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Post by sidhekin on Mar 20, 2015 12:24:35 GMT
That's rather the opposite of what I had in mind: "driving her to the Forest". My "this" was ambiguous, wasn't it? Sorry. |
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Post by antiyonder on Mar 20, 2015 12:36:25 GMT
parrot: While I think there's room to disagree with your post, I wouldn't say it's stupid or anything of that fashion.
But to explain my stance, I refer to Zuko from ATLA again. Prior to turning on his dad, Zuko was very much in denial. He thought that his scarring and banishment were justifiable and that his father loved him.
And much like how Anthony healed Annie's wound, there was one time that Zuko's family (father and sister included) were genuinely happy, which he mentions in the beginning of The Ember Island Players.
That said, I will concede to possibly forgetting such, but has there been any other cases where we actually see some decency on Tony's part rather than it being inferred or claim by people who feat he's eavesdropping on them and play nice to avoid retribution from him?
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 20, 2015 12:58:03 GMT
That's rather the opposite of what I had in mind: "driving her to the Forest". My "this" was ambiguous, wasn't it? Sorry. It was quite. So, you were actually proposing a speculation that Anthony is trying to drive Annie to the Forest? I don't know why he would be doing so, but okay, at least he has started that pretty well, I guess. There might be a thing, like if he was plotting to destroy the court, and wouldn't want to tell Annie, because Annie would not accept it because of all her friends there, and he would just want Annie to get safe before the mayhem starts. Somehow, admittedly bizarre as it is, that option feels better than Anthony just being a complete douche with his daughter. That said, I will concede to possibly forgetting such, but has there been any other cases where we actually see some decency on Tony's part rather than it being inferred or claim by people who fear he's eavesdropping on them and play nice to avoid retribution from him?That last clause is more than little unfair. And how about devoting his life to find a way to save his wife from inevitable fate, so that she could both have a child with him and stay alive? |
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Post by Señor Goose on Mar 20, 2015 13:16:57 GMT
Oh wow, poor thing. Get on with it Tony!
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Post by antiyonder on Mar 20, 2015 13:17:48 GMT
Saving a loved one is a good thing, but I mean doing something admirable that benefits him in no way.
As for my clause being unfair, is it really? I mean there cases like in the past where writing slanderous entertainment about a royal official is punishable by death. Not saying he'd go that far, but surely given how his own daughter seems afraid of him, he strikes me as the kind of person who will seek to make someone's life uncomfortable if they so much as look at him the wrong way.
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Post by Covalent on Mar 20, 2015 13:23:09 GMT
That's not adenine, that's pyridine, silly.  Unless he wasn't finished drawing the structure. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 20, 2015 13:23:43 GMT
Saving a loved one is a good thing, but I mean doing something admirable that benefits him in no way. As for my clause being unfair, is it really? I mean there cases like in the past where writing slanderous entertainment about a royal official is punishable by death. Not saying he'd go that far, but surely given how his own daughter seems afraid of him, he strikes me as the kind of person who will seek to make someone's life uncomfortable if they so much as look at him the wrong way. It is extremely unfair and, to be honest, paranoid to claim that Tony's old friends were speaking afraid of being eavesdropped and fearing the consequences if they speak badly of him. There's absolutely nothing that suggests they were, and you say it as if that was a fact. And that completely different people in different societies have done that historically is absolutely no evidence for that Tony did that here or that others were afraid of him doing it. And, you were asking: has there been any other cases where we actually see some decency on Tony's part , which is different from asking for absolutely altruistic heroic deeds that "benefit him in no way". |
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Post by crater on Mar 20, 2015 13:24:25 GMT
Tony CLEARLY still holds a grudge against Ann. He CLEARLY still blames her for Surma's death.
He doesn't have any conscious plans to ruin Ann. He is just acting like himself.
which is an bitter old man who can't bring himself to forgive his only daughter no matter how hard he tries.
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 20, 2015 13:28:39 GMT
Tony CLEARLY still holds a grudge against Ann. He CLEARLY still blames her for Surma's death. He doesn't have any conscious plans to ruin Ann. He is just acting like himself. which is an bitter old man who can't bring himself to forgive his only daughter no matter how hard he tries. When you say CLEARLY, you mean it in the conventional sense of "I have this feeling it's like that, but I cannot prove it in any way", right? |
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Post by antiyonder on Mar 20, 2015 13:32:15 GMT
zimmyzims: Point taken on both parts. Though at the very least would you say there is a possibility of my claim having merit?
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Post by calpal on Mar 20, 2015 13:39:09 GMT
How does the grading system work? If she is unable to complete textbook work (assuming she couldn't somehow borrow the work from other people), could she fail the class? Could he be intentionally trying to hold her back a grade? If that were the case, why do that?
Also, just noticed her composure could be reflected in her hair right now. It's starting to get more and more messed up with each passing page.
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 20, 2015 13:45:00 GMT
zimmyzims: Point taken on both parts. Though at the very least would you say there is a possibility of my claim having merit? If you mean in the legal sense that it may be a true claim about the matters of fact, well, that is open, of course. But I would like to point out that it is not a coincidence that the term 'merit' refers directly to the quality of the claim itself. If this was a court case, the court would probably decide that the claim has no merit, since there is no evidence whatsoever suggesting it would be true (such as any nervousness on anybody's part when talking of Anthony, or anybody ever implying that Anthony might be following them in any other respect). Not simply that it is probably not true, but that it is not based on matters of fact and as such has no merits as a factual claim. And that even if it would, in the end, prove to be true - because the merit would now be with the other, strengthened claim that would actually bring in some matters of fact. Does that make sense to you? |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 20, 2015 13:47:26 GMT
How does the grading system work? If she is unable to complete textbook work (assuming she couldn't somehow borrow the work from other people), could she fail the class? Could he be intentionally trying to hold her back a grade? If that were the case, why do that? Also, just noticed her composure could be reflected in her hair right now. It's starting to get more and more messed up with each passing page. Good point. But could it not be just an effect of her having washed her face? Because it was at that point that the "mess" in her hair appeared (those few individual hairs distinguishing from her otherwise neatly combed hair), and that's something that tends to happen to long-haired people when they wash their face. |
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Post by antiyonder on Mar 20, 2015 13:54:58 GMT
Yeah it does. I suppose the only reasoning I can give is that while his friends speak good of him, his moments of decency shown feels more like an exception rather than the rule.
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Post by Señor Goose on Mar 20, 2015 14:00:34 GMT
But to explain my stance, I refer to Zuko from ATLA again. I love when people do that. Good taste in tv shows. |
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Post by edzepp on Mar 20, 2015 14:17:56 GMT
Ultimately, the only question I want answered is what the goddamn hell is the point of all this.
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Post by rainofsteel on Mar 20, 2015 14:22:52 GMT
That is harassment. I don't know how teacher behavior is regulated in GK, but around here, these things could get a teacher into serious disciplinary trouble.
Why start a teaching job only to deliberately get a disciplinary write-up?
Kat, the daughter of his school years friends, is sitting right there. She may well tell her parents about this. They appear to like Annie. Wouldn't they stand up for her. Does he now care nothing for them and their opinion as well?
Dear Mr. Carver. You are a jerk face; and other less printable comments.
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Post by philman on Mar 20, 2015 14:26:07 GMT
My point is: doing what he does is dysfunctional exactly in condition that it is supposed function is to put Annie in order within the Court, because it will likely only succeed in driving her to the Forest. Has anyone speculated this (that is, driving her to the Forest) is what he is trying to do? After all, Surma and Tony left the Court seemingly disillusioned with it. I think it's partly that, but partly just trying to make her lose control, maybe by running to the forest, or maybe by firing up and lashing out, and then using that as an excuse to take control of her in other ways "for her own safety". Although, going back to the chapter title and images, I think we won't find out his aims this chapter, but it will be more a chapter of Annie being humiliated some more this class, then dismissed, and the rest of the chapter will be about her building herself up again with the help of her friends, Kat, Renard, Shadow, even Jones, Eglamore and Kat's parents. I think we're due a lot of reflection on what it means to be family. |
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Post by KMar on Mar 20, 2015 14:26:39 GMT
Side question, when did the conventions of thread naming change? Some time ago. I wonder why. However, I (for one) couldn't bother start complaining about it again. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 20, 2015 14:34:12 GMT
Well.
I really hadn't considered the "it was all just a dream" possibility, until know. His behavior is getting ridiculous and dragged out...
But maybe, that's the point. He may know enough about the Court's eavesdropping/tracking abilities to realize, that the Ether is the only way to securely talk with her.
Stuck in class, no book, pushed to the need to escape, and wanting to tell him off. It all may be what he's going for. He may need to talk with her privately, and is willing to look like a complete @#& to do it.
Either way, I'm hoping she goes in the Ether soon. At the very least, to see if Zimmy left a mark.
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 20, 2015 14:38:53 GMT
Side question, when did the conventions of thread naming change? Some time ago. I wonder why. However, I (for one) couldn't bother start complaining about it again. I could, and it is nice that this was brought up by someone else. I have been wondering where on the page does it read "no books required". Who on earth decided to change the convention of finding the title on the page and why have people accepted that change? It ruins the whole thread creating game completely. Not that I could participate it nowadays, but still. |
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Post by Jota on Mar 20, 2015 14:40:36 GMT
Well, I for one enjoyed Annie's small act of rebellion: After beng told that she has delayed her classmates long enough she still proceeded to take a detour by Margo's desk before heading to her and Kat's desk closest to the door. (I don't know if it's an art mistake, an artistic commentary on Annie's state of mind or an indication that we're not witnessing true events) I don't think that's the case. I suspect that Margo is sitting at the desk to the left of Kat and Annie -- we can see just the very end of it at the left side of panel 1. Since the right side of Annie's desk is right up against the wall/cabinet/whatever, she'd have to walk down the middle aisle between the desks to get back to her seat. |
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Post by hnau on Mar 20, 2015 14:41:07 GMT
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Post by crater on Mar 20, 2015 14:53:00 GMT
Tony CLEARLY still holds a grudge against Ann. He CLEARLY still blames her for Surma's death. He doesn't have any conscious plans to ruin Ann. He is just acting like himself. which is an bitter old man who can't bring himself to forgive his only daughter no matter how hard he tries. When you say CLEARLY, you mean it in the conventional sense of "I have this feeling it's like that, but I cannot prove it in any way", right? no, "CLEARLY" as in, it's such an obvious fact that stating it out loud only serves to make me look dumber |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 20, 2015 15:12:09 GMT
When you say CLEARLY, you mean it in the conventional sense of "I have this feeling it's like that, but I cannot prove it in any way", right? no, "CLEARLY" as in, it's such an obvious fact that stating it out loud only serves to make me look dumber Which is CLEARLY the same as what I just said. |
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Post by fwip on Mar 20, 2015 15:50:15 GMT
I haven't read the whole discussion page yet but I'm just going to say that Tony's behavior here doesn't make any sense whatsoever. He's being so cruel that there HAS to be something more to it, something that hasn't been shown to us yet. Damn Friday page...
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Post by vakri on Mar 20, 2015 15:55:12 GMT
And Tony would say something like "I knew you would do this, that is what your mother would do", then he tells her how Surma taught him how to contact someone in Ether. Then he tells her that he missed her and he had some really important things to do- but he cannot finnish them alone. He needs help, and she is the only person he can trust- that's why noone can know about it, or even suspect they work together. |
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Post by Purgatorius on Mar 20, 2015 16:08:25 GMT
Dream sequence! Dream sequence! Dream sequence!
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 20, 2015 16:50:46 GMT
Well now I'm just leaning toward he's trying to set her off into fire mode. Very trying. Hopefully this won't go on for much longer...whatever's going on. I think this time Tom pulls a long nose...  Since you will copy all your homework from your classmate anyway I don't see the need to waste one perfectly good textbook on you. What if he's thinking, "You weren't here when the books were being passed out and now you don't have one. I'm not going to interrupt my lecture to give you one so stfu." I've had more than one teacher like that. Doesn't really matter if she didn't get one as an oversight (since that seat was empty) or no. Yeah, it's probably the usual, one way or another. Tony's convenient mask is "a tin man". Problem with this is that Kat knows tin men, and is qualified to make a withering remark on this. ...and also if something goes wrong enough, it will look like Anthony was obviously set up to provoke Annie into doing something she would regret, just like Surma was set up to provoke Renard - and no way in hell he would be able to argue his way out of this as far as to "reasonable doubt", even if he was capable of talking his way out of an open paper bag. I also have a suspicion that he will helpfully propose a remedial course, and Kat will express her opinion of this (and him) in no uncertain terms even before Annie can answer, if they both are present. And/or promise to have antigravitic loader eject him bodily via window if she'll ever see him around their rooms. I can't imagine people inviting her to all the parties, but they certainly don't dislike her or consider her as weird as before. Well, they did invite her to the party in Faraway Morning - and one back in Power Station, for that matter (if presumably out of politeness, because she's Kat's best friend and they needed Kat's mad hax skillz). After which, she kind of a hero of that boarding party incident. Not that jackassery this thick requires any popularity of the subject to annoy everyone in the room. Have there been any theories as to what exactly those bone structures were that may have had something to do with Anni's coma? and one more down that thread. Compatibility with facts observed in the comic and related by characters... varies. And also I'm starting to wonder that, if Tony is actually doing research on the fire spirit thing ...he would need to start from scratch, unless Jones missed something bigger than a laser cow. And without help ofresources and known specialists from the Court. Maybe this is the exact fucked up way of him showing the affection for his offspring - through sweat, blood and tears, so to say. Because he wants her to be independent and perfect in every way. However, his disorder prevents him from behaving like a normal loving parent. Who can tell? Would be like Anthony. If he as much as understands what is hard and what isn't for her, he might do it on purpose. He is just acting like himself. which is an bitter old man who can't bring himself to forgive his only daughter no matter how hard he tries. Quite possibly. The customary use of "Tin Man" face is to hide the confused wreck blindly thrashing inside. Anthony is just out of his depth when dealing with much more basic facts of life than most of people, that's all. Which is why so far, "well-meaning, but unable to understand people", "well-meaning, but royally messed up" and "well-meaning, but hiding his weakness" (not that they are incompatible) all can fully cover his behaviour - being a fish-out-of-water before Brinnie, learning medicine, becoming a self-exile or runaway from the Court and acting as a shameless jerk, without clashing with what we know about him from Jones and Donlan. I like my version because it also explains what did Surma see in Tony: a great challenge to actually reach him. She was proud, excitable and a Medium, remember?  |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Mar 20, 2015 16:56:45 GMT
And Tony would say something like "I knew you would do this, that is what your mother would do", then he tells her how Surma taught him how to contact someone in Ether. Then he tells her that he missed her and he had some really important things to do- but he cannot finnish them alone. He needs help, and she is the only person he can trust- that's why noone can know about it, or even suspect they work together. OR he would turn to her and say "This is a class of biology, not etheric nonsense. Please hand over your blinker stone and place it in this lead box in my desk. You will get it back at the end of the school year" |
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