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Post by Max on Mar 30, 2015 7:32:17 GMT
As surprising as this is, Annie has been shirking accountability for a long time. Not just for cheating, but other stuff as well. And the more and more it builds up, the harsher the consequences will be. That said, I hope Kat gives him an earful. He has no standing to be criticizing her about ethics. |
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Post by edzepp on Mar 30, 2015 7:33:54 GMT
In seriousness though, we JUST got the new living arrangements last chapter, so I don't think we'll be abandoning that nearly immediately. I was trying to weigh if one knew one would be largely discarding a setting one created rather quickly, would one be more likely to create something that many references exist for and which could be amusing, or use it as an opportunity to draw something totally awesome but impractical to draw frequently... Well, this is still the most realistic dorm setting he's drawn. max: That's exactly what makes the whole thing so complex. On the one hand, yes, Annie hasn't been the epitome of responsibility lately, but on the other, Dammit Anthony this is not how reunions go at all. |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 30, 2015 7:39:00 GMT
Well, the thing is, this is JUST reasonable enough to squeak through a little benefit of the doubt. The debate is not over, good sir. A man can dream. What I'm saying is, there's a decent divide as to whether the other students will cut their losses and move on without Annie, or all opt to oppose Anthony (and the Court's) decision by voluntarily holding themselves back a year. I don't see this as likely, but it *would* be absolutely awesome. Or perhaps they reveal they've all been cheating off of Kat, heh. Considering how tricky the work may be at an etheric super-science school, Kat might be the only one who can pass. |
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Post by wombat on Mar 30, 2015 7:39:06 GMT
I was trying to weigh if one knew one would be largely discarding a setting one created rather quickly, would one be more likely to create something that many references exist for and which could be amusing, or use it as an opportunity to draw something totally awesome but impractical to draw frequently... Well, this is still the most realistic dorm setting he's drawn. Yes; just to be clear, the new dorms as they are fit with the former of the two options I was weighing. Of course, the new dorm setting could still be used whether Annie is let back or not. |
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Post by KMar on Mar 30, 2015 7:40:40 GMT
However, again, any concept of academic honesty (if seriously enforced in a manner like this) would call also for the Court to immediately respond and act it became aware of the dishonesty, and not let it continue. Sorry for self-quote, but thinking about this again. Apparently Annie failed the "don't get caught" rule. Even taking the Court being the Court (the lax security etc) into account, the Court definitely should have intervened. Now it looks like the teachers (like Anthony) can make up rules and procedures, or choose to enforce or not to enforce them as they please. Which definitely shouldn't be a thing [/understatement]. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 30, 2015 7:40:45 GMT
Well I'm quite torn whether this is sensible course of action, school policy wise. Plagiarism is bad, there's question of academic honesty, and so on... And anyway, while all this might be reasonable (for a teacher / administrative person who has the primary responsibility for overseeing Annie's studies "in the system"), the way Anthony is handling this as a father... ugh. Passing her then confronting her after having made arrangements to hold her back a year is an abnormal way for a school to handle this. But maybe it is par for the course for Anthony Carver. |
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Post by wombat on Mar 30, 2015 7:41:51 GMT
Well, the thing is, this is JUST reasonable enough to squeak through a little benefit of the doubt. The debate is not over, good sir. A man can dream. What I'm saying is, there's a decent divide as to whether the other students will cut their losses and move on without Annie, or all opt to oppose Anthony (and the Court's) decision by voluntarily holding themselves back a year. I don't see this as likely, but it *would* be absolutely awesome. Or perhaps they reveal they've all been cheating off of Kat, heh. Considering how tricky the work may be at an etheric super-science school, Kat might be the only one who can pass. This reminds me of the first test of the Chunin exam in Naruto, where the real test was "how well can you cheat," though Sakura knew the answers (I think, if I'm remembering correctly). |
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Post by edzepp on Mar 30, 2015 7:45:02 GMT
However, again, any concept of academic honesty (if seriously enforced in a manner like this) would call also for the Court to immediately respond and act it became aware of the dishonesty, and not let it continue. Sorry for self-quote, but thinking about this again. Apparently Annie failed the "don't get caught" rule. Even taking the Court being the Court (the lax security etc) into account, the Court definitely should have intervened. Now it looks like the teachers (like Anthony) can make up rules and procedures, or choose to enforce or not to enforce them as they please. Which definitely shouldn't be a thing [/understatement]. Yeah, this is all so weird. If you're going to hold someone back a year, do it before they move on to the next grade, y'know? And maybe don't let long-lost emotionally distant fathers handle these situations, yeah? But this is the court, and they have to be weird for the sake of it. |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 30, 2015 7:45:45 GMT
This is like every nightmare I've ever had rolled into one. Disapproving father, classroom humiliation, and now revoking her academic progress. Oh no, it could be much worse. Imagine if this page had begun with Kat saying/thinking: "Wait, Annie, is that the only reason you've been my friend for all of this time? Did you move in with me this year just to be able to copy my work more easily? Was anything between us real???" Ow. Actually, in all seriousness, I'm impressed by how Annie took the fall for Kat here. Usually Annie runs from conflict - she's not the type to (metaphorically) throw herself onto the grenade. It's a new side to her character, and I kind of like it. |
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Post by vakri on Mar 30, 2015 7:46:29 GMT
This is like every nightmare I've ever had rolled into one. Disapproving father, classroom humiliation, and now revoking her academic progress. Oh no, it could be much worse. Imagine if this page had begun with Kat saying/thinking "Wait, Annie, is that the only reason you've been my friend for all of this time? Did you move in with me this year just to be able to copy my work more easily? Was anything between us real???" Ow. Stop. Just don't. By the way, what would be Kat's punishment? Maybe, she will loose access to her lab? |
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Post by bedinsis on Mar 30, 2015 7:47:10 GMT
Reading over the last chapter:
I speculate that Annie will end up in the same class as the former rabbit.
Although that would require her to learn how to learn without using her brain. And I'm uncertain what year the former rabbit will start at. So I could be way off.
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Post by edzepp on Mar 30, 2015 7:47:37 GMT
This is like every nightmare I've ever had rolled into one. Disapproving father, classroom humiliation, and now revoking her academic progress. Oh no, it could be much worse. Imagine if this page had begun with Kat saying/thinking: "Wait, Annie, is that the only reason you've been my friend for all of this time? Did you move in with me this year just to be able to copy my work more easily? Was anything between us real???" Ow. Actually, in all seriousness, I'm impressed by how Annie took the fall for Kat here. Usually Annie runs from conflict - she's not the type to (metaphorically) throw herself onto the grenade. It's a new side to her character, and I kind of like it. Hey, once you fire elemental the hell out of some unruly forest dwellers, I suppose you learn a few things about taking on conflict head on. (You apply it directly to the forehead.) |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 30, 2015 7:47:46 GMT
I speculate that Annie will end up in the same class as the former rabbit. Interesting. That seems a little too...direct for Tom (one chapter introduces a character, while another brings them into the story, with no delay), but it could certainly happen and have some cool effects. Oh no, it could be much worse. Imagine if this page had begun with Kat saying/thinking "Wait, Annie, is that the only reason you've been my friend for all of this time? Did you move in with me this year just to be able to copy my work more easily? Was anything between us real???" Ow. Stop. Just don't. That is what I legitimately expected for this page, after seeing Kat's face in Friday's. As bad as being held back a year may be, I'm actually relieved about the content of today's page. |
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Post by edzepp on Mar 30, 2015 7:50:13 GMT
Kat can dopeslap Annie on the head later. Right now, it's angry friend time.
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Post by arf on Mar 30, 2015 7:50:16 GMT
Well, that explains why 'no Year 10 course book for *you*'. Katsuvius blew when the prospect of relegating Annie was raised. (ie, Annie may well be getting a piece of Kat's mind later, but they're still good.) So, Anthony. - Why raise this at the *start* of the school year? - How do *you* come to have a say in this matter, anyway? I think Annie is entitled to hear the Court's side of the story, at this point. How were they proposing to handle this? The Court knew? That was the implicit message in Jones' remarks (" You are important to the Court, but their patience will only stretch so far.") That was about halfway through the year, and Jones did admit she should have spoken sooner. Shall we hear that Annie mended her ways after that? All* will be revealed in the next scintillating page. *Except for most of it |
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Post by wombat on Mar 30, 2015 7:50:56 GMT
Actually, in all seriousness, I'm impressed by how Annie took the fall for Kat here. Usually Annie runs from conflict - she's not the type to (metaphorically) throw herself onto the grenade. It's a new side to her character, and I kind of like it. And thank god she's not going, "Yeah, Kat knew! She knew the whole time! Have her repeat year 9 too!" As far as exams go, I wonder if she tended to do not-great on them, but the points she got from other work managed to keep her grades afloat? |
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Post by psybershadow on Mar 30, 2015 7:52:58 GMT
So no one told you dad was gonna be this way... "Did your relationship with your daughter end: A. Happily B. Medium or C. In the total abandonment of her in a strange environment" I read that "medium" as, like, forest medium. |
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Post by Elysium on Mar 30, 2015 7:53:06 GMT
Ah, good ol' jerk parents, always imposing what you think is good for your child, while you did absolutely nothing to support them.
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 30, 2015 7:53:25 GMT
All* will be revealed in the next page. *Except for most of it. The eternal tragedy. This sums up GKC so, so well. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 30, 2015 7:54:27 GMT
... ... ... Well. In any other webcomic, I'd say that the author simply couldn't do this. But Tom might, but it would likely require discarding the whole class of peers that Antimony has gained throughout the comic. Personally I suspect that this will be followed by something like "If either of you wants to stay in this class, since I have evidence of your cheating, you'll have to do what I say and follow my instructions..." Also, this might be the final nail in the coffin for Anthony fans. zimmyzims, report!
Can't quite understand what you mean? This perfectly explains why she does not need the textbook: she's not going to finish this class. She's passed whole two years cheating and is lagging that much behind the others. She's only going to repeat year 9, not year 8, too? Probably going to be pretty tough without having done the studies required to get to that level, but it is obvious she has neither right nor competence to do the year 10, so I wonder what could be the alternative arrangement? well, of course it is that either Kat or Anthony tutors her through the year, although in the circumstances that is probably required for her to complete the year 9, too. As surprising as this is, Annie has been shirking accountability for a long time. Not just for cheating, but other stuff as well. And the more and more it builds up, the harsher the consequences will be./quote] I don't think that's half surprising really. This has been waiting to happen. It's quite ridiculous that people think that Annie could, and moreover should, be allowed to continue like this. And once the other students hear she's been cheating throughout the last two years, well, why would they stand up for her? They have passed with hard work, she has cheated. It would be a different thing if this was somehow unjust, but it will be plainly clear to them that it is not. It is something Annie has caused herself, and as you say, the longer it was to continue, the greater the fall was going to be. Just imagine if she had completed year 10 like this as well. The longer she could continue that, the worse for her. |
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Post by wombat on Mar 30, 2015 7:55:05 GMT
"Did your relationship with your daughter end: A. Happily B. Medium or C. In the total abandonment of her in a strange environment" I read that "medium" as, like, forest medium. Yeah, that's just a bonus pun that worked its way in there. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 30, 2015 7:58:32 GMT
Reading over the last chapter: I speculate that Annie will end up in the same class as the former rabbit. Although that would require her to learn how to learn without using her brain. And I'm uncertain what year the former rabbit will start at. So I could be way off. Nah, the rabbit-boy will be in Chester. That's another house plus another year since rabbit is a new arrival. I've joked about them putting Antimony in Chester but the Court wouldn't do that if they want to separate Antimony from her forest-leanings. It's full of Woods-weirdos who think Coyote is cool. |
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Post by edzepp on Mar 30, 2015 8:00:22 GMT
Well, wombat, whatever the answer to your quiz, I would say that this series of events has not resulted in... A happy medium. |
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Post by wombat on Mar 30, 2015 8:03:15 GMT
Reading over the last chapter: I speculate that Annie will end up in the same class as the former rabbit. Although that would require her to learn how to learn without using her brain. And I'm uncertain what year the former rabbit will start at. So I could be way off. Nah, the rabbit-boy will be in Chester. That's another house plus another year since rabbit is a new arrival. I've joked about them putting Antimony in Chester but the Court wouldn't do that if they want to separate Antimony from her forest-leanings. It's full of Woods-weirdos who think Coyote is cool. I believe you mean Foley-- that's where the forest folks are at. Chester is the house that Gamma and Zimmy are in. |
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Post by heranje on Mar 30, 2015 8:03:49 GMT
Can I just say that I love Kat for (seemingly impulsively) jumping to Annie's defense even though she just found out she's been stealing her work? Like, she might well be angry and there might well be a confrontation about it later, but even with that her first, instinctive priority is defending her friend.
Kat4life.
I actually find this a pretty reasonable punishment for Anthony to choose, and it doesn't add to my (still considerable) dislike of him. Annie does need to learn that there are consequences to her actions even though she (in her mind) has bigger and more important things going on than school, and since she probably won't have learned the curriculum like she was supposed to since she has been cheating, repeating a year is pretty reasonable.
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Post by edzepp on Mar 30, 2015 8:07:39 GMT
Honestly, the fact that the new living arrangements have only just been set in stone is enough to convince me that 'Annie repeating a year with no friends' isn't necessarily going to be the end result here.
Or she could repeat and she'd just stay with Kat anyway? I dunno, that doesn't sound quite right either.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 30, 2015 8:07:47 GMT
Nah, the rabbit-boy will be in Chester. That's another house plus another year since rabbit is a new arrival. I've joked about them putting Antimony in Chester but the Court wouldn't do that if they want to separate Antimony from her forest-leanings. It's full of Woods-weirdos who think Coyote is cool. I believe you mean Foley-- that's where the forest folks are at. Chester is the house that Gamma and Zimmy are in. Whoops, my bad. Thanks! |
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Post by m0rtimer on Mar 30, 2015 8:17:03 GMT
Temporarily exiting lurker status just to say...
Gah. Anthony. Please. I WANT to like you. But right now I'm really wanting to punch a fictional character. >.>
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Post by Max on Mar 30, 2015 8:17:59 GMT
I think the Court may have intended to let her continue on, but her father returned before the start of the term and convinced/ordered them to change their decision (he's her father and possibly important to the Court in other ways, who knows). That makes more sense than pretending to pass her and than pulling her back after term started. I wonder if she will be forced to retake bio and history as well, even though her father said she did well in those classes. I don't think that's half surprising really... Well, surprising (a lot of us didn't quite see this coming), not shocking (it makes sense, logically, and isn't out of line with how schools generally treat plagiarism). |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Mar 30, 2015 8:18:46 GMT
Woods-weirdos who think Coyote is cool. Do not speak of my subjects so. They may not be very bright, or reliable, but they are loyal. I care for them all, because without them, no one would laugh at my jokes. Or my pranks. Or, gods forbid, my puns. And even the God of mischief gets bored with no one to worship or watch him. And without a laugh, I am less than nothing, weaker than the dust that swirls through the wind in my wake, as empty as the void between the stars that I scattered in the heavens. |
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