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Post by csj on Sept 11, 2014 1:40:39 GMT
Why are we making the assumption that only the person contacted will be able to help?
Given that any rescuer will have to deal with a ship full of robots inside an even bigger robot, they may need more than one person helping out
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 11, 2014 2:18:50 GMT
zimmyzims - My perspective on your potential poll answers: Likely:Anja is most likely, because we know she's a strong magic-user and that she has contact with people from the Court who could indeed help with the problem.
Parley/Smitty are second most likely, because they can arrive on scene almost instantly and Parley can finally show how badass she is (again). Plus, she's already beaten one robot in combat, so we know she can do it - and she's the Court's protector(-in-training) so it's kind of part of her job description. The only downside is that I doubt what Parley and Smitty do count as 'magic' to Jenny's occult circle, so they could not contact them directly.
Actually, I think the most likely of all would be if Annie contacted Anja and Anja in turn sent the pair of them, hopefully with Parley bringing the Giggleblade with her. Unlikely:This would be a cool time for Anthony to make his big reveal, especially since it was Zimmy who screwed with his plans before. However, we have no evidence that he has etheric powers - in fact, it's likely he does not.
Jeanne (possibly) has powers, but she's simply an uncontained force who will slaughter the students and the robots. Admittedly, it would be fitting and symmetric for her to take revenge on lovesick robots, who descended from the person who took revenge on her for her lovesickness, so I'd love this if it happened (though I don't think it will).
And though Coyote could certainly solve the problems here if he wanted, it might not be wise to invite him into an already delicate and dangerous situation. Plus, I think he'd find it funnier to escalate the conflict that prevent it.
And finally, Rey, though he'd want to help, can't get there without Parley's help. For that matter, no one but Coyote could, unless we resurrect Kat's gravity ship or somesuch. Impossible:Jones and Eggers don't have any magic powers, as I understand it. Eggers gets his from Anja's computer, while Jones has no abilities beyond indestructibility (which does not, presumably, count as an active magic power). So although they might be great to have in a fight (and Parley could bring them), Annie really can't send her blinker stone to them.
Although he could be contacted, I don't think Ysengrin CAN do anything here. He couldn't arrive without help from Parley (Coyote would never give him another power, nor would the Court), and his powers would be nearly useless on a metal ship. However, it would be epic indeed if he arrived on a ship full of robots that he hated. YS SMASH!! And we can't forget that multiple people could come, or that dark horse(shoe crab) candidates Bud and Lindsey could intervene. And though people may be off on vacation, presumably the copter could find them - given enough time. Or Jack could have added a warp engine to the rotorcraft.
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Post by davidm on Sept 11, 2014 2:36:36 GMT
Jones? Makes little sense as a choice as Jones can't do magic at all, and specified by Jack "stronger magic user the better". Only thing Jones could do is see blinker delivered to her so problem and then give it to someone else. Whoever the someone is, should use it to tell everyone else there is a problem in case solo efforts fail to save the day.
Parley (and Smit)- not clear they can use the stone, but especially if a short note was attached, they might be the fastest option especially if together as blip to Anja, Jones, etc very quickly to create a team at home base.
One not mentioned choice is Lindsey... closest target that might help and might have a way to contact Gunnerkrigg Court in a hurry, especially if Bud is still at the Court. Gamble that Lindsey can contact court and guidance system can reach Lindsey (might be too far underwater)
Another not mentioned choice is... Red. Red and her peers and her teacher if not on the ship are definitely a large group of magic users with likely diverse talents... would notch up the insanity even more.
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 11, 2014 3:42:33 GMT
None of the candidates people have mentioned (Anja, Jones, Parley and Smith, etc.) have been alluded to in this chapter, so their arrival would feel too "deus ex machina". I doubt this term means what you think it means. |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 11, 2014 4:31:48 GMT
Two points don't make a plane, after all. (heh, sorry for the geometry/avionics pun) Interestingly, the fact that two points do not determine a plane is why these are more unstable than a 3-rotor design - there is an axis it can rotate over, leading to instability. Well explained, and precisely the point I was trying to make! It's surprising the design works at all, but the flight geeks have managed to figure out a way, as an engineering challenge more than anything I'm sure, and because they look cool, and perhaps because someone once said it couldn't be done. But they're far from an ideal solution unless you have a very strange problem, like, "I'm a technical genius but I'm trapped on a love-crazy cruise ship. I only have these two rotors, one of which is counter-bladed to the other, some Styrofoam, my calculator watch and 3 paperclips. What can I build?" |
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 11, 2014 5:22:21 GMT
Interestingly, the fact that two points do not determine a plane is why these are more unstable than a 3-rotor design - there is an axis it can rotate over, leading to instability. Well explained, and precisely the point I was trying to make! Woops, sorry for stepping on the pun haha  |
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Post by Elm on Sept 11, 2014 7:14:26 GMT
Why isn't Lindsey a poll option? Even though Jack says he's been trying to contact shore, doesn't mean that Annie has to send it there. I feel like since this whole mess is caused by the ship's wayward affections toward Lindsey, it would be most effective in telling her what is happening on the ship, no? Especially since Lindsey and her husband are caretakers of this year's group of kids. Edit: Whoop, seems like people have already mentioned Lindsey as the most viable choice. I didn't realize the page numbers were on top of the page now; still getting used to the new forums!  |
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Post by mariposa on Sept 11, 2014 7:40:41 GMT
I think the forum owes Jenny and Jack an apology... Or at least, those of us who suspected that their's was a weak and hasty relationship. It seems like they've got something pretty legit going on here! Color me impressed.
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Post by zimmyzims on Sept 11, 2014 9:09:11 GMT
zimmyzims - My perspective on your potential poll answers: Parley bringing the Giggleblade with her. Oh yes, the giggleblade! I had already forgotten about it! And we can't forget that multiple people could come Yes, send it to Anja, and would it not be likely that she'll bring the whole army with her? Anyway, I don't think Annie will make an effective choice. So far all the options to stop the course of events have been rather arbitrarily brought down, which signals, to me, that this is not going to be the battle of kicking robutts, but this really is one step in Kat's path to the robot deity. I mean, the robots have to a certain point get their way. Sure some late manoeuvre will save the day, and that will not only avoid the most tragic turn of events, i.e. all the pupils die, but also provide one tragic turn of events of its own. And whatever it may be, if the function of this chapter serves the prophecy of Kat becoming the robot goddess, then that last turn of events should either smooth the effects of Kat's work to cool that development down temporarily, or serve to further instigate her development to that direction, or which I think is probable, both. That would be, for example, by bringing down the immediate consequences of her work in a way that, maybe through a simple collateral damage leaves a mark to Kat that will in future drag her further from humanity, and generally animality, towards her robot project. |
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Post by fish on Sept 11, 2014 9:52:16 GMT
Jones can't use blinker stones, so I doubt Annie could communicate with her through the ether. Jones would have to guess what this flying contraption with someones bliker stone was all about. My money is on Anja. Where did Jenny find chalk or a pen with a colour that conveniently matches her own... lipstick... waaaait a minute!  Ah, thanks for the infos, guys. I'd agree that directly contacting Jones would be impossible. Getting Anja would be the most rational thing to do, but I'd put my money on George and Smitty. You guys are forgetting, Annie was able to contact Kat despite her lack of etheric powers here.
Edit: Although a good point was made by whoever pointed out that the seeking spell may be limited to living beings. Ah damn, you're right! I jumped too fast to that conclusion.  |
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Post by todd on Sept 11, 2014 10:38:02 GMT
None of the candidates people have mentioned (Anja, Jones, Parley and Smith, etc.) have been alluded to in this chapter, so their arrival would feel too "deus ex machina". I doubt this term means what you think it means. Yes, I realized after writing that that it only counts as "deux ex machina" if they came without being summoned or mentioned. I'd also wondered whether Parley would be away on summer holidays, which would certainly pose trouble - she's the only person who can get a rescue party there in time. |
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Post by chrisjenl on Sept 11, 2014 15:59:48 GMT
I doubt this term means what you think it means. Yes, I realized after writing that that it only counts as "deux ex machina" if they came without being summoned or mentioned. I'd also wondered whether Parley would be away on summer holidays, which would certainly pose trouble - she's the only person who can get a rescue party there in time. That is not really a problem if Smitty need here she teleport to hem and tokeder they can go every were. That is why i think they send the stone to Smitty. The biggist problem if they now Smitty is on holiday and to fare for the flyer |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 11, 2014 16:09:39 GMT
Well explained, and precisely the point I was trying to make! Woops, sorry for stepping on the pun haha No worries; I was a little worried that pun would fly over peoples' heads anyways. ;-) |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Sept 11, 2014 16:16:17 GMT
As for the target of the drone, I put Anja, but I'm thinking both her and Donald. She's got the blinker-stone chops and good for communicating, while her husband is a geek as well. Remember Donny's door and other fun little gadgets like that? Anyways, no need to bip if he can launch something to them by rocket or somesuch (though if they're involved I'm sure we'll see a different mechanism instead.)
I think these two combined are the most sensible choice. They are a powerful duo, they remain calm under pressure, and their investigations into etherics and robotics are of a different "branch" than what the Court robots have evolved (not to mention their personal supercomputer is isolated), so the Court robots shouldn't have any advantage over them. Plus, they would to see first-hand all of the progress their daughter has been making in various fields, which would be a nice growing-up moment.
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Post by chrisjenl on Sept 11, 2014 20:23:40 GMT
Parley (and Smit)- not clear they can use the stone, but especially if a short note was attached, they might be the fastest option especially if together as blip to Anja, Jones, etc very quickly to create a team at home base. I dont understand why they cant use the stone, Kat can and she is have not really more ether filling than Smitty or Parley |
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Post by zimmyzims on Sept 11, 2014 21:12:18 GMT
Oh shiiii.... What an epic fail! I meant to make the poll lock automatically at the time when the next page is published, but it is already locked now. I can't change that. Sorry guys and gals. If it makes you feel any better, I missed the poll too.
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 11, 2014 22:18:06 GMT
Woops, sorry for stepping on the pun haha No worries; I was a little worried that pun would fly over peoples' heads anyways. ;-) NOTHING FLIES OVER MY HEAD ...my reflexes are too fast. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Sept 11, 2014 22:31:30 GMT
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Post by todd on Sept 11, 2014 22:36:14 GMT
One thing I like about Jack here; instead of standing around saying "I told you so", he's working on a solution for their problem.
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Post by thedoctor on Sept 11, 2014 22:37:37 GMT
(Although, come to think of it, George and Reynardine could solve the problem completely between themselves, if Antimony and maybe some suitable representative of the Court permitted it. How? Well, George is needed only to get Reynardine TO the ship. Which has eyes.) Nice! That would be a dramatic finish! I'm still kind of hoping for a moaning ship, crewed by flesh covered nightmare-bots, wandering the seas. After everyone gets off, of course. Parley and Smitty. Ooh, like a new Flying Dutchman! Will Smitty and Parley be together, or even at the Court at all? It is the start of the Summer holiday and they both may off visiting their respective families. Parley's *bip* is the only way to get to the ship quickly (that we've seen) and Smitty may be the only way for her to *bip* to the ship accurately. If they aren't at the Court, then it may be a long time before anyone else can help. If Lindsey is anywhere in the area, then she may be underwater. I don't see the twin-copter being much use unless Lindsey is on the surface. But if Lindsey is anywhere near, I would think she would feel a disturbance generated by the etheric syphons and investigate on her own. I assume Anja and Donald are at the Court, but maybe they are having their own vacation while Kat is on the cruise. Rey is an interesting suggestion. He may be the only individual Annie knows will be in the Court. Annie could send him the stone, explain what has happened, and then get Rey to take the stone to other people. They do (I assume) have cellphones, so vacation is probably not a problem. If Annie sends it to Smitty, he can do the thing, and they're good to go. If she sends it to Parley, she can call Smitty and have him do the thing, and they're good to go! I think it'll be Smitface, but I want it to be Ysenface, if only for the indignant look on his face re: Annie sending him her SOS via contraption. So much yes! That indignant look, then the sort of overprotective father-figure look "THEY WOULD DARE..." You know...only with a ridiculous amount of force behind it to make it scary and comforting at the same time. I'm wondering at the significance of the wink Jennie gave Annie. It seems to mean a little more than 'what do you think?' in response to Annie asking 'You did this?' I'm glad I'm not the only one thinking that! How sure are we that Coyote wouldn't disguise himself as a teen goth and start dating Jack just to spy on the Court and/or visit Annie? We're pretty sure, right? Oh, there's no way he would ever... ... ... Aw crap. You've called it. Look at her color scheme, compared with this... Her skin tone, hair, sweater, and pants are an exact match for the four-color Coyote palette. HOLY CRAP!!! |
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Post by todd on Sept 11, 2014 23:28:33 GMT
I did speculate today (not too seriously) that Jenny might turn out to be Brinnie in disguise, though I don't think Tom will actually go that route.
(It's tempting to imagine Annie crossing paths with Brinnie at some point, particularly now that she knows about how Brinnie had tried to go out with Anthony back during their schooldays - Annie's got to find that at least a little unsettling. And come to think of it, in the original Norse legends, Brynhild *was* surrounded by a ring of fire - put there by Odin, of course, but does tie in with our heroine, all the same.)
Jenny turning out to be Coyote would be pretty creepy in light of the gender - but then, if Loki (also a trickster-god) could become female to seduce a frost giant's horse and become the mother of Odin's horse Sleipnir, there's no reason why Coyote can't enjoy a little gender-switch of his own.
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 12, 2014 4:08:00 GMT
Her skin tone, hair, sweater, and pants are an exact match for the four-color Coyote palette. HOLY CRAP!!! Daaaaaamn. I did not catch that...(though she's missing the brown)... I still don't think it's Coyote, unless he's acquired bewildering powers of deception and subtlety. However, imagine if Annie says to send it to Coyote, and it stays there? |
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Post by fwip on Sept 12, 2014 4:19:44 GMT
Her skin tone, hair, sweater, and pants are an exact match for the four-color Coyote palette. HOLY CRAP!!! Daaaaaamn. I did not catch that...(though she's missing the brown)... I still don't think it's Coyote, unless he's acquired bewildering powers of deception and subtlety. However, imagine if Annie says to send it to Coyote, and it stays there? JackXCoyote confirmed. |
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 12, 2014 4:53:45 GMT
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Post by zbeeblebrox on Sept 12, 2014 5:02:59 GMT
Daaaaaamn. I did not catch that...(though she's missing the brown)... I still don't think it's Coyote, unless he's acquired bewildering powers of deception and subtlety. However, imagine if Annie says to send it to Coyote, and it stays there? JackXCoyote confirmed. Well, Jenny did say:  And there's no stronger magic user to ship Jack with than Coyote ;D |
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Post by fwip on Sept 12, 2014 5:20:09 GMT
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Post by TBeholder on Sept 12, 2014 6:51:33 GMT
Hrm, now I feel like we were SUPPOSED to be inclined to write Jenny off as nothing at first, so we could be surprised by this page. Really? How so? What Tom used here is actually the human transmutation circle from Fullmetal Alchemist (with different symbols). Being a huge fan of the anime/manga, I noticed it immediately. It was a very pleasant surprise when I saw it. Alchemy and Magick use a lot of the same symbols due to a common origin in European mysticism. The circle's used in FMA are based of this While lifting the lowest common denominator is a noble aspiration in itself, the results tend to resemble raising a big cake with forklift: a lot of mess, and then there are only two crumbs on the fork.  Interestingly, the fact that two points do not determine a plane is why these are more unstable than a 3-rotor design - there is an axis it can rotate over, leading to instability. Yet... amusingly, most helicopters got 2 rotors. We have found a consort for the divine RoboKat! Toldyouso... how long ago? |
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Post by eightyfour on Sept 12, 2014 9:57:27 GMT
I've just been thinking... I'm getting a really strange vibe from her on this page. Not quite "Coyote-strange", but there's definitely something not quite human about her. At the very least she's probably older than she looks. She actually reminds me a bit of Jones in that aspect. Her skin tone, hair, sweater, and pants are an exact match for the four-color Coyote palette. HOLY CRAP!!! Sorry to play party-pooper, but no, the colour scheme is nowhere near an "exact" match. Coyote's red is significantly brighter and his blue is duller than Jenny's. Jenny is also lacking both his brown and his white (her skin is very pale, but not white) and she has a grey, which Coyote is lacking. Her colour scheme is similar, at best. The only thing that is an exact match is her black hair. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Sept 12, 2014 12:51:18 GMT
How sure are we that Coyote wouldn't disguise himself as a teen goth and start dating Jack just to spy on the Court and/or visit Annie? We're pretty sure, right? Oh, there's no way he would ever... ... ... Aw crap. You've called it. Look at her color scheme, compared with this... Her skin tone, hair, sweater, and pants are an exact match for the four-color Coyote palette. HOLY CRAP!!! God darnit, she's a proper disguised Coyote! |
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Post by thedoctor on Sept 12, 2014 13:43:19 GMT
I've just been thinking... I'm getting a really strange vibe from her on this page. Not quite "Coyote-strange", but there's definitely something not quite human about her. At the very least she's probably older than she looks. She actually reminds me a bit of Jones in that aspect. Her skin tone, hair, sweater, and pants are an exact match for the four-color Coyote palette. HOLY CRAP!!! Sorry to play party-pooper, but no, the colour scheme is nowhere near an "exact" match. Coyote's red is significantly brighter and his blue is duller than Jenny's. Jenny is also lacking both his brown and his white (her skin is very pale, but not white) and she has a grey, which Coyote is lacking. Her colour scheme is similar, at best. The only thing that is an exact match is her black hair. Check out the other link I inserted into that post; she's got a lot of the colors of that other disguise Coyote wore (minus the green, his overall "disguise color"). She even has the finger-stripe things going (are they rings? I'm not sure). It's not for certain, but it is a pretty close match. |
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