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Post by antiyonder on Apr 10, 2015 2:54:51 GMT
They haven't been? Donald, Anja, and James have all been there for Antimony, in ways both large and small. I doubt we have seen anything like all the times they have been there for her. I believe the implication is - why couldn't they be the middle man between Antimony and Anthony? Not "why couldn't they be stand in parents while Anthony was absent". Even most soldiers on deployment, or people working down mines, on navel vassals etc can communicate, if they want. Can be infrequent, but letters are nothing new. Webcams and satellite phones are nothing new. Not necessarily stand in parents or middle men, but just asking them to lend a hand to Annie if she should need it whether it involves academic help or just providing emotional support if she needs someone to turn to. And more importantly, letting Annie know that she has people she can contact right off the bat. |
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Post by AnUpliftedCuttlefish on Apr 10, 2015 3:00:44 GMT
I believe the implication is - why couldn't they be the middle man between Antimony and Anthony? Not "why couldn't they be stand in parents while Anthony was absent". Even most soldiers on deployment, or people working down mines, on navel vassals etc can communicate, if they want. Can be infrequent, but letters are nothing new. Webcams and satellite phones are nothing new. Not necessarily stand in parents or middle men, but just asking them to lend a hand to Annie if she should need it whether it involves academic help or just providing emotional support if she needs someone to turn to. And more importantly, letting Annie know that she has people she can contact right off the bat. Ah, I see. That was an option as well. If I had a kid, and was sending them of to board in trying circumstances (like the death of other parent they were much closer to), I would probably let them know about my old friends there they could turn to. And let my old friends know as well. Which just reminds me that even Jack - based on what he read in the school computer about Antimony's circumstances - called how Anthony left Antimony at GK as "ditching her". |
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Post by antiyonder on Apr 10, 2015 3:12:57 GMT
Ah, I see. That was an option as well. If I had a kid, and was sending them of to board in trying circumstances (like the death of other parent they were much closer to), I would probably let them know about my old friends there they could turn to. And let my old friends know as well. Which just reminds me that even Jack - based on what he read in the school computer about Antimony's circumstances - called how Anthony left Antimony at GK as "ditching her". Yeah, I'd say that sending a kid to somewhere like The Court isn't necessarily ditching said kid if like with Kat the parents still keep involved and spend time with her, or at the very least, have someone looking after their child (and letting said child know the fact). Of course Donald and Anja wouldn't be a substitute for her only parent, I imagine it would lessen or prevent Annie's feeling of being abandoned (maybe even arranging for Annie to spend time with them before hand so that she'd be accustomed to them sooner). And as I told Refugee in my response, yeah the two have been there for Annie, but she didn't know about them prior to being sent to the Court. As such, she originally thought that she'd be at this strange place for quite sometime without anyone. |
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Post by ih8pkmn on Apr 10, 2015 4:31:45 GMT
The update on Monday will be page 1500 of Gunnerkrigg Court. Considering that, on page 1000, Anthony contacted Antimony for the first time in years... I am dreading Monday's update.
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Post by quark on Apr 10, 2015 4:45:15 GMT
The update on Monday will be page 1500 of Gunnerkrigg Court. Considering that, on page 1000, Anthony contacted Antimony for the first time in years... I am dreading Monday's update. Well... let's hope that he only uses every thousandth comic, because comic 500 is just 'normal'. Yes, it precedes Kat finding out how Annie does science (by poking it), but there's worse things. |
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Post by warrl on Apr 10, 2015 6:08:07 GMT
In Microsat 5, he called her when he wanted to speak to Antimony. In one sense that is true, but in another it is incorrect: he called Jones when he wanted to speak to a recording device that would play back his words to Donald Donlan. We have nothing suggesting that the call included anything that was intended for Annie. Even her name at the start of the message was part of the code for Mr. Donlan. |
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Post by Chancellor on Apr 10, 2015 6:41:14 GMT
In Microsat 5, he called her when he wanted to speak to Antimony. In one sense that is true, but in another it is incorrect: he called Jones when he wanted to speak to a recording device that would play back his words to Donald Donlan. We have nothing suggesting that the call included anything that was intended for Annie. Even her name at the start of the message was part of the code for Mr. Donlan. It really just occurred to me how it would make the most sense to have Jones relay a message, considering her perfect memory. |
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Post by quark on Apr 10, 2015 6:44:01 GMT
In Microsat 5, he called her when he wanted to speak to Antimony. In one sense that is true, but in another it is incorrect: he called Jones when he wanted to speak to a recording device that would play back his words to Donald Donlan. We have nothing suggesting that the call included anything that was intended for Annie. Even her name at the start of the message was part of the code for Mr. Donlan. Well... Jones says explicitly that the call is 'for [Antimony]', and since Jones is capable of remembering everything that is said to her she could have played recording device, too, but you're right. I was just taking Donald's assumption that he wanted to hear Annie's voice at face value, but I think that just makes it worse. Anthony wanted to hear Antimony's voice, so he got her to talk to him. Without regard what that would do to her, without giving her anything in return. Everything's about him: he wants the satellite, he wants to hear his daughter, he is disappointed, he is inconvenienced, he wants Renard. Her needs and wishes and even concerns (his hand!) are nothing to him. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Apr 10, 2015 7:34:26 GMT
Now that steam is coming out of your ears and you're rehearsing what to type that would be a sufficiently intemperate response to my vexatious provocation, I will drop the overerudite "pose" just long enough to stoop to your level and say, "I'm laughing at you fit to shit, princess. Do us a huge favor, will ya, and piss off until you can blather with the grownups at the big table, innit?" I know this is just going to lead to more bad things, but the fact that we won't have to deal with Anthony for a few pages just gives me an overwhelming sense of relief. What does it change? Tonyspam will drown threads even if the next ten pages will be filled with Jones and Suttons going about their usual business. Unless a commissar whistles earlier or moderator bombs the place. That's how it rolls. Second thought: Tom is either actively trying to troll people with his comments below the strip (today, "Come by [at an event in New York] and we can talk about Annie and her dad's happy reunion!") or he doesn't know what is good for himself if he truly does not like people feeling emotions about this, which is what he has been saying elsewhere with emotion/anger (e.g. now writing IN CAPITALS for people to NOT TWITTER  ). O As to Tom's invitation, he probably addressed fans rather than the participants of the recent raid - let's face it, whichever hugbox was messily upended above this forum less than a month ago is not going to bother and fly there just to blather at him. So it looks like Tom does exactly know what's good for him. Alas, you aren't very scary, oh internet-tough-things.  The rest of your message, sadly, isn't coherent enough to decipher. I think I may go away for a while. Can someone call me when one, or preferably both, Carvers burst into flames? A) The best-case scenario: I go away, you go away, the raiders take over the forum and sit on it until no one shows to actually discuss the comic anymore, trolling, playing shells (see Onomatopoeia above) and whatnot. In which case the forum will be mostly useless simply because all content except this gets drowned in meaningless circlejoy, until they run to the next place. Leaving the forum more dead than alive for quite awhile - we drop in, see it's still lethargic, leave again. B) The worst-case scenario: the forum drowns in blather, childish name-calling and offtopic to unusable level, then socks vote their own moderator (some pseudointellectual who looks sane compared to them) to "help" the owner. Yaay. Then most sockpuppets vanish forever, and here will be 2-3 trolls (who act fursecuted, derail newbies and keep the forum stinky enough that the author won't drop in often - one of them miraculously allowed to maintain pyrofennec's level of poo-flinging indefinitely without ever being banned) and their big daddy (who bans everyone arguing with trolls on-topic, saying "don't feed", or trying to un-derail the threads too much). It's not even a hugbox, it's just keeping the place unusable. I have seen this pattern twice so far, just not from the very start. You may be right. We handled the anti-gay wave quite successfully collectively, in the end, and thanks to zimmyhoo's alertness and Tom Siddell's determinate action the dolphin invasion was stopped before it really begun, and since GK Sierra was given the mod duties we are surviving the love guru attack too, but I guess this could not have stayed the nice spot of the internet forever. |
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Post by kelantar on Apr 10, 2015 14:47:11 GMT
But lacking insight into Mr. Carver's motive for his absence (and some of his other actions prior to his return), I can't judge him, either. See, this is a line of thinking I can't agree with. It seems to me that you're taking "innocent until proven guilty" to the extreme. We've SEEN that he is guilty of leaving Annie for over two years. If he had a reason, he should have given it to Annie ages ago. But it's not up to us to determine his motives, we can only judge by his actions. And even IF he had good reason to be gone, the emotional impact he's had on Annie means he is going about it wrong. Do us a huge favor, will ya, and piss off until you can blather with the grownups at the big table, innit?" On this forum telling people to piss off is Tom's job, not yours. Almost reluctantly dropping Ms Rand's name will make some forum-members experience a flow of blood in parts of their anatomy, and telling us about your humongous wisdom and wide range of experience impresses us all, but does not make you a moderator yet. To be fair, this topic in particular has devolved so far, Tom would probably have burned it regardless of whether or not that post was made. I know this is just going to lead to more bad things, but the fact that we won't have to deal with Anthony for a few pages just gives me an overwhelming sense of relief. What does it change? Tonyspam will drown threads even if the next ten pages will be filled with Jones and Suttons going about their usual business. Unless a commissar whistles earlier or moderator bombs the place. That's how it rolls. I, for one, welcome our not-robot overlords. Besides, we need Jones to pop in about now. She'll bring some much needed emotion to the scene. But seriously, am I the only one a little unnerved by the fact that Jones seems to be better at connecting with Annie emotionally than Anthony, despite, y'know, actually not having emotions? Or is that just me? Looks like I picked the wrong time to de-lurk. |
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Post by TBeholder on Apr 11, 2015 10:57:38 GMT
You may be right. We handled the anti-gay wave quite successfully collectively Well, yes. Assuming trolls and raiders are actually opinion-motivated rather purpose-motivated is a mistake, however. Pro-skub and anti-skub are but means to the end. Case in point: Runaway Hooves here is the only one who doesn't even pretend to argue "for real", but in fact does more by giving the choir a pretext for to repeat the same lines ad nauseam than by trolling the rest of us. Euthanizing the obvious troll's account, however, will achieve nothing to make the threads more readable, because it started before Runaway Hooves. Then the choir will kiss the behind of moderator in question for "victory against those who condone abuse" and immediately start begging to ban anyone who disagrees with them - which is to say, all of us who don't ignore them. Any doubts? Looks like I picked the wrong time to de-lurk. Well, yes. Do like me. Periscope depth! Load tubes! Intercept course!  |
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Post by zimmyzims on Apr 11, 2015 11:32:03 GMT
You may be right. We handled the anti-gay wave quite successfully collectively Well, yes. Assuming trolls and raiders are actually opinion-motivated rather purpose-motivated is a mistake, however. Pro-skub and anti-skub are but means to the end. Case in point: Runaway Hooves here is the only one who doesn't even pretend to argue "for real", but in fact does more by giving the choir a pretext for to repeat the same lines ad nauseam than by trolling the rest of us. Euthanizing the obvious troll's account, however, will achieve nothing to make the threads more readable, because it started before Runaway Hooves. Then the choir will kiss the behind of moderator in question for "victory against those who condone abuse" and immediately start begging to ban anyone who disagrees with them - which is to say, all of us who don't ignore them. Any doubts? No. You are very probably right. I admit it voluntarily that I have very little experience with the so called social media and may not understand much of it. Indeed, now that you say it, I understand some recent events (not all of which are public) better. |
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