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Post by Ophel on Sept 26, 2014 23:50:14 GMT
Did I forget any clichés? Oh, yeah she'd have to look exactly like Tom, but hotter. Really, the only flag(s) that you need to worry about is if she was to refer to herself as goffik (And possibly insult people by calling them preps). But, if she starts describing what she wears in the same hue as her skin right now though, then all bets are off: you win. Sorry Tom. We're just kidding. You write best story. Five out of two chartreuses. (I'm not rich, I'm sorry) I hope Tom won't be alarmed about the comparisons of Jenny to Luna... Well, I hope he takes it in stride/as a complement. Never meant to compare;Jenny reminds me of Luna because of Jenny's quirks (which is her polite spell, and that's just the one). I won't go so far as comparing the two, for I can't: to me, they are dissimilar. Except the magic using part. ... Now that I think about it, Jenny can actually be a converse to Annie. Apologies if this was brought up before but, as the two are both magic users: Annie appears like an ordinary girl, who wears make up a bit, but was quite stoic. However, Jenny looks unconventional, and may wear lots of makeup to keep her complexion that way (maybe. I dunno), but is quite friendly. TL;DR - Chalk up one more for another Red Oni, Blue Oni pair. But, I'm not noticing carrying the scar here? I wonder if that means anything... It's the reveal: They were not sent to Zimmingham. Zimmingham was sent into the real world.[/wild speculation] |
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Post by todd on Sept 26, 2014 23:53:19 GMT
Annie appears like an ordinary girl, who wears make up a bit, but was quite stoic. "Was" is the word. |
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Post by m0rtimer on Sept 26, 2014 23:59:48 GMT
Yea, that was something I was considering myself- In previous encounters, people who were closer enough got "zapped" into there- And whatever happened, seemed to happen in the blink of an eye for outsiders, or at the very least not nearly as long.
...Actually, that's another big difference here- They in some form have contact with the outside world through that ship. So we're definitely dealing with something on a whole new level here- The question is just what. And why the hell the robots were changed if nothing else was changed...
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Post by Ophel on Sept 27, 2014 0:05:30 GMT
That's because she never was a jealous girlfriend. Maybe not, but at the very least Tom wanted us to think she was, with the over-the-shoulder death glare. That's too subtle to ignore  . On the other hand, I'm still having trouble interpreting the "why, helloooo." What tone is Jenny supposed to be using? What does she mean by it? Originally I thought it was kind of mock friendly, like "why, helloooo girl that my boyfriend is being to friendly to, nice to meet you!", but given that Jenny turned out to be genuinely friendly and cool, maybe she meant that as a cheerful greeting and we all misinterpreted it... I's confuzzled. I was trying to go through various voices in my head to actually try and fit that as unsilly as possible. I got only two: One of the merchant lady that greets you and sells stuff from the Merchant's Guild in Denerim from Kingdom of Amalur: Reckoning (cool game), and the Morticia Addams (again) from the animated series. Still don't know where that's going. :/ Annie appears like an ordinary girl, who wears make up a bit, but was quite stoic. "Was" is the word. Yep! Hence. |
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Post by KMar on Sept 27, 2014 0:40:44 GMT
Oh, also, that drone is freaking fast for an impromptu-built civilian drone. That trip should have taken at least a couple hours. Jack obviously goes to the Mr Donlan school of engineeringWell, Jack probably does go to his classes. |
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Post by ctso74 on Sept 27, 2014 0:51:29 GMT
I'm still baffled at how Jack was able to so quickly create such a sophisticated drone able to travel all the way back to the school. While Jenny's spell is pretty awesome, if what they sent didn't need to be able to travel that whole distance, then why not just use a paper airplane. I'm thoroughly impressed by both Jenny and Jack's ability to work quick. We still don't know Jenny's range of abilities. She may have done an area Time Stop, allowing more time for Jack. Well, Jack probably does go to his classes. Those would be some awesome classes! |
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Post by bykerhill on Sept 27, 2014 2:43:56 GMT
I've been thinking about why Annie doesn't have her red facial cut this time around.
Last time we saw Annie in Birminghell without it, it was because she was actually Zimmy. I don't think that's the case this time. Annie-Zimmy had tells; she would sometimes lapse into Zimmy-think and she had dark circles around her eyes. Also, we've seen that this Annie is communicating with her blinker stone, and I think only the real Annie could do that.
I think the most likely answer is that it's because of the paper suppressor on her. If it is locking down her etheric abilities, it may also dampen her etheric form.
Another possibility, which I think someone brought up already, is that Annie and company aren't in Birminghell proper, but a different place being created by the reality-warp. It's possible that Kat and Paz are in Birminghell and everyone else is in a pocket realm of some sort within the ship, or in the real world being modified.
A third possibility is that Annie's wound somehow healed, or has gone on walkabout and attached itself to Zimmy again. In Divine, we saw Zimmy sporting Annie's cut and having to rip it off. It's possible something like that is going on again, even if I'm not entirely clear on why.
The final thing I can think of is the most far-fetched. Look at the start of this chapter. At the time I remember thinking that it was almost a dreamlike way to begin. It is possible that nothing that has happened this chapter is real... that this is all someone's dream or vision, like we saw in Divine. In which case Annie wouldn't have her mark because she wouldn't really be in Birminghell. It would also explain why Jenny looks like Zimmy, and why the Seraphs don't seem to fear the Court dropping the hammer on them. This does seem a bit of a stretch to me, though.
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Post by todd on Sept 27, 2014 10:44:34 GMT
The final thing I can think of is the most far-fetched. Look at the start of this chapter. At the time I remember thinking that it was almost a dreamlike way to begin. It is possible that nothing that has happened this chapter is real... that this is all someone's dream or vision, like we saw in Divine. In which case Annie wouldn't have her mark because she wouldn't really be in Birminghell. It would also explain why Jenny looks like Zimmy, and why the Seraphs don't seem to fear the Court dropping the hammer on them. This does seem a bit of a stretch to me, though. "It-was-all-a-dream" revelations tend to be unsatisfactory - and since this chapter's advancing the "robot religion centered around Kat" arc, a "none of this really happened" would be even more unsatisfactory. The only way for it to not feel like a cop-out-ending would be if the dream was being sent to Annie by some powerful etheric being who was concerned about the direction of Robot's sermons and wanted her to head things off before the robot religion became dangerous (at least, dangerous from the perspective of that etheric being), and if Annie's actions after that shaped the story. I don't think Tom meant the first page to seem dream-like. I think he cut from the first panel (Lindsey's pool) to the next (the cruise ship) for literary economy (nothing happens of importance to the story on the journey there, so no point in depicting it - just skip it to get to the story sooner), and didn't expect that anyone would interpret it as unreal. |
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Post by thedoctor on Sept 27, 2014 14:14:12 GMT
The final thing I can think of is the most far-fetched. Look at the start of this chapter. At the time I remember thinking that it was almost a dreamlike way to begin. It is possible that nothing that has happened this chapter is real... that this is all someone's dream or vision, like we saw in Divine. In which case Annie wouldn't have her mark because she wouldn't really be in Birminghell. It would also explain why Jenny looks like Zimmy, and why the Seraphs don't seem to fear the Court dropping the hammer on them. This does seem a bit of a stretch to me, though. "It-was-all-a-dream" revelations tend to be unsatisfactory - and since this chapter's advancing the "robot religion centered around Kat" arc, a "none of this really happened" would be even more unsatisfactory. The only way for it to not feel like a cop-out-ending would be if the dream was being sent to Annie by some powerful etheric being who was concerned about the direction of Robot's sermons and wanted her to head things off before the robot religion became dangerous (at least, dangerous from the perspective of that etheric being), and if Annie's actions after that shaped the story. I don't think Tom meant the first page to seem dream-like. I think he cut from the first panel (Lindsey's pool) to the next (the cruise ship) for literary economy (nothing happens of importance to the story on the journey there, so no point in depicting it - just skip it to get to the story sooner), and didn't expect that anyone would interpret it as unreal. I was one of the ones guessing "dream sequence," and I think I said that not because of the abrupt cut, but because the emotions felt too...bright, for lack of a better word, in those opening sequences. It looked a little fake. I wouldn't go with that now, tho. |
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Post by keef on Sept 27, 2014 15:04:06 GMT
So hey, long-time reader and lurker, first post... No big deal, generally. Hey welcome! If you're a long-time lurker, you probably know we have everything here, art, religion, shipping forecasts, a real god, cartoons, avatars and userbars, speculation so wild it makes your head spin, and an introduction thread   And some more embarrassing placesHow much do you want to bet that those people are nobodys? No scar and I think no nobodys yet: I think they are still in the outskirts of Greater Zimmingham (Zimcity); the closer to Zimmy, the weirder things get. Or the fact that there are so many people from the court now lost in Zimmy's mind, make Zimmingham look more like the Court. |
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Post by shadowhunter on Sept 27, 2014 15:17:40 GMT
I think they are still in the outskirts of [...] Zimcity [...] I think this might be my favourite name for it so far. And this page made me realise that one of the only times Annie's lost her abilities, she has her hair tied up. I wonder if that was an intentional reference to the whole hair-fire symbolism thing Tom discussed in the videos. |
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 27, 2014 17:23:17 GMT
Once again I question what precisely Jenny's powers are. They seem to have a lot of finesse. Also, Jenny looks...inhuman in panel 2. Honestly, her skin tone has never been...normal...as it is. Whether or not I'm right about the Coyote hypothesis, I'm pretty sure she's NOT entirely human. For me, it was her eyes that looked...off in this panel. |
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Post by todd on Sept 27, 2014 22:24:18 GMT
And why the hell the robots were changed if nothing else was changed... Maybe because the robots are inorganic - machines, if with an etheric component that gives them the capacity for independent thought - rather than flesh-and-blood beings like the students. (I'd be tempted to add "poetic justice" to the list of reasons - since they were the ones responsible for the ship being brought into Zimmy's world - but I get the impression that Zimmy's world is indifferent to such matters - is probably as amoral as the Lovecraftian places and entities it's so often compared to.) |
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Post by Ophel on Sept 28, 2014 0:18:38 GMT
You know what would be funny? It's if this all ends with a silly ending where the ship (with the students inconveniently stuck to the surface of the ship's new-found silicon-based meat, because the ship doesn't want any students overboard. that would be terrible!) gets all mushy with Lindsey where it gives her a bouquet of wires fashioned into some flowers Lindsey has never seen before and she turns him down but then the students urges Lindsey to at least hang out with the poor guy so she accepts the ship offer to hangout, and the someone makes a quip about the things that happened and everybody laughs and so the ship, at least, gets to hang out with Lindsey! |
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Post by smurfton on Sept 28, 2014 2:08:11 GMT
I've probably been reading too many mystery stories lately, and started subconsciously seeing this as a who-done-it. Next thing you know, I'll be imagining Jack inviting Annie, Kat, and seven other students to some out-of-the-way part of the Court for another "Faraway Morning"-type party, then sealing the place off so that nobody and nothing can get in or out and murdering them one by one (or - to avoid getting rid of popular recurring characters permanently - using some half high-tech half magical device he'd developed to turn them into stone or into potted plants or into animals - if that last one, he'd have to either leave Paz off the invites list or make her the first victim so that she can't talk to the other transformed students and find out what happened to them) - then faking his own murder (or petrification or transformation) halfway through to keep anyone from suspecting him, all the while waiting until he confronts Annie as the last survivor to finish her off as well.... Oops, I just did imagine that. So, after one chokes, one oversleeps, one, one is axed, one stung, one goes into chancery, one is swallowed, one gets frizzled up, and one hangs himself, will the police work out it was Jack all along, or will they need the note?
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Post by keef on Sept 28, 2014 10:27:33 GMT
For me, it was her eyes that looked...off in this panel. I think it's a few things. Her eyes are creepily intense with her enjoyment of Zim City. Another thing is her nose ring which in this panel looks like a nostril. What nose ring?  But yeah, she looks creepy in panel two. But she is great avatar material |
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Post by todd on Sept 28, 2014 10:28:23 GMT
Surprised that I got that reference, actually. What's so surprising about that? It's such a famous murder mystery that I'd be more surprised if people hadn't gotten the reference.
I suspect that the ending of this hypothetical would be closer to that of the dramatized adaptation that Christie wrote, rather than that of the book - though heaven knows whom Annie would be marrying. |
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Post by thedoomblahsong on Sept 28, 2014 10:30:32 GMT
Whhhhhhooooooooooaashe doesn't have a nose ring!!! What is my mind??? Ok editing now ^^' |
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Post by arkadi on Sept 28, 2014 20:54:38 GMT
Now that I think about it, Jenny can actually be a converse to Annie. Apologies if this was brought up before but, as the two are both magic users: Annie appears like an ordinary girl, who wears make up a bit, but was quite stoic. However, Jenny looks unconventional, and may wear lots of makeup to keep her complexion that way (maybe. I dunno), but is quite friendly. TL;DR - Chalk up one more for another Red Oni, Blue Oni pair. Sounds legit. And it suggests that we may see more of Jenny after this chapter, which is something I'm all for ^^ Seriously, I'd love to have her as a regular character. But, I'm not noticing carrying the scar here? I wonder if that means anything... It's the reveal: They were not sent to Zimmingham. Zimmingham was sent into the real world.[/wild speculation] Eeyup. Annie's astral/spirit form always sports the scar that Jeanne left on her cheek. But this isn't Annie's astral form we're seeing: it's her flesh-and-blood body. Unlike previous manifestations of Zimmingham, this is no mere hallucination: this is a dreadful mash-up of Zimmingham and the real world. That's what the Seraphs meant by "a level six etheric distortion". |
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Post by todd on Sept 28, 2014 23:13:35 GMT
Unlike previous manifestations of Zimmingham, this is no mere hallucination: this is a dreadful mash-up of Zimmingham and the real world. That's what the Seraphs meant by "a level six etheric distortion". I think that's the most likely explanation, especially since we saw the ship disappearing/being pulled into Zimmy's world in the panel where Jack's drone is speeding away with the blinker stone on board. (And it makes me wonder all the more *what* those robots could possibly have been thinking of. I'd as soon think of setting off a nuclear explosion to make a hole for a swimming pool as I would using Zimmy's abilities to accomplish anything. How closely *did* they read her file?) (I just had a vision of the Seraph robots, while researching Zimmy's printed-out file, accidentally spilling something (just what I don't know - as robots, they wouldn't be eating or drinking anything, and I can't imagine what, other than foodstuffs, might get spilled on a print-out) over part of it that made it illegible, trying to read it and failing, then deciding at last "Oh, well. It couldn't have been anything important." Followed by one of those reveals-only-to-the-audience that the damaged part of the file read "Zimmy's powers are incredibly dangerous, linked to a nightmare world of Nobodies, malevolent spiders that possess people, giant insects, and worse. And she is unable to control them. Do not even THINK of harnessing her abilities for anything! This means you!" - followed by seven skulls.) |
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Post by warrl on Sept 29, 2014 2:53:06 GMT
TL;DR - Chalk up one more for another Red Oni, Blue Oni pair. A bit of an odd one. Brief extracts from TVTropes: Red Oni: passion, wildness, and defiance. A red oni character is often more brawny than brainy, extroverted, enthusiastic, determined, and filled with a zest for life. He is also much more likely to break conventions and rules than his counterpart. Blue Oni: intellectual, proud, traditional, introverted, and cultured (sometimes more spiritual, although that's not guaranteed). Blue oni personalities are often respected by others, but also likely to puzzle or confound their peers because they are difficult to read and have a mysterious quality to them. Now which of those adjectives apply better to Annie, and which to Jenny? Annie: wildness, defiance, brawny (martial arts), breaks conventions and rules, traditional, introverted, puzzling, difficult to read Jenny: extroverted, enthusiastic, zesty, brainy, intellectual (she STUDIES her magic) (Several apply approximately equally to both or don't really fit either. As far as we have seen.) So while the contrast between them is definitely there, each of them is a roughly-equal mix of the two roles. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Sept 29, 2014 5:30:07 GMT
It might then be more accurate to call Jenny Annie's foil.
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Post by arkadi on Sept 29, 2014 12:57:26 GMT
(I just had a vision of the Seraph robots, while researching Zimmy's printed-out file, accidentally spilling something (just what I don't know - as robots, they wouldn't be eating or drinking anything, and I can't imagine what, other than foodstuffs, might get spilled on a print-out) over part of it that made it illegible [...] That'd be oil. Oil is what robots drink; they're famous for doing it |
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Post by Ophel on Sept 29, 2014 13:53:39 GMT
TL;DR - Chalk up one more for another Red Oni, Blue Oni pair. A bit of an odd one. Brief extracts from TVTropes... I guess I'm troping enthusiastically wrong, then.  |
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Post by rosencrantz on Sept 30, 2014 1:36:21 GMT
Looked a bit like Jenny's hand was wandering in the last panel.
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Post by kagredon on Oct 3, 2014 22:18:37 GMT
But, I'm not noticing carrying the scar here? I wonder if that means anything... Yeah, I was wondering about that too, but it looks like she didn't have it when she took Mort into the ether, either. The last time we saw her with it, AFAIK, is during the encounter with the fake seed bismuth. Hmmm. |
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. On the other hand, I'm still having trouble interpreting the "why, helloooo." What tone is Jenny supposed to be using? What does she mean by it? Originally I thought it was kind of mock friendly, like "why, helloooo girl that my boyfriend is being to friendly to, nice to meet you!", but given that Jenny turned out to be genuinely friendly and cool, maybe she meant that as a cheerful greeting and we all misinterpreted it...
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