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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Aug 25, 2014 11:02:57 GMT
(not very wild spec) The sailor bots are networked, so they may form a hive-mind, therefore I and me and not we and us. Calling it now: The speaker isn't the sailorbot at all, it's the cruise ship itself! It wants to be a living organism because it is madly in love with Lindsey! You see the ship is one giant robot of it's own right. The sailorbots are not so much crew as more of a really elaborate user interface. that's why they don't appear to have eyes (the ship has sensors all over itself anyway) and are networked (they have no own AI and are operated directly by the ship's AI). ^^ What these guys said! ^^ Also, the unseen speaker: 1. Seems to be unaware of Kat’s ability to transform proto-limbs into choking blue smoke with just a flick of switch. 2. Has a bright future in the paper fastening business. |
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Post by crater on Aug 25, 2014 11:51:51 GMT
haaaah! so the robots are not there to get the kids off the wild ride
Zimmy is probably grimacing at these new developments mumbling "she shouldn't be here what were they thinking its not right its not right"
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Post by Neon_Knight on Aug 25, 2014 12:06:43 GMT
So this is all Robot's fault, which in turn was Annie's fault. :/
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Post by Ophel on Aug 25, 2014 12:11:12 GMT
I definitely did not expect this. Was everything before for naught but herrings red? Wow. Shit just got WEIRD. And here I was thinking this was a beach episode. Seriously. But then again, this is Tom whose work we're reading. (Is that grammatical right?) |
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Post by thedoomblahsong on Aug 25, 2014 12:15:50 GMT
 I wanna be a REAL boy! |
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Post by zimmyzims on Aug 25, 2014 12:26:16 GMT
I wanna be a REAL boy! This is what I thought too.  |
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Post by sabriel on Aug 25, 2014 12:26:12 GMT
Not to mention the Frankenstein overtones... Frankenstein? I don't know if that's the best comparison. I think it's being played up much more like "You will grant me salvation," i.e. demanding entrance into Heaven from an angel... Or something. Maybe not. Hello, hi, allow me to come out of hiding in order to talk about why this is actually not that far off. Several plot spoilers for the book under the cut, since I know a lot of people haven't actually read it. The entire motive of Frankenstein's monster in the actual book was, ''You were my God and I was your Adam and you abandoned me,' or 'You should have granted me salvation but you didn't and now it's too late.' Basically, 'the creature' as he is most often called in the narrative, or 'Adam' as he calls himself, is actually perfectly sentient and was not inherently cruel. He even taught himself how to read, which is how he discovers his origins, since he doesn't remember the beginning of his life and Victor was long gone by the time he started to form memories. He makes attempts to integrate himself into human civilization, and each time, though he extends kindness and even at one point saves someone from drowning, he is savagely beaten because of his unnatural appearance. Considering his size and strength, if his telling of the events is to be believed, then it speaks a lot about him that instead of fighting back, he ran away. He knew he would accidentally kill them if he defended himself. So in his eyes (and I agree with him) Victor, his 'God,' should have taken responsibility for 'the Adam of his labors.' He blamed Victor for not having sheltered him from the cruelty and intolerance of the world (having abandoned him to Hell instead of giving him- Eden? Heaven? You decide) and for having created him and then basically leaving him for dead on a different continent like a bitch-ass pansy. (Victor is totally a bitch-ass pansy.) But instead of asking for Victor to take him in now, because the creature bitterly hates him, he asks for a female equivalent to himself so that he will no longer be completely alone, and in compromise they would go to live in the jungles of South America, never to interfere with human civilization again. But uh, the creature reveals himself to Victor and asks this after killing Victor's younger brother and letting an innocent friend of the family hang for it. Victor didn't even know the creature was still alive before then. Because he ran away from his own creation like a bitch-ass pansy. But that's beside the point. The creature basically goes on to say that if Victor doesn't do this for him, doesn't create an Eve, then Victor better watch out 'on his wedding night.' And Victor even begins to make his 'Eve,' but he becomes too terrified at the idea of a race of monsters propagating because of him that he destroys her before finishing. So the creature kills Victor's childhood friend and Victor's bride on their wedding night (and since Victor assumed the creature meant he was going to kill him, not his fiancee, this is particularly devestating). Victor's father dies of grief. In Victor's pursuit for revenge, the creature purposefully leads him through the most treacherous possible terrain while making sure never to quite lose him. Eventually, said terrain kills Victor. So basically, when his creator didn't do what he wanted, the creature made more than good on his threat.  So yeah. While the creature and the robots are asking their creators for different things, and the creature both has a pretty fair point and gets much more violent than I assume the robots will because this isn't that kind of webcomic, the overarching theme is certainly still there: artificial lifeforms trying to strong-arm their creators into doing more for them. Heh heh. Strong-arm. Arm. God figures. Okay, I'll stop derailing + see myself out. |
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Post by gradiant on Aug 25, 2014 12:37:28 GMT
I'm being really pedantic, but shouldn't the plural of seraph be be seraphim because the word comes from Hebrew?
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Post by thedoomblahsong on Aug 25, 2014 12:39:58 GMT
Say, where are all the responsible adults in this? Where are Eggers and Jones, Kat's parents? *gasp* Reynardine? edit: I'm being really pedantic, but shouldn't the plural of seraph be be seraphim because the word comes from Hebrew? Depends who you ask, because some people claim that any word what becomes part of English should act like a normal English word. Like in this video. In which case one seraph, many seraphs. This is why I insist the correct plural of moose is meese  . |
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Post by alpacalypse on Aug 25, 2014 13:48:50 GMT
I am very much interested in how Kat's relationship with everyone else will hold up after this chapter is done. Normally the with the kind of themes I see going on in the comic there are people who are against "playing god," and while Kat is certainly not trying to, she is in a way growing a human. When a robot is suddenly made of flesh and blood, what happens to the distinctions that separate what is human and "non-human"? If the robots are now closely resemble humans, why would they want to continue serving us instead of being one of us? Annie and Paz have been okay so far with Kat's work, but have yet to see the effects of her work on a larger than a chicken wing scale, and while I doubt many of their peers know exactly what it is that Kat is up to, I do wonder if people's views of Kat will change with such a sudden reveal of her work.
Of course it is possible that nothing bad will end up happening now, but the points still remains for when Kat finishes growing a complete robot.
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Post by zimmyzims on Aug 25, 2014 14:18:11 GMT
I am very much interested in how Kat's relationship with everyone else will hold up after this chapter is done. Normally the with the kind of themes I see going on in the comic there are people who are against "playing god," and while Kat is certainly not trying to, she is in a way growing a human. When a robot is suddenly made of flesh and blood, what happens to the distinctions that separate what is human and "non-human"? If the robots are now closely resemble humans, why would they want to continue serving us instead of being one of us? making us serve them. Yeah, that's more like it. Of course it is possible that nothing bad will end up happening now, Yeah, sure, that's soooo possible,  it will be all just a lovely funny cruise with some added entertainment, or... Apokatlypse now!
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Post by lit on Aug 25, 2014 14:20:05 GMT
Yeah, I was thinking I'd be pretty creeped out if I learned my peer was growing some gross arm thing in a lab. But maybe Gunnerkriggers would take it in stride. Paz didn't seem too weirded out, at least.
But the "playing god" thing didn't occur to me and I see how that might pose a problem as well. I wonder if anyone besides Annie, Paz, and the robots knows what she's up to.
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Post by fwip on Aug 25, 2014 14:33:16 GMT
Last update we were lamenting that the storm appeared on a Friday update. Aren't you so glad we have a full week of updates to watch the excrement hit the Aperture Science Atmospheric Vortex Creation/Propulsion Device?
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Post by bluevitriol on Aug 25, 2014 14:44:02 GMT
How are they going to force her anyway; abduct Paz? What if they do abduct Paz and she gets badly hurt or dies? How would that effect everyone... especially Kat? Would everyone reject her and she slink off to the Robots and become a dangerous wildcard in the Court Vs Forest saga all mad-scientist like? Imagine kat all crying and the robots responding with "It was worth it." In a heartless robot manner. |
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Post by philman on Aug 25, 2014 14:55:11 GMT
How are they going to force her anyway; abduct Paz? What if they do abduct Paz and she gets badly hurt or dies? How would that effect everyone... especially Kat? Would everyone reject her and she slink off to the Robots and become a dangerous wildcard in the Court Vs Forest saga all mad-scientist like? Imagine kat all crying and the robots responding with "It was worth it." In a heartless robot manner. She died and we did nothing everything... |
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Post by keef on Aug 25, 2014 15:06:23 GMT
Say, where are all the responsible adults in this? Interesting question. When a robot is suddenly made of flesh and blood, what happens to the distinctions that separate what is human and "non-human"? . Libraries have been filled with speculation about this; one of the first books was mentioned earlier in this thread. There's a lot of talk about it in our own universe as well. But I don't think that will be Kat's main problem. How are they going to force her anyway; abduct Paz? What if they do abduct Paz and she gets badly hurt or dies? My fear for the near future of the comic. Why did Tom draw Paz so sparkly cute the last pages. So vulnerable.. |
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Post by gradiant on Aug 25, 2014 15:18:33 GMT
Imagine kat all crying and the robots responding with "It was worth it." In a heartless robot manner. Actually, that's a good point. Could Kat's positive reaction to the "death" of the artificial muscle have caused the robots to think that death is good in the eyes of their "god"? |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Aug 25, 2014 15:30:24 GMT
Wow. Shit just got WEIRD. And here I was thinking this was a beach episode. Yeah, this whole scene threw off what I was picturing too with the Charlie Brown music. But then I figured hey, maybe this is all a big misunderstanding. Perhaps the sailorbot in the last panel just has poor grammar and he's simply asking Kat to make him some bacon? Everyone likes bacon! I think they saw her cook up a chicken wing last time, and even though it got a little burnt they must figure it's worth asking her to try again. It looks like Kat's continued with her cooking experiments (nice slow cooker there!) and they probably just want to encourage her to keep at it. The question is, can Kat perform her culinary wizardry in front of all her fellow classmates? It was high enough pressure before when she was just trying to make a romantic dinner, but now she's really going to have to show what she's capable of.  |
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Post by nero on Aug 25, 2014 15:41:48 GMT
Will the next pages show that Shadow is being held hostage? Something must be holding Robot back because I'm sure he would have been watching over the lab. He wouldn't approve of moving anything because it would take time for Kat to finish growing a body.
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Post by nightwind on Aug 25, 2014 15:51:09 GMT
Calling it now: The speaker isn't the sailorbot at all, it's the cruise ship itself! It wants to be a living organism because it is madly in love with Lindsey! You see the ship is one giant robot of it's own right. The sailorbots are not so much crew as more of a really elaborate user interface. that's why they don't appear to have eyes (the ship has sensors all over itself anyway) and are networked (they have no own AI and are operated directly by the ship's AI). You're shipping the ship. Now I've seen everyship. Want more pictures in your head? There's plenty of flesh aboard Kat could make a body for a robot from... |
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Post by mariposa on Aug 25, 2014 15:58:46 GMT
Oh my god, no, please, not Paz! D: These jerks sure know how to ruin a party!  I, too, am curious to see how the other students will react, Jack and Zimmy in particular. We don't know how deep Jack's knowledge of the Court's inner workings it's. Have we ever seen Zimmy interact with the robots? |
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Post by alpacalypse on Aug 25, 2014 16:16:25 GMT
I am very much interested in how Kat's relationship with everyone else will hold up after this chapter is done. Normally the with the kind of themes I see going on in the comic there are people who are against "playing god," and while Kat is certainly not trying to, she is in a way growing a human. When a robot is suddenly made of flesh and blood, what happens to the distinctions that separate what is human and "non-human"? If the robots are now closely resemble humans, why would they want to continue serving us instead of being one of us? making us serve them. Yeah, that's more like it. Well I didn't want to take it there, but since you insisted, what is to stop them from getting rid of us entirely? They could make a new robot society with flesh robots at the top of the pyramid and regular inorganic robots serving them. |
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Post by eightyfour on Aug 25, 2014 16:34:47 GMT
Dude! Are you crazy?! You can't make a statement like that publicly on the internet! Now someone is bound to take up the challenge and present you with something new... |
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Post by Fishy on Aug 25, 2014 16:34:48 GMT
Now that I think about it, this could potentially be not as creepy as it sounds. Still creepy though. The demand was "You will make me flesh", which could be interpreted in the same sense of "You will make me an omelette". Could potentially be demanding to receive flesh rather than being made into it. Which would... Be... Better? I guess?
Just ignore me, my mind isn't in the right place for this sort of thought.
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Post by The Anarch on Aug 25, 2014 16:56:34 GMT
Wow, rude robot.
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Post by eyemyself on Aug 25, 2014 16:58:42 GMT
Calling it now: The speaker isn't the sailorbot at all, it's the cruise ship itself! It wants to be a living organism because it is madly in love with Lindsey! You see the ship is one giant robot of it's own right. The sailorbots are not so much crew as more of a really elaborate user interface. that's why they don't appear to have eyes (the ship has sensors all over itself anyway) and are networked (they have no own AI and are operated directly by the ship's AI). I've been wondering if the ship was the speaker since Friday. The idea of the networked sailor bots being the ships drones hadn't occurred to me until you pointed it out, but it makes perfect sense! I wonder what it's agenda might be? (If our speaker is, indeed, the ship) Yeah, that's more like it. Well I didn't want to take it there, but since you insisted, what is to stop them from getting rid of us entirely? They could make a new robot society with flesh robots at the top of the pyramid and regular inorganic robots serving them. Cylons! |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Aug 25, 2014 18:19:51 GMT
Uwuuuhhg... Weeheherrrbblblblbl..
I can't stop myself from making weird uncomfortable sounds that sounds like a dubstep remix of Tina's 'uuuuuuhhh' from Bobs Burgers. Thats's how creeped out I am.
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Post by TBeholder on Aug 25, 2014 18:20:55 GMT
I wanna be a REAL boy! Moreover, knowing their problems... this issue popped up right now because sailor-bot wants to dance with someone. |
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Post by aaroncampbell on Aug 25, 2014 20:43:31 GMT
A couple of interesting thoughts to ponder: 1.) Do you suppose that the robot society created this model/line of bot (heh, the cruise line) specifically for this plan? I'm wondering if the sleek narrowness of the bots was intentionally designed to function as a skeleton for flesh and other features to anchor to? 2.) Do you suppose that the adults were previously aware of the robots' intentions and are letting the situation progress to see how things progress? 3.) Why is Lindsey there; what can she do in this current situation/scenario? 4.) Is the storm just there to set "a dramatically appropriate" atmosphere or will that play a more active role (for example, trying to do complex surgery/robotics at sea, or making Zimmy so seasick she loses control)? If it does set Zimmy off somehow, what will her brand of craziness do with regard to this whole robot development? 5.) How many paperclips to they get out of one of those Seraph models, anyways? 246. Definitely 246. |
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Post by eightyfour on Aug 25, 2014 21:35:07 GMT
Some more random ideas where this might be headed: Annie might actually speak up in the robots' favour. She showed some concern before about how the court kind of exploits the robots for cheap labour, even though the robots never asked for anything in return. Well, now they are asking for something and how could they deny their request, after all they did for the humans? Paz might actually agree on this, since she's all about " changing the system from within" and stuff. Although we don't really know her stance on any robot-related issues. |
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it will be all just a lovely funny cruise with some added entertainment, or...
I, too, am curious to see how the other students will react, Jack and Zimmy in particular. We don't know how deep Jack's knowledge of the Court's inner workings it's. Have we ever seen Zimmy interact with the robots?
