0:05:31 GMT
Maybe, though Tom could always do Gilltie Wood chapters from the perspective of Smith and Parley and not bring Annie in at all. Maybe short term but not long term. Annie's story is all about the barrier between the forest and the court. She'll be back there. For now though, the story will very likely be court centered for a while. There are still many mysteries to uncover there. I certainly think that undoing Anthony's rules is still not going to be easy - and doubt that Tom's going to conveniently reverse them by the end of the chapter (even if it would make doing further chapters easier). I don't think everything will be undone righ away. I also don't think that the rest of the story will unfold in the way Anthony hopes (whatever that is). Instead, something different and unexpected will happen and Tom will take us in new places to uncover yet other parts of the truth. I've the feeling that Annie's not going to have much opportunity to explore even the Court's mysteries at present (and seeing the way she's been acting in the past few pages, I doubt she'll even have the inclination to do so for quite some time). |
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Post by youwiththeface on Apr 16, 2015 0:08:39 GMT
See, this is why I don't buy the idea that Anthony's actions were commendable because he was coming down hard on Annie's cheating.
You know what often makes kids afraid to ask admit to a weakness and ask for help? Judgmental, perfectionist parents. Ironically, Anthony's solution is what caused the problem in the first place. You can bet that if Annie went to Anthony for help with school she'd be ridiculed for it, the same way he ridiculed her makeup and job as forest medium. Better to cheat and hide it. Wouldn't want Kat to leave like her father did. =Tony is bad man. I don't know what is more annoying, the triumphant tone or the endless repeating of the same message. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you really don't like Mr Carver? You wrote about almost nothing else on this forum. I'm getting repetitive too: It is obvious the guy is not the greatest dad in the world, so damn obvious I would say everybody knows by now. Please stop kicking that same dead rotting corpse of a horse. I don't read a triumphant tone in there, personally. Also I wouldn't say it's so damn obvious everybody knows by now, since up until we cut away from him people were saying he wasn't or were defending him and may do so again when he shows back up. |
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Post by Kitty Hamilton on Apr 16, 2015 1:16:27 GMT
See, this is why I don't buy the idea that Anthony's actions were commendable because he was coming down hard on Annie's cheating.
You know what often makes kids afraid to ask admit to a weakness and ask for help? Judgmental, perfectionist parents. Ironically, Anthony's solution is what caused the problem in the first place. You can bet that if Annie went to Anthony for help with school she'd be ridiculed for it, the same way he ridiculed her makeup and job as forest medium. Better to cheat and hide it. Wouldn't want Kat to leave like her father did. =Tony is bad man. I don't know what is more annoying, the triumphant tone or the endless repeating of the same message. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you really don't like Mr Carver? You wrote about almost nothing else on this forum. I'm getting repetitive too: It is obvious the guy is not the greatest dad in the world, so damn obvious I would say everybody knows by now. Please stop kicking that same dead rotting corpse of a horse. This is the best comic on the internet, I must have read it a hundred times by now, and I still find new little gems in it. This forum until now worked perfectly without an active moderator, because people joined for the comic and nothing else. I hope it stays that way. I'll talk about whatever I want, thank you very much. |
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Post by arf on Apr 16, 2015 2:33:25 GMT
People mentionned the blue dress having appeared in chapter 15, so I went back to read it. It's interesting because it's Annie's first summer at the Court, and she stays there alone. The moment the other students leave (end of chapter 14), she removes her make up and her shoes. Later, we see her running around in the corridors in that blue dress, again with bare feet and no make up. She comments of how similar GC feels to her previous home, Good Hope. She seems at ease then, happy and comfortable. Both shoes and make up show up again when Kat comes back (and not before). It kinda confirms the link between those looks and her younger self / pre-GC life. Something else: Annie never mentionned what that make up means to her (she avoids the question when Kat asks). I don't think she wears it just because it's her mom's. It's also a shield of sorts. Maybe we'll learn a little about that. She spent that first summer awaiting news of her Father (unaware that she would not hear from him for over two years). I think, now, that she took her make-up off in anticipation of seeing him. Looking back, it went back on when Kat returned. (edit: I'll also say that, in retrospect, it's pretty obvious that Tom has had this current situation in mind for a lo-ong time.) |
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Post by calpal on Apr 16, 2015 2:49:07 GMT
... I truly and honestly thought that Kat's reaction to Annie cheating off her for the past few years would've been a lot more along the lines of "fu- rea- seriously, Annie?!" instead of "Why didn't you let me help you?!"
Perhaps that's just how I would imagine reacting myself if I were in Kat's shoes...
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Post by arf on Apr 16, 2015 3:06:06 GMT
... I truly and honestly thought that Kat's reaction to Annie cheating off her for the past few years would've been a lot more along the lines of "fu- rea- seriously, Annie?!" instead of "Why didn't you let me help you?!" Perhaps that's just how I would imagine reacting myself if I were in Kat's shoes... Well, that aspect of things is really no skin off Kat's nose. (although when it hits that her bestie's got to move out...) As an amusing aside, I just re-read this page. What are friends for, anyway!? |
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Post by ed1300 on Apr 16, 2015 3:44:58 GMT
... I truly and honestly thought that Kat's reaction to Annie cheating off her for the past few years would've been a lot more along the lines of "fu- rea- seriously, Annie?!" instead of "Why didn't you let me help you?!" Perhaps that's just how I would imagine reacting myself if I were in Kat's shoes... Annie was Kat's first real friend that was her own age, that would cut a lot of slack even without the severe emotional turmoil Kat witnessed when Annie finally saw her father again. |
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Post by zaferion on Apr 16, 2015 4:32:17 GMT
I read these last two pages together because I missed Mondays update, and I am totally not wiping tears off my face.
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Post by Daedalus on Apr 16, 2015 5:45:46 GMT
... I truly and honestly thought that Kat's reaction to Annie cheating off her for the past few years would've been a lot more along the lines of "fu- rea- seriously, Annie?!" instead of "Why didn't you let me help you?!" Perhaps that's just how I would imagine reacting myself if I were in Kat's shoes... I think I would have fallen somewhere in-between, personally. This sort of thing has happened to me before (though not in this exact context), and the result was that when they asked to cheat off of me, I offered to tutor them instead. But I'm thankful Kat didn't react angrily to this, if only because Annie really, really doesn't need more emotional pain right now. There's always time for that later, once the situation with Anthony is resolved. |
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Post by quark on Apr 16, 2015 12:17:14 GMT
... I truly and honestly thought that Kat's reaction to Annie cheating off her for the past few years would've been a lot more along the lines of "fu- rea- seriously, Annie?!" instead of "Why didn't you let me help you?!" Perhaps that's just how I would imagine reacting myself if I were in Kat's shoes... I don't know, it's just schoolwork. It's not some invention or academic discovery, it's just homework. In Kat's shoes, I'd be sad that Annie would go behind her back, but why be angry? It's not as if it's important or hurt Kat in any way. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Apr 16, 2015 16:50:08 GMT
Kat is the most awesome friend ever! Their relationship reminds me a lot of Anja and Surma at about that age or a little older. Surma was more open with her feelings than Annie, we know that, and it must have helped her. She admits freely that she is "two planks short" compared to Anja, but Anja ain't having none of that, she comes right back and turns it around into "You and me are smart on different things. When we work together we are unstoppable". That just puts a big grin on my face. Anja and Kat both really know how to be great friends. And Annie and Kat together are unstoppable. -- (ha, maybe that is "the tree". Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, Anja to Kat...) |
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Post by Knight on Apr 16, 2015 17:20:59 GMT
My heart can't take this chapter.
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Post by calpal on Apr 16, 2015 23:50:55 GMT
... I truly and honestly thought that Kat's reaction to Annie cheating off her for the past few years would've been a lot more along the lines of "fu- rea- seriously, Annie?!" instead of "Why didn't you let me help you?!" Perhaps that's just how I would imagine reacting myself if I were in Kat's shoes... I don't know, it's just schoolwork. It's not some invention or academic discovery, it's just homework. In Kat's shoes, I'd be sad that Annie would go behind her back, but why be angry? It's not as if it's important or hurt Kat in any way. I suppose, ultimately, it depends on the person being cheated off of. Kat seems fine with it - at least right now (you never know!) - but I could definitely see an alternate reality where Kat was caring and honest towards Annie, yet didn't receive the same treatment when she discovered Annie copying her homework, which makes her more furious at Annie. If you're willing to copy someone else's work, what else are you willing to do behind their backs? Trust can be paramount in some friendships, and if one isn't sharing it with the other, it causes things to get a little nutty. |
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Post by guitarminotaur on Apr 17, 2015 4:13:04 GMT
The change in Annie is actually more disturbing here on further examination than anywhere else. I mean really, "I didn't want you to think I was stupid"?
Really? Where did the old Annie go, and where did she get this shrinking violet from as her imposter?
Just... think about what we know about Annie so far. Annie has always demonstrated a proactive state of mind. It doesn't matter if she's just learned she caused the death of her mother or if she's been asked to lead one of her best friends into his final rest, she acts with decision and regardless of what others think of it or of her. The whole "Spring-heeled" arc established that better than anything else.
That's one hell of a mask, because there's no way to detect the kind of vulnerability she's showing here from her actions.
I suppose Annie really is that proud. The slightest show of weakness or imperfection is a staggering blow to her, and the only judge of that she listens to is herself and her father.
Its sections like this that really make me want to go back and dissect every last action of Annie, because I'm aware there are probably clues in the comic that could have predicted all of this, and yet I'm completely astonished nonetheless.
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Post by Refugee on Apr 17, 2015 5:36:33 GMT
The change in Annie is actually more disturbing here on further examination than anywhere else. I mean really, "I didn't want you to think I was stupid"? ... That's one hell of a mask, because there's no way to detect the kind of vulnerability she's showing here from her actions. I suppose Annie really is that proud. The slightest show of weakness or imperfection is a staggering blow to her, and the only judge of that she listens to is herself and her father. Zimmy knew. Zimmy saw Annie's mask, and saw what was hiding behind it: the cheating, which I think stands in for a deep insecurity that she isn't as good as everyone thinks. This is a severe vulnerability. If she can learn from this to accept that she is NOT Jones, she will be much stronger, much more resilient. This more than any other. Tom's been working up to this since the very start. It's been well worth the re-read. I might even have to do it again and take notes this time. |
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Post by Onomatopoeia on Apr 23, 2015 1:34:52 GMT
Just goes to show that at 15 Annie is more mature than her supporters, who would rather see her father slowly tortured to death than Annie be forced to do something so outlandish as GASP take responsibility for her own actions.
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Post by creepingone on Apr 23, 2015 2:22:14 GMT
Just goes to show that at 15 Annie is more mature than her supporters, who would rather see her father slowly tortured to death than Annie be forced to do something so outlandish as GASP take responsibility for her own actions. Taking responsibility for ones own actions is important. I wonder when Anthony Carver will take responsibility for completely abdicating his duties as a parent for the last 3 years of his daughter's life. I wonder if he even understands that what he did was wrong. Maybe he just doesn't care. |
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Post by warrl on Apr 23, 2015 4:16:10 GMT
Just goes to show that at 15 Annie is more mature than her supporters, who would rather see her father slowly tortured to death than Annie be forced to do something so outlandish as GASP take responsibility for her own actions. I totally agree, except for one little detail... the complete lack of anyone suggesting that Annie NOT be forced to take responsibility for her actions. There is, after all, a difference between "be forced to take responsibility" and "be stripped of every achievement, accomplishment, friend, associate, symbol of one's mother, developed personal characteristic, rank, right, and privilege". It is possible to approve of one of these things and not the other. (Okay, I'm exaggerating a little bit - not much - in that last part.) |
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Post by pxc on Apr 23, 2015 17:16:26 GMT
Just goes to show that at 15 Annie is more mature than her supporters, who would rather see her father slowly tortured to death than Annie be forced to do something so outlandish as GASP take responsibility for her own actions. Still flogging straw men I see. |
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Post by chaosvii on Apr 23, 2015 18:49:47 GMT
Just goes to show that at 15 Annie is more mature than her supporters, who would rather see her father slowly tortured to death than Annie be forced to do something so outlandish as GASP take responsibility for her own actions. Man it's almost like the internet contains people that are fond of overblowing things, wouldn't you agree?! |
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Post by Chancellor on Apr 24, 2015 7:33:31 GMT
Just goes to show that at 15 Annie is more mature than her supporters, who would rather see her father slowly tortured to death than Annie be forced to do something so outlandish as GASP take responsibility for her own actions. And then there's THIS guy. |
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Post by Psiberkiwi on Apr 28, 2015 13:24:29 GMT
Sorry to knock this thread out of position, but every time I try to view Strip #1501 I get:
"The image 'http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/comics/00001501.jpg' cannot be displayed because it contains errors."
I have no problem whatsoever viewing any of the other strips, just this one.
(I'm posting in this thread because I wasn't sure where else to report this problem. Apologies in advance if I'm in error.)
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Post by atteSmythe on Apr 28, 2015 19:18:03 GMT
Try clearing your cache or using a forced reload. I've force-reloaded (usually ctrl-shift-r) the page, and for me it loads without errors.
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Post by Psiberkiwi on Apr 29, 2015 1:14:58 GMT
Thanks for the tip, but it's not working for me. I get brief flashes of 1501, but they never resolve properly, and it then dissolves back into the blank state again. Even Right-clicking and selecting 'View Image' does nothing (although when I force-reset here I get an all-too-briefly better view of 1501 before it fades away again...)
Saving the image/webpage doesn't help either, as when I try to view 1501 off my hard drive, all I get is a black square with the red text, 'Invalid Image'.
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Post by atteSmythe on Apr 29, 2015 1:35:38 GMT
Odd, sorry it didn't help. Fwiw, I did everything I could aside from clearing my own cache to get it to reload, then saved the image and loaded it into every editing program I had, but none indicates any error.
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Post by Psiberkiwi on Apr 29, 2015 1:37:19 GMT
Blehhh... Maybe that page just hates me.  |
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Post by Refugee on Apr 29, 2015 3:10:34 GMT
Blehhh... Maybe that page just hates me. Try here. I've converted it to PNG, so it's large, 1.5 MB, but maybe it will work where the JPG will not. |
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Post by catsneezes on Apr 29, 2015 15:09:24 GMT
As someone who had a lot of insecurities growing up, because my older brother was good at math and science and I wasn't, I really feel Annie being like "I didn't want you to think I was stupid."
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Post by Refugee on Apr 29, 2015 17:10:45 GMT
As someone who had a lot of insecurities growing up, because my older brother was good at math and science and I wasn't, I really feel Annie being like "I didn't want you to think I was stupid." Welcome to the forum! And yes. Previously in the conversation about this chapter, I've pointed to the sin of pride, something I personally am all too familiar with. This is one of its more insidious and most dangerous forms. |
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Post by TheClockworkCoyote on Apr 29, 2015 19:41:39 GMT
And yes. Previously in the conversation about this chapter, I've pointed to the sin of pride, something I personally am all too familiar with. "Do you know what your sin is, Doctor?" "I wonder if..." "It's pride." ... "Do you know what your sin is Mal?" "Ah Hell... I'm a fan of all seven. But right now... I'm gonna have to go with wrath." --Serenity  |
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