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Post by Lewis Ransom on Aug 26, 2014 22:43:52 GMT
Where's Robot robot? I'm wondering if the seriphs are acting with him, or independently. A clash between robotic religious factions would be pretty damn cool.
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Post by thedoctor on Aug 26, 2014 22:45:14 GMT
I don't think we need fear the robots harming Paz or any of the other students. "Changes" mentioned that they can't harm the students, and I doubt they'd have been able to change that part of their programming since then. (Violent robot uprisings don't seem to be Tom's style, anyway.) On the other hand, we know how inept the Gunnerkrigg robots are, and they might inadvertently do something that endangers the ship and everyone on board. As for Kat "playing God", that's no worse than what the Court's doing - though I do think that she went overboard on growing a new robot. All they needed for a new body for Robot was that robot mouse in Chapter Eighteen (who might even have been a better idea than a humanoid body, even if Robot was more used to the latter, since it could easily hide from anyone searching for it). But Kat seems to have been motivated as much by a desire to build a robot for its own sake - which led to the discovery of Jeanne's shrine and Robot doing a lot of proselytizing, as a result. (Of course, it also helped Annie in her investigation of Jeanne; I don't know if the fortunate results outweigh the unfortunate.) Robot's setting up a religion around Kat only began after they began going to the workshop (though there are hints that he was doing some version of that before he was taken apart and stuffed into that closet where Annie found him). If the incident proves disruptive enough to call for a Court investigation, it could be Kat who'll be facing disciplining from the Court administration this time (though if they figure out that Annie's partly responsible, by freeing Robot from prison - twice - then she'll probably be in trouble as well). Though the damage has been done (unless the Court finds a way to erase that growing religion from the robots' memory. She's doing science: studying for the love of learning and discovery! How is that going overboard? The "grown robot" was her own idea and design, and it's a pretty darn good one as so far demonstrated. why is having a desire to "build a robot for its own sake" bad or extreme or "overboard"? |
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Post by todd on Aug 26, 2014 23:01:01 GMT
Never. Not even that wild, although all the teachers except the headmaster seem to be decent people Yes, I don't think the Court would go that far. It has its faults, but we shouldn't see it as a kindred spirit to N.I.C.E. in "That Hideous Strength", say. |
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Post by Per on Aug 26, 2014 23:20:12 GMT
Maybe Anthony has manipulated Muut into manipulating horsebot into manipulating Brinnie into manipulating verification bat into engineering this situation on the behalf of the Steadman Fellow Foundation to create a KatZim abotination to be used in the war against the Human Businessmen. Or maybe I'm looking one level too deep here. Cut out the layer of horsebot involvement. Yeah, that's it.
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Post by todd on Aug 26, 2014 23:40:58 GMT
She's doing science: studying for the love of learning and discovery! How is that going overboard? The "grown robot" was her own idea and design, and it's a pretty darn good one as so far demonstrated. why is having a desire to "build a robot for its own sake" bad or extreme or "overboard"? Good point. I think it seems going overboard in hindsight, since it led to all those events that prompted Robot to build a religion around Kat, something which Annie and Kat couldn't have predicted (all the more so since most of Robot's proselytizing and pronouncing various dogmas happened whenever the girls were off-panel). |
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Post by arf on Aug 26, 2014 23:49:05 GMT
The robots are usually an object of ridicule. Except when they're not. When you realise they are trying very hard to exceed their limitations, as happened in Skywatcher. 'Make me flesh' could be a request to uplift. If so, it's an aspiration to treat seriously. Still find this page is sounding creepily like the new Doctor Who episode (heck: I can just about cast the characters!). (And I've now got visions of 'The flesh bots of Gunnerkrigg' stuck in my head. Oooh!) I'd don't see how the casts fit. At all. I mean, who's recovering from a regeneration-esque event? The only parallel I can think of is the reverse cyborg thing. It's the flesh bot revelation, having just watched Dr Who, I think. However, here would be my casting suggestions: The Doctor: Zimmy (not feeling too good at the moment. Inclined to see people going dark and wobbly) Clara: Gamma (OK. She'd need a speed talking course. Maybe if she just let rip in Polish?) Madame Vastra: Kat (because geek girls rule, OK?) Jenny: Paz (I'm sure George could teach these two how to use a katani. Also, married) Strax: Annie (Third wheel. You could fit *anyone* in that prosthetic suit. And, she has some medical smarts) Inspector Gregson: Jack (A small role, but he can understudy Zimmy!) Fleshbots: Who d'you think? (Robot 2 is the prime node, if he appears) T. Rex in Thames: Lindsey! |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Aug 27, 2014 0:34:56 GMT
Never. Not even that wild, although all the teachers except the headmaster seem to be decent people Yes, I don't think the Court would go that far. It has its faults, but we shouldn't see it as a kindred spirit to N.I.C.E. in "That Hideous Strength", say. That was such an odd conclusion to that trilogy, imo. Though I've not read it for years, so it might just be time to revisit. |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Aug 27, 2014 1:19:41 GMT
I'd don't see how the casts fit. At all. I mean, who's recovering from a regeneration-esque event? The only parallel I can think of is the reverse cyborg thing. It's the flesh bot revelation, having just watched Dr Who, I think. However, here would be my casting suggestions: The Doctor: Zimmy (not feeling too good at the moment. Inclined to see people going dark and wobbly) Clara: Gamma (OK. She'd need a speed talking course. Maybe if she just let rip in Polish?) Madame Vastra: Kat (because geek girls rule, OK?) Jenny: Paz (I'm sure George could teach these two how to use a katani. Also, married) Strax: Annie (Third wheel. You could fit *anyone* in that prosthetic suit. And, she has some medical smarts) Inspector Gregson: Jack (A small role, but he can understudy Zimmy!) Fleshbots: Who d'you think? (Robot 2 is the prime node, if he appears) T. Rex in Thames: Lindsey! If Tom sees this he will be shocked and disturbed. |
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Post by warrl on Aug 27, 2014 1:31:57 GMT
...and though Zimmy did crush the whitelegs eventually, it took several nightmarish months of brainwashing to accomplish, when she could have done the same thing in ten seconds at the end of "Power Station". Assuming she saw some significant indication he was infested at that time. WE weren't shown any, and her comments don't obviously require any interpretation beyond that Jack was caught up in Zimmingham and scared s***less. www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=469It would be a serious, justified fear without the whitelegs. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2014 2:00:49 GMT
Word of Tom, warrl. Zimmy could have helped him, but she didn't care enough to do so ("Sucks to be you, mate"). I believe it's on the Formspring somewhere.
Anyway, you're quite right on the second point, but due to the whitelegs, Jack has intimate and unique knowledge of Zimmy... Knowledge that probably only fuels the fears. All I'm saying, in the end, is that we should cut Jack some slack.
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Post by stclair on Aug 27, 2014 2:27:53 GMT
She's doing science: studying for the love of learning and discovery! How is that going overboard? The "grown robot" was her own idea and design, and it's a pretty darn good one as so far demonstrated. why is having a desire to "build a robot for its own sake" bad or extreme or "overboard"? Good point. I think it seems going overboard in hindsight, since it led to all those events that prompted Robot to build a religion around Kat, something which Annie and Kat couldn't have predicted (all the more so since most of Robot's proselytizing and pronouncing various dogmas happened whenever the girls were off-panel). "YOU AM PLAY GODS!" |
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Post by thedoctor on Aug 27, 2014 21:54:01 GMT
Yes, I don't think the Court would go that far. It has its faults, but we shouldn't see it as a kindred spirit to N.I.C.E. in "That Hideous Strength", say. That was such an odd conclusion to that trilogy, imo. Though I've not read it for years, so it might just be time to revisit. It actually makes a lot of sense if you understand the perspective Lewis was going for; the entire series was designed to emphasize the high medieval view of the universe and that mentality (medieval cosmology); they thought of space and other planets as "the heavens," more beautiful and perfect than earth, so the idea was to show the contrast between the heavens, and our earth "thulcandra," the "silent planet." That's why the third one is so different. And what better way to allude to the high medieval view of the world than bringing in Arthurian mythology! As a side note, I'm really glad that other people besides me have read that series; it is quite possibly my second favorite series of all time (after Lord of the Rings). It was also my first introduction to Arthurian myth, ironically enough (I was somewhat sheltered, and I read it at the age of 12 or so). |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Aug 27, 2014 22:52:31 GMT
Yeah, all I really remember was how apparently the main female character brought about the coming apocalypse by wanting education and a career instead of being content with being pretty and having babies. Also (but unrelated) hairy paintings.
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