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Post by Weeaboo on Mar 16, 2015 18:47:48 GMT
Wait a second...   The resemblance is uncanny! |
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Post by zimmyzims on Mar 16, 2015 18:55:21 GMT
To be more precise, we don't know at all how seriously he is taking the parenting. We know he has intervened with Antimony twice since leaving her to school that he for good reasons thought is the best place for her. [...] Objection! It was Surma's wish that Annie continue her education at Gunnerkrigg Court. For all we know Anthony might have been against it. But I agree, we have not seen any evidence that he is not taking his role as a parent seriously. Never! I am sticking with my Anthony- and Zimmingham-userbars until the bitter end, since I enjoy those storylines the most!  Um.... it being uncomfortable doesn't mean I'm not gonna continue doing it. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Mar 16, 2015 19:07:44 GMT
Tony, my man, never go full Gendo. My thoughts, exactly, he's Gendou Ikari, only in this case, Shinji Ikari and Rei Anayami are the same person (Annie isn't a clone of her mother, but she has her lifeforce, and looks close enough to her that most people mistake her for her mom...). How come antisocial assholes like Gendou and Anthony Carver get the most popular, beautiful and smart girl in the class? It's the flipside of the "sad girl" phenomenon. They want someone they can transform to make them feel useful/powerful/good/meaningful/valuable/whatevers. There is an inherent flaw in that of course but I'll restrain the need to expound. The last time I posted a theory on why someone's bad point(s) can be reasons why some couples work out people seemed to become unsettled. Since the Anthony/Ikari Gendo comparison has come up again I'll mention for the benefit of newcomers to the forum that I explored the idea in a fancomic back in 2012. |
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Post by fwip on Mar 16, 2015 19:08:11 GMT
We need an "Anthony defender" or "Anthony supporter" userbar.
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Post by Thing on Mar 16, 2015 19:22:27 GMT
Damn, Tom is really not holding back with all this recent stuff. Torn Sea was absolutely brilliant and awe-inspiring. And now mr. Carver shows up and I'm again just stunned how gracefully Tom unfolds these narrative events. The thing that really struck me in this page (as well as in Torn Sea) is just the amount of foreshadowing and setting these events up that Tom has laid down over the years, and I mean YEARS. I looked back at the end of chapter 12 someone pointed out in last thread, and according to comic-portal site that I use, it was released 10.9.2007 (Though might be even a bit older, don't know if dates match). DAMN. This exact page that we are reading now has been planned and built up for over 7 years. The happenings of Torn Sea for propably even longer. And again I have been just stunned and thrilled to be here and see these thing fold out. Godspeed Tom. |
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Post by sidhekin on Mar 16, 2015 19:37:24 GMT
Oh yeah, also: People keep saying the scar on his lip is from Zimmy punching him in 'Divine'. But since I'm still not convinced she actually tele-punched him through the aether, or that he was actually shooting bone lasers at Annie, I believe that scar and/or the scar on his nose (if that is actually a scar) came from a bloody fist fight with James in the past. Aah, I really hope so. A flashback like that would be glorious! I doubt it. I see no sign of it in this flashback. |
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Post by Garbage on Mar 16, 2015 19:51:45 GMT
Looking at the amount Tony's appearance has changed in the way's it has, I think it is more than just Tom's improvements, I side with the theory that he needed that scalpel and such from microsat 5 in order to perform operations on himself, and/or wherever he's been he was malnourished. Tom will hopefully explain the whole thing somehow and we can only hope it answers more questions than it raises!
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 16, 2015 19:52:37 GMT
Um...theoretically...just for the sake of argument. Could the students at this point, with all of their various special abilities, actually take out Anthony? Could Kat rally every robot in the court against him? Could Annie burn him to a little pile of ashes? Could Parley tele-frag him with her sword skills? Could Janet snipe him from a rooftop? Could Zimmy warp reality and destroy the whole universe? Would Paz ask a Rhino politely to impale him against a wall? And then would Smitty just stand there and make sure everything came together in their favor by existing? And could Anthony just laser them from outer space like an ace? He'll nuke the entire site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure. |
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Post by ctso74 on Mar 16, 2015 19:55:39 GMT
Oh yeah, also: People keep saying the scar on his lip is from Zimmy punching him in 'Divine'. But since I'm still not convinced she actually tele-punched him through the aether, or that he was actually shooting bone lasers at Annie, I believe that scar and/or the scar on his nose (if that is actually a scar) came from a bloody fist fight with James in the past. Aah, I really hope so. A flashback like that would be glorious! If it did leave a mark, I always imagined it only showing up in the Ether, like Annie's cut. I wonder if Annie will ethereally look at him by chapters end? Zimmy punch or not, I wonder what she'll see? |
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Post by Deepbluediver on Mar 16, 2015 19:59:39 GMT
Anthony "Tony" Carver might well end up being a loathsome human being who deserves to be kicked in the head and turned into a dung beetle. I'm hoping that's not the case, because if for no other reason it would leave Annie figuratively orphaned, and I hate to see people not getting along with their parents. Hey, don't worry about it; Annie's still got Reynardine and Ysengrin! Dog parents are the best parents! Leaving aside the fact that Reynardine is a killer and Ysengrin is insane.... She's got the Dolans, too, as well as Eglamore, Jones, Parley and Smitty, anyone she met during that summer in the forest, and probably more people that I've forgotten. But having good friends, mentors, and confidants is not the same as knowing your family has got your back. I say this as someone who comes from a good family and has an excellent relationship with their parents- there's nothing else quite like it. Even a mediocre relationship still offers plenty of benefits over a non-existent one IMO. Yes there are plenty of stories, both real and fictional, about people who had terrible relatives and eventually found their "real" family, but in my mind that kind of misses the point of all the horrible things people usually have to go through first before they reach that stage. Thus far in the story, Annie has proven repeatedly (admittedly that might be my opinion as well) that she wants to believe her father is a good man and loves her, and she wants to be on good terms with him. It would be heartbreaking to me to see those hopes dashed. |
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Post by hypixion on Mar 16, 2015 20:17:02 GMT
Ah yes, you've touched a nerve here, haha. I think you are over-simplifying the issue here by calling Tony's feelings for Annie 'hate'. Now I'm not saying a parent is not able to hate their child but(!) a parent cannot hate their child just like any person can hate another person. First of all, we like to throw around words like 'love' and 'hate' and often forget that those words describe really powerful emotions. Most of the time I am just annoyed or angry at somebody, actual hate is reserved for very special people and my decision to hate somebody is almost irreversible. But when a parent hates their child (death of the other parent at birth is, I think, the most likely reason for such a situation), this feeling of hate will be mixed with a feeling guilt. Because they know the child is not responsible for the situation, cannot be held responsible! But they feel the unreasonable anger and disdain anyway, even though they are expected by everybody to care for this child. And they know they should care but they can't. This mixture of hate and guilt is quite toxic and will eat away at them. If Anthony is indeed a 'normal' person like you claim (whatever the alternative may be) and if he still does blame Annie for Surmas death, then under that cold and calm surface should be a raging storm of self-contempt. ...or at least I hope so. I hope he is suffering. And because Tony is actually Annie's dad, I don't think the Snape-comparison applies. Snape was free to hate Harry all he wanted, he was not supposed to care for him. (Comparisonst of GC to HP do not often hold up in my opinion). Disclaimer: I am not expert on these issues and I hope I didn't overstep my limits with this comment. Please do correct me if I'm wrong with anything.
P.S.: Has anybody here seen 'The Babadook'? Great movie dealing with similar issues!Do you know that feeling when you think you have figured it all out, write it down and post it feeling all great and a few hours later you decide it was all just crap when you re-read it? I have that now. This is why I left the forum for a while. Hmmm, I think I'll leave the big theories to the experts and will keep to stating my humble opinions. Anthony doesn't like Annie. Not proven!!! I didn't mean to state it as fact, it was my wild theory, after re-reading my post with a clear mind I realize I have jumped to fast to a conclusion. |
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Post by arkadi on Mar 16, 2015 20:36:34 GMT
O hai, Mr. Anthony Carver, aka Douchebag of the Year 2015  Congratulations, you managed to fall below my already low expectations in one single page. Tony, my man, never go full Gendo. My thoughts, exactly, he's Gendou Ikari, only in this case, Shinji Ikari and Rei Anayami are the same person (Annie isn't a clone of her mother, but she has her lifeforce, and looks close enough to her that most people mistake her for her mom...). How come antisocial assholes like Gendou and Anthony Carver get the most popular, beautiful and smart girl in the class? That said Antimony's mom had a darker side of her own, so maybe their love was a mutual attraction between assholes... Anyways, that guy is asking to be eaten by furry wood demigods, disenboweled by sword-wielding robots, prematurely being taken away by psicopomps or turned into a giant caterpillar by Coyote...Antimony is going to spend a few chapters protecting his life from her own friends. Mmmm...I suspect this could be the drop that makes the bucket overflow and push Annie to side with Coyote against the Court. I... stopped watching that anime because I just couldn't deal with my urges to punch Gendo Ikari in the face every time he showed up. I really, really hope Anthony Carver won't be the thing that'll make me stop reading Gunnerkrigg Court. I don't want to stop reading Gunnerkrigg Court  PD: Being a high school teacher myself, Carver's abysmal FAIL strikes particularly close to home |
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Post by Shire on Mar 16, 2015 20:41:39 GMT
Leaving aside the fact that Reynardine is a killer and Ysengrin is insane.... Yeah, Renard is a killer friend and Ysengrin is insane about spending quality time with Annie! I mean, look at that! That's just the sort of father-daughter bonding Annie needs. Well, I don't exactly have a lot of experience in the matter either, but it seems to me that if your family situation is bad, it's bad regardless of whether or not you go through a bunch of stuff to get out it, and it's only once you're out that you realise your family members don't have to be related to you. Annie does want Anthony's love, but if he is as big a jerk as today's page makes him out to be, then she really doesn't need him. 'Cause she's got dog parents! The best kind of parents! |
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Post by Corvo on Mar 16, 2015 21:33:45 GMT
We need an "Anthony defender" or "Anthony supporter" userbar.  [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NksAwPf.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WH6uyx9.png[/IMG] |
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Post by fish on Mar 16, 2015 21:36:12 GMT
Oh yeah, also: People keep saying the scar on his lip is from Zimmy punching him in 'Divine'. But since I'm still not convinced she actually tele-punched him through the aether, or that he was actually shooting bone lasers at Annie, I believe that scar and/or the scar on his nose (if that is actually a scar) came from a bloody fist fight with James in the past. Aah, I really hope so. A flashback like that would be glorious! I doubt it. I see no sign of it in this flashback. Glob DAMMIT! You're right, I forgot about that! Now I need to reconsider my view on 'Divine' since the tele-punch is the only explanation of the scar that is left, at least until now. Grrr! Do you know that feeling when you think you have figured it all out, write it down and post it feeling all great and a few hours later you decide it was all just crap when you re-read it? I have that now. This is why I left the forum for a while. Hmmm, I think I'll leave the big theories to the experts and will keep to stating my humble opinions. Oh, yeah, I get that feeling, too. Which is why I rarely post comments with more then five sentences in them (today is an exception because of an excepional update). And which is why I regulary go back to old threads and delete old, embarassing comments, if possible. I can't bear to look at them, or the thought that someone else might. Please don't let my reply deject you! Having the drive to sit down and write up a long theory only shows that you care about the story! |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 16, 2015 21:40:35 GMT
If it did leave a mark, I always imagined it only showing up in the Ether, like Annie's cut. If he views etheric stuff as something that needs to be excised, it may be that he actually cut into himself to remove any residual etheric effects that Zimmy may have left in him. EDIT: Oh! Or maybe he didn't see it as a threat, but he cut himself open anyway in order to study what kind of effect it might have had to his physical body! |
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Post by sebastian on Mar 16, 2015 21:46:41 GMT
I don't give a crap what his reasons are, his actions are cold, horrid and inexcusable. And I think that's the thing we're supposed to take away from this- Tom has framed this carefully so we will hate this man. I feel supported by authorial intent- whatever brought Anthony Carver to this point- I don't care. I care about Annie. I could agree with you, except this is Tom we are talking about, you can't trust him. I mean do you remember "Red return"? Remember how he set red to look like a jerk? How she was supposed to be wrong and she had to learn a lesson about friendship? but she didn't! she was right! Blue wasn't friend with her because her hair wasn't up anymore, not because she treated her like dirt, so in your face, guys. So, yeah, maybe he is just setting up Tony to be a jerk just to show he have actually good reasons and he is not so bad But then he is Tom so maybe he is setting up Tony to be a jerk only to shock us when he reveal he is an even bigger jerk, who know? |
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Mar 16, 2015 22:05:25 GMT
Wilbur is pissed because he secretly uses makeup to hide his acne.
I'm like 80% certain he's here because he heard about what happened on the ocean liner, and has some inscrutable reason for why he found it unacceptable. It's also possible that whatever mission he's been on simply took him back to Gunnerkrigg.
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Post by exuberancium on Mar 16, 2015 22:23:33 GMT
What are you up to, Carver?
I suspect that someone is outside waiting for Annie, and this is her father's extremely un-subtle way of getting her to leave the room.
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Post by Señor Goose on Mar 16, 2015 22:25:49 GMT
Can Zimmy show up and punch him in the face again? Speaking of, there's just the barest hint of a cleft along his upper lip, which could be a scar. On the left side of his face, too, which is the same one that got socked. Ooh! I was gonna say that! |
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Post by basser on Mar 16, 2015 23:09:42 GMT
I don't understand why so many of you feel it's appropriate to respond to a man being kind of a jerk with all these threats of horrific and grotesque violence. It's really sickening to read, you know. Especially since the transgression sparking it is an extremely mild act of public shaming upon a girl who, it should be noted, is indeed wearing ridiculous makeup. Highly ironic, in fact, considering the conversation at present is essentially "Tony is being kind of a dick... LET'S GODDAMN MURDER HIM". You can't honestly think that isn't making you look several thousand times worse than the man you're pissed off at.
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 16, 2015 23:16:07 GMT
I don't understand why so many of you feel it's appropriate to respond to a man being kind of a jerk with all these threats of horrific and grotesque violence. Tony is a fictional character and hyperbole is the stuff the internet is made of. Well, hyperbole along with cats and porn, of course. Point is, I figure since it's not serious there's no need to take it as if it is. |
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Post by hypixion on Mar 16, 2015 23:17:32 GMT
I don't understand why so many of you feel it's appropriate to respond to a man being kind of a jerk with all these threats of horrific and grotesque violence. It's really sickening to read, you know. Especially since the transgression sparking it is an extremely mild act of public shaming upon a girl who, it should be noted, is indeed wearing ridiculous makeup. Highly ironic, in fact, considering the conversation at present is essentially "Tony is being kind of a dick... LET'S GODDAMN MURDER HIM". You can't honestly think that isn't making you look several thousand times worse than the man you're pissed off at. I don't see how anyone wants to murder, saying that other might want too is not the same. |
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Post by nero on Mar 16, 2015 23:19:23 GMT
I hope things start to make sense soon. I just don't see how it could be Anthony. Whatever Anthony?? was doing aged him fast. He probably will keep addressing her throughout the lecture.
Maybe the whole class will walk out if he keeps targeting Annie.
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Post by basser on Mar 16, 2015 23:19:30 GMT
I don't think it should matter if it's serious or not. It isn't something you should say in jest. There's no call for it and the point can be easily made without resorting to murder threats. Going straight for "he should die" in response to something this mild makes you sound like a bloody psychopath no matter whom or what it's in reference to.
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Post by hypixion on Mar 16, 2015 23:22:04 GMT
I don't think it should matter if it's serious or not. It isn't something you should say in jest. There's no call for it and the point can be easily made without resorting to murder threats. Going straight for "he should die" in response to something this mild makes you sound like a bloody psychopath no matter whom or what it's in reference to. It's called exaggeration, everyone does it. |
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Post by basser on Mar 16, 2015 23:23:50 GMT
I don't think it should matter if it's serious or not. It isn't something you should say in jest. There's no call for it and the point can be easily made without resorting to murder threats. Going straight for "he should die" in response to something this mild makes you sound like a bloody psychopath no matter whom or what it's in reference to. It's called exaggeration, everyone does it. I don't. |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 16, 2015 23:26:24 GMT
I don't think it should matter if it's serious or not. It isn't something you should say in jest. There's no call for it and the point can be easily made without resorting to murder threats. Going straight for "he should die" in response to something this mild makes you sound like a bloody psychopath no matter whom or what it's in reference to. I disagree. Words are not actions. Fantasy and reality are different things. Sounding like a bloody psychopath isn't being a bloody psychopath, and I don't think anyone has even sounded like a bloody psychopath in this thread yet anyway. |
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Post by basser on Mar 16, 2015 23:29:33 GMT
I can't abide by whatever thought process allows someone to think "I am upset, I will respond with hateful and violent words" and not be horrified by themselves. There is never an excuse to say someone should die.
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Post by Garbage on Mar 16, 2015 23:30:18 GMT
While I agree that the level of threats and anger/disdain in general towards Tony is undeserved and overly assuming, i feel it's a little out of place for anyone to assume these are all either legitmate OR exaggerated, as its gonna be a mix. Either way, it is both entertaining as well as a bit much at this point.
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Congratulations, you managed to fall below my already low expectations in one single page.
