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Post by The Anarch on Mar 16, 2015 23:32:27 GMT
I can't abide by whatever thought process allows someone to think "I am upset, I will respond with hateful and violent words" and not be horrified by themselves. There is never an excuse to say someone should die. That's fine. I personally can't abide people who are judgmental about others regarding things that aren't actually that terrible or serious. There's no good reason to try and shame people for their preferred form of harmless entertainment. |
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Post by fish on Mar 16, 2015 23:39:12 GMT
Since I am now suddenly more inclined to believe Zimmy's tele-punch and the bone lasers were real, it's crazy theory time!
WHAT IF Anthony didn't abandon his daughter to go on some weird mission to find a cure or anything. What if he was abducted instead! Byyyy, I don't know, somebody! And he didn't have any way to contact her because he was held captive and isolated. After two years he finally gets his hands on a phone and is able to contact Jones, but instead of asking her to forward him to Donny directly, he asks for his daughter because he want's to hear her voice and let her know he's still out there somewhere. Then, after recieving the payload from microsat 5 he is finally able to break free of his captors and struggles to find his way out of wherever he was held. Because he's somehow lost, he uses a device (created with materials from the payload?) to shoot bone lasers that will connect to his daughter and show him the right way to Gunnerkrigg Court. Unfortunately he didn't know the effect the bone lasers would have on his daughters health and a while after he activated that device he is suddenly struck by a fiery blow out of nowhere, accompanied by a strange voice yelling "Message from your little girl, mate!". Confused as to what had happened he does not activate the bone laser again. Nevertheless he manages to find his way back to the Court, even if it takes him a while. He assumes the punch out of nowhere (which left a scar) was his dauther's doing and is afraid she might be angry with him. Which is why he doesn't contact her before the new school year starts, because he wants to put off that confrontation as much as possible. Now the first day of class has arrived and he is finally reunited with his daughter (just being in the same room as her is enough for him). But what is this? She started to wear the same makeup Surma did? That makeup that he always found ridiculous and unnecessary, even when Surma wore it? No, please, daughter, wash that stuff off your face, it will ruin your skin!!!
BAM! *drops the mic* Have I turned your view of Anthony around, yet? Huh? HUH?
I'm so sorry! I was frantically giggling all the way while writing this, I, I can't... I'm out now. x)
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Post by matoyak on Mar 16, 2015 23:42:57 GMT
Even a mediocre relationship still offers plenty of benefits over a non-existent one IMO. No. As someone who has excised an aunt and a step-father for being horrific human beings with actively harmful effects on mine and my family's well-being, no. Some people just aren't worth the stress, anxiety, and depression they perpetuate. Sometimes those people are your family. (Note: I do not necessarily think Anthony is quite to that stage yet, but he's beginning to show himself as being of that ilk. If so, the best thing for Annie would be to just remove him from her life). |
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Post by hypixion on Mar 16, 2015 23:47:11 GMT
I can't abide by whatever thought process allows someone to think "I am upset, I will respond with hateful and violent words" and not be horrified by themselves. There is never an excuse to say someone should die. I haven't seen anyone here say murder, only like give a punch or two. And even if someone said murder they probably wouldn't mean it literally. We don't want anyone to die, okay? |
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Post by lit on Mar 16, 2015 23:50:36 GMT
We need an "Anthony defender" or "Anthony supporter" userbar. Ugh, why, no we don't. |
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Post by hypixion on Mar 16, 2015 23:54:41 GMT
We need an "Anthony defender" or "Anthony supporter" userbar. Ugh, why, no we don't. Because aside from some harsh words and questionable motives and actions we have no indication of him being a bad person. |
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Post by Garbage on Mar 16, 2015 23:55:39 GMT
While I agree that the level of threats and anger/disdain in general towards Tony is undeserved and overly assuming, i feel it's a little out of place for anyone to assume these are all either legitmate OR exaggerated, as its gonna be a mix. Either way, it is both entertaining as well as a bit much at this point. I haven't seen anyone here say murder, only like give a punch or two. And even if someone said murder they would probably wouldn't mean it literally. We don't want anyone to die, okay? Hey, I never said anything about murder either, I'm talking more about the sheer volume of threats, though I have seen a few people go a chunk beyond just punches and such too. I don't want to overstate anything, but that ain't a reason to understate it either. I ain't trying to pick sides about the fandom's attitude, that's just a bit to meta for me! |
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Post by fish on Mar 16, 2015 23:56:46 GMT
I can't abide by whatever thought process allows someone to think "I am upset, I will respond with hateful and violent words" and not be horrified by themselves. There is never an excuse to say someone should die. That's fine. I personally can't abide people who are judgmental about others regarding things that aren't actually that terrible or serious. There's no good reason to try and shame people for their preferred form of harmless entertainment. Looks like, while I was writing down my new theory about Anthony, I missed how the thread turned to a rather serious discussion.  I actually kind of agree with both of you. I find the exaggerations entertaining (though I myself prefer understatements as a humoristic device), but I do not enjoy it when people throw around death threats like candy on carnival. It's particularly bad in the comment section, I think. But, basser, weren't you the one who just earlier, said you "hate [nothing] more than people harping on about their stupid useless feelings"? Aren't you kind of harping on about some feelings right now? Or maybe I don't know what actual 'harping on about feelings' looks like, I'm not sure. |
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Post by hypixion on Mar 16, 2015 23:56:59 GMT
I haven't seen anyone here say murder, only like give a punch or two. And even if someone said murder they would probably wouldn't mean it literally. We don't want anyone to die, okay? Hey, I never said anything about murder either, I'm talking more about the sheer volume of threats, though I have seen a few people go a chunk beyond just punches and such too. I don't want to overstate anything, but that ain't a reason to understate it either. I ain't trying to pick sides about the fandom's attitude, that's just a bit to meta for me! I quoted the wrong person, sorry dude. |
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Post by Garbage on Mar 16, 2015 23:58:54 GMT
Hey, I never said anything about murder either, I'm talking more about the sheer volume of threats, though I have seen a few people go a chunk beyond just punches and such too. I don't want to overstate anything, but that ain't a reason to understate it either. I ain't trying to pick sides about the fandom's attitude, that's just a bit to meta for me! I quoted the wrong person, sorry dude. Hey, no worries, I've been commenting for a couple days and I'm pretty sure I've made more spelling errors than posts, everybody makes mistakes! |
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Post by hypixion on Mar 17, 2015 0:01:02 GMT
I quoted the wrong person, sorry dude. Hey, no worries, I've been commenting for a couple days and I'm pretty sure I've made more spelling errors than posts, everybody makes mistakes! Ho damn, I feel you there. All the errors I make xd Also, I'm going off-topic here while a few days ago I got annoyed at people going off-topic. |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 17, 2015 0:01:43 GMT
Last time you were here: 24 days later...it begins anew! Exaggeration is a thing people do, I'm afraid. And although there has been quite an backlash of anger at Anthony after this page (where some people may have...overreacted in their statements of what they want to happen to him) it's understandable for several reasons. Anthony is a character of great debate (as so vigorously proved in this thread), and his appearance has been foreshadowed for a long time. When he showed up, and promptly is rude and dismissive towards his daughter (I don't think anyone's debating that), it's natural to get angry. To some degree, it shows we're all protective of Annie as a character. There is a strong possibility that Tom is planning to subvert this initial depiction of Tony and give him good reasons for doing this. Several plausible ways this could happen have already been suggested*. Or, equally possibly, Tom could be doing a double subversion and make him really be as cruel as this page presents. But with the evidence we have so far, I'm currently on the I-greatly-dislike-Tony wagon. But I'm open to changing my opinion when more information is given. *Although, the one thing that bothers me is the publicness with which he criticizes her. There are many more subtle ways to do this, or ways that don't actively hurt his daughter's self-esteem by shaming her in front of her entire class. We know he's not nuanced at picking up social cues (possibly Asperger's) but seriously, this is so extremely unprovoked that I can't believe that would account for all of it. Anything he wanted to say to her (or message he has sent in the bathroom), he could say privately or after class. And I'm still curious about this, which has been lost in the shuffle of anger: Regardless of, um, the second half of this page, I am curious what he will be teaching as the biology teacher here. Perhaps Kat will learn more about biological-machine interfaces? |
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Post by Garbage on Mar 17, 2015 0:04:17 GMT
Hey, no worries, I've been commenting for a couple days and I'm pretty sure I've made more spelling errors than posts, everybody makes mistakes! Ho damn, I feel you there. All the errors I make xd Also, I'm going off-topic here while a few days ago I got annoyed at people going off-topic. Back on topic then; If Tony does get punched as he is likely too, the poor tosspot guy, what do we reckon the situation will be? Where, when, and who? [No need for a why, I think we've sussed that one out already] |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 17, 2015 0:07:35 GMT
Regardless of, um, the second half of this page, I am curious what he will be teaching as the biology teacher here. What parts of the skeletal structure are best for use as makeshift surgical tools in the field and the life cycles of etheric/carbon-based hybrid life forms. |
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Post by fish on Mar 17, 2015 0:09:31 GMT
Back on topic then; If Tony does get punched as he is likely too, the poor tosspot guy, what do we reckon the situation will be? Where, when, and who? [No need for a why, I think we've sussed that one out already] Eglamore, once the 'Ties'-gang reunites, after somebody brings up Surma. |
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Post by hypixion on Mar 17, 2015 0:11:44 GMT
... *Although, the one thing that bothers me is the publicness with which he criticizes her. There are many more subtle ways to do this, or ways that don't actively hurt his daughter's self-esteem by shaming her in front of her entire class. We know he's not nuanced at picking up social cues (possibly Asperger's) but seriously, this is so extremely unprovoked that I can't believe that would account for all of it. Anything he wanted to say to her (or message he has sent in the bathroom), he could say privately or after class. And I'm still curious about this, which has been lost in the shuffle of anger: Regardless of, um, the second half of this page, I am curious what he will be teaching as the biology teacher here. Perhaps Kat will learn more about biological-machine interfaces? I just think he is just harsh/stern/ a dick. Maybe his overreaction is just because he really dislikes make-up and genuinely thinks it looks ridiculous, maybe it reminds him too much of Surma or it could be that he just thinks that he is the boss and is allowed to act like this, his words are law and they should not be spoken against. So that's why he is so direct with. I have heard teacher say the same about piercing in class. Also: Are people who have Asperger's even allowed to teach? A person with an position of authority needs to be aware of what he can do and what not. I don't think he will be teaching them bio-engineering or something like that. The court probably won't like that. Ho damn, I feel you there. All the errors I make xd Also, I'm going off-topic here while a few days ago I got annoyed at people going off-topic. Back on topic then; If Tony does get punched as he is likely too, the poor tosspot guy, what do we reckon the situation will be? Where, when, and who? [No need for a why, I think we've sussed that one out already] Probably Jimmy Jims for his behavior towards Annie. |
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Post by wombat on Mar 17, 2015 0:14:17 GMT
As someone who made a joking statement about Kat killing Anthony, I personally don't feel bad about making statements about the deaths of fictional characters. I can see why some people would find it upsetting, and I'm sorry for that.
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Post by feraldog on Mar 17, 2015 0:27:57 GMT
Also: Are people who have Asperger's even allowed to teach? A person with an position of authority needs to be aware of what he can do and what not. Depends on the severity. I for one am not on the 'he's autistic' bandwagon. ETA:If there is some mental or psychological problem, his behavior is more in line with emotional repression and/or social anxiety. I don't think he is missing social cues or misinterpreting them, instead he has major personal hangups that prevented him from talking to Brinnie. Given how similar Annie was to him at the start of the comic, I really think he either never got help or else regressed after Annie was born. Add in that he probably doesn't like his daughter... Well, why would he act any other way toward her? |
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Post by wombat on Mar 17, 2015 0:32:58 GMT
Also: Are people who have Asperger's even allowed to teach? A person with an position of authority needs to be aware of what he can do and what not. Yes, they're definitely allowed to. I'm in a teacher preparation program, and a classmate of mine is Autistic. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 17, 2015 0:33:58 GMT
Regardless of, um, the second half of this page, I am curious what he will be teaching as the biology teacher here. ... and the life cycles of etheric/carbon-based hybrid life forms. Winner winner chicken dinner! I think he is going to be indirectly teach Annie what he learned about Surma. This being the first step in convincing Annie to let him excise the fire-elemental within her. He tried excise the fire-elemental without Annie knowing (the bone spikes in Divine) and that failure may have convinced him that he needs Annie's cooperation. I also like the idea that Kat will be the only one who really gets what he is teaching. Then Kat will figure out how to apply it to her work with the bots. And Boxbot will give Anthony such a spanking... |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 17, 2015 0:35:21 GMT
Also: Are people who have Asperger's even allowed to teach? A person with an position of authority needs to be aware of what he can do and what not. Yes, they're definitely allowed to. I'm in a teacher preparation program, and a classmate of mine is Autistic. Conversely, my cousin has a strain of Asperger's that tends towards violence. I doubt she would be allowed to, but it's not inherently about the autism in that case, it's about the effects it has on her behavior. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 17, 2015 0:40:08 GMT
I've been thinking this all day and I have to let it out...
Annie, I feel for you and this situation will be hard to bear, but if you really want to remember what "sucks" really looks like, go visit Zimmy.
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Post by wombat on Mar 17, 2015 0:44:34 GMT
I've been thinking this all day and I have to let it out... Annie, I feel for you and this situation will be hard to bear, but if you really want to remember what "sucks" really looks like, go visit Zimmy. Eh, suckage is a spectrum, and this falls somewhere along that gradient. Just not as far along as Zimmy. |
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Post by hypixion on Mar 17, 2015 0:46:39 GMT
I've been thinking this all day and I have to let it out... Annie, I feel for you and this situation will be hard to bear, but if you really want to remember what "sucks" really looks like, go visit Zimmy. It's not because someone else has it worse you cannot feel bad for yourself. |
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Post by lit on Mar 17, 2015 0:47:03 GMT
Because aside from some harsh words and questionable motives and actions we have no indication of him being a bad person. I don't get why people are keen to support this character right now when the majority of what we know about him is that he abandoned his daughter for three years and his first interaction with her upon returning is to humiliate her in front of her peers. There could be more information presented about him and his motives later - but we don't have any of that yet, just a sad child. So yeah, I'm a little perplexed. |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 17, 2015 0:48:02 GMT
I've been thinking this all day and I have to let it out... Annie, I feel for you and this situation will be hard to bear, but if you really want to remember what "sucks" really looks like, go visit Zimmy. It's not because someone else has it worse you cannot feel bad for yourself. |
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Post by November on Mar 17, 2015 0:49:20 GMT
As someone pointed out last page, in a flashback we see that Anthony used to be right-handed. And when Annie was in the infirmary, there were five bone pillars coming down from the sky. Now, realise that we were never shown Anthonys right hand in that scene. This time, it's not just convenient, it's deliberate. Anthony is not just writing with his left hand, he's also keeping his right hand in his pocket. Tom is not showing us Anthony's right hand. Why? Because either a) his fingers on his right hand are just bones, or b) they were burnt to a crisp from trying to grab the fire elemental part of Annie. |
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Post by goldenknots on Mar 17, 2015 1:00:40 GMT
Also: Are people who have Asperger's even allowed to teach? A person with an position of authority needs to be aware of what he can do and what not. It seems fairly clear that I'm on the spectrum, probably Asperger's, and teaching is how I relate best to people. ("Best" as in "at all", generally.) |
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Post by fish on Mar 17, 2015 1:22:58 GMT
As someone pointed out last page, in a flashback we see that Anthony used to be right-handed. And when Annie was in the infirmary, there were five bone pillars coming down from the sky. Now, realise that we were never shown Anthonys right hand in that scene. This time, it's not just convenient, it's deliberate. Anthony is not just writing with his left hand, he's also keeping his right hand in his pocket. Tom is not showing us Anthony's right hand. Why? Because either a) his fingers on his right hand are just bones, or b) they were burnt to a crisp from trying to grab the fire elemental part of Annie. Nice catch! Though I think, if Tony wanted to hide his right hand from sight he'd wear gloves in class. The next page is needed for clarification. Right now. The next page, please. Come on! |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 17, 2015 1:23:22 GMT
a) his fingers on his right hand are just bones, "And these, children, are called the metacarpals . . . " |
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