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Post by troll on Aug 19, 2014 22:20:07 GMT
Hey, Red and Blue are actually in the same year as Annie and the rest. Maybe we'll see them on the boat. |
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Post by lit on Aug 20, 2014 1:26:54 GMT
I was so certain that Red and Blue were in the other year, but I guess Tom's formspring answer clears that up. It does make sense. In the encounter by the Annan waters, Red says their whole class is already there, and the year hasn't ended, and they pass the test that night. They do all seem so immature compared to Annie and their classmates, though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 1:50:32 GMT
(I wonder if Jack can still fly, or if that was a whitelegs manipulating his etheric power?) According to Tom, it was the whitelegs that allowed him to fly (I remember reading this on the wiki very recently)... He has some potential, as Annie said in Faraway Morning, but beyond the flying and being sent to Zimmingham we haven't seen anything particularly etheric from him. I'm just confused as to Jack's reaction and sentence. He seems to be angry at both Zimmy and Gamma (maybe just Zimmy) but what he said registers in my head as him being worried for Zimmy being on the boat and his face looking like he's angry at Gamma. ... Could it be that, instead of anger, it could be desperation?  Thank you for spurring my first forum post ever, Ophel! Quite a few people here seem to have a bone to pick with Jack, but to me, all this page is saying is that he is scared as hell of Zimmy. Remember when he first met her? She showed up on that rooftop out of nowhere, had a complete breakdown in the false rain, and ended up zapping his soul/consciousness(?) straight to Zimmingham. There, he had to survive, alone, until Annie and Zimmy found Gamma and brought everyone back into the real world. Even if it was only a short while, which I doubt, any length of time in that place would be enough to seriously traumatize a kid. Afterwards, he's left with nothing but a "sucks to be you, mate" and a malevolent etheric hitchhiker... He lost months of his life to that thing's brainwashing, and probably had at least a few medical complications from staying awake that long (it might have even shaved a year off of his lifespan). I mean, talk about justified fears! That happened the very first time he met the girl. Before that, he didn't even know she existed! Now he has intimate knowledge of her and her capabilities, and he's just seen that she's on a very crowded cruise ship with a ton of innocent, unsuspecting teenagers. "It's not safe," indeed. On this page, Jack is bitter about what he was forced to go through, scared of the damage Zimmy could cause to their classmates, Jenny, and himself, and angry at both the Court (who allowed this situation to occur) and Zimmy, who knows the risks of being around this many people. He thinks she is being careless with the lives and sanity of the people around her (justified as well; he knows she only cares about Gamma, to the expense of everything and everyone else), and when Zimmy is careless, people get hurt. ...At least, that's what I think. It has nothing to do with relationship bullshit. He's smarter than that. Jack is legitimately scared... And yes, desperate. EDIT: Made several edits. I need to learn to proofread before I post. |
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Post by troll on Aug 20, 2014 2:17:02 GMT
(I wonder if Jack can still fly, or if that was a whitelegs manipulating his etheric power?) According to Tom, it was the whitelegs that allowed him to fly (I remember reading this on the wiki very recently)... He has some potential, as Annie said in Faraway Morning, but beyond the flying and being sent to Zimmingham we haven't seen anything particularly etheric from him. I'm just confused as to Jack's reaction and sentence. He seems to be angry at both Zimmy and Gamma (maybe just Zimmy) but what he said registers in my head as him being worried for Zimmy being on the boat and his face looking like he's angry at Gamma. ... Could it be that, instead of anger, it could be desperation? Thank you for spurring my first forum post ever, Ophel! Quite a few people here seem to have a bone to pick with Jack, but to me, all this page is saying is that he is scared as hell of Zimmy. Remember when he first met her? She showed up on that rooftop out of nowhere, had a complete breakdown in the false rain, and ended up zapping his soul/consciousness(?) straight to Zimmingham. There, he had to survive, alone, until Annie and Zimmy found Gamma and brought everyone back into the real world. Even if it was only a short while, which I doubt, any length of time in that place would be enough to seriously traumatize a kid. Afterwards, he's left with nothing but a "sucks to be you, mate" and a malevolent etheric hitchhiker... He lost months of his life to that thing's brainwashing, and probably had at least a few medical complications from staying awake that long (it might have even shaved a year off of his lifespan). I mean, talk about justified fears! That happened the very first time he met the girl. Before that, he didn't even know she existed! Now he has intimate knowledge of her and her capabilities, and he's just seen that she's on a very crowded cruise ship with a ton of innocent, unsuspecting teenagers. "It's not safe," indeed. On this page, Jack is bitter about what he was forced to go through, scared of the damage Zimmy could cause to their classmates, Jenny, and himself, and angry at both the Court (who allowed this situation to occur) and Zimmy, who knows the risks of being around this many people. He thinks she is being careless with the lives and sanity of the people around her (justified as well; he knows she only cares about Gamma, to the expense of everything and everyone else), and when Zimmy is careless, people get hurt. ...At least, that's what I think. It has nothing to do with relationship bullshit. He's smarter than that. Jack is legitimately scared... And yes, desperate. EDIT: Made several edits. I need to learn to proofread before I post. Three things I learned from Formspring today: People have died because of Zimmy's powers. The Whitelegs have taken people over before, successfully. The reason Zimmy didn't deal with the Whitelegs infecting Jack when it happened is because she didn't care. So why attribute to personal enmity and pettiness what can be attributed to information and responsibility? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 2:28:18 GMT
Three things I learned from Formspring today: People have died because of Zimmy's powers. The Whitelegs have taken people over before, successfully. The reason Zimmy didn't deal with the Whitelegs infecting Jack when it happened is because she didn't care. So why attribute to personal enmity and pettiness what can be attributed to information and responsibility? I... don't understand. Are you refuting anything I said? I hadn't yet read those things, but they don't surprise me. And, well, you're absolutely right. This indeed has nothing to do with pettiness. Jack learned a lot about Zimmy from the whispers of the whitelegs. His fear and anger are based on both his personal experience and the implications of that knowledge. There's definitely enmity from him, because of her uncaring nature (and the pain/torture/unending nightmare he went through because of it), but that isn't petty. It's justified, as I said. |
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Post by troll on Aug 20, 2014 2:40:53 GMT
I... don't understand. Are you refuting anything I said? No, I thought they were germane to your post. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 2:57:21 GMT
I... don't understand. Are you refuting anything I said? No, I thought they were germane to your post. Ah. The question made it seem like you were trying to use them to make some kind of counterpoint. I apologize. Anyway, yeah, thanks for telling me about that stuff! This is the kind of thing I was thinking, when I read the thread and the comments on the page, and saw how many of the fans thought Jack was just being pissy or jealous. He doesn't seem to be going about it the best way, but he's got a very good point. From his perspective, there is little more dangerous than being this close to Zimmy. I will not deign to speak for Tom, but despite her last appearance being relatively positive, and the grudging respect she's built up for Annie, Zimmy is still the scariest person in this comic, next to Coyote, and I think he wants us to remember that. Jack's is a cautionary tale. |
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Post by sapientcoffee on Aug 20, 2014 3:08:53 GMT
Three things I learned from Formspring today: People have died because of Zimmy's powers. The Whitelegs have taken people over before, successfully. The reason Zimmy didn't deal with the Whitelegs infecting Jack when it happened is because she didn't care. So why attribute to personal enmity and pettiness what can be attributed to information and responsibility? While it doesn't change my opinion of Jack, this definitely changes my opinion on how dangerous Zimmy is/can be to people. Yikes. Didn't realize she actually was that callous. Paints this page in a new light. This one, too. Guess Gamma's kinda her Jiminy Cricket. |
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Post by Chromascope 3D on Aug 20, 2014 3:32:51 GMT
I still stand by my Hulk analogy. Bruce Banner may be a lovable guy, but that doesn't mean he's not still a potential engine of pure chaos. Zimmy is incredibly stressed right now, between her seasickness, people checking out her girl, and soon (potentially) the entire room looking at and judging her. Gamma may be a heat sink, but Zimmy is overclocked. A slight misstep, and boom. Panic at the disco.  or blood on the dance floor, that works too. |
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Post by troll on Aug 20, 2014 3:46:19 GMT
The Whitelegs have taken people over before, successfully. Have to correct myself. While: and , Must have misremembered something. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2014 4:05:04 GMT
Hmm. Perhaps because the whitelegs-infected individuals tend to seek her out, eventually making it her problem, or leading to resolutions like we saw with Jack (a rare, rather touching generous moment)? In any case, the next page will be interesting. Zimmy might confront Jack (she seems to be preparing to protect Gamma in the last panel)... And I don't know how that will turn out.  |
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Post by warrl on Aug 20, 2014 5:02:18 GMT
Possibly people have gotten infected by the whitelegs and then their brains were slowly eaten by whiteleg larvae, so they are now dead.
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Post by philman on Aug 20, 2014 9:16:54 GMT
Possibly people have gotten infected by the whitelegs and then their brains were slowly eaten by whiteleg larvae, so they are now dead. My thought too, if they people die do the whitelegs die too? Does that count as a removal? |
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Post by Lightice on Aug 20, 2014 9:25:38 GMT
Possibly people have gotten infected by the whitelegs and then their brains were slowly eaten by whiteleg larvae, so they are now dead. I'm assuming more that people killed other people under the whitelegs' influence, or that the hallucinations of Zimmy's world caused people die of fear. Or that some of the monsters there became physical reality, like Zimmy's hinted at happening, and killed someone. I don't think that the whitelegs' infection itself has killed anyone, judging by what the Word of Tom is saying. |
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Post by todd on Aug 20, 2014 11:59:48 GMT
He thinks she is being careless with the lives and sanity of the people around her (justified as well; he knows she only cares about Gamma, to the expense of everything and everyone else), In light of Tom's mention (repeated in his recent YouTube commentary on Chapter Five) that Zimmy and Gamma were originally conceived independent of "Gunnerkrigg Court" and before he came up with the idea for the webcomic, I'm tempted to see something metafictional in Zimmy's lack of concern for everyone other than Gamma - as if to say "They're not part of my story" = though it certainly fits her characterization. And I agree with you that Jack's displaying a legitimate concern about the dangers of Zimmy on board; if Gamma becomes unable to block her powers (whether through Zimmy's seasickness amplifying them, or Gamma being lured away from Zimmy's side to take part in the dance - both of which the story's raised as possibilities), disaster at sea. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Aug 20, 2014 15:07:03 GMT
If I recall correctly, Zimmy mentioned that the faceless can sometimes be difficult to discern from people trapped in Zimmyville, and given her violent scorn for the facelesses, it's possible she's killed several people directly simply because they were in the wrong place in the wrong time.
Not sure if that made sense.
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Post by Ophel on Aug 20, 2014 16:09:42 GMT
Thank you for spurring my first forum post ever, Ophel!  |
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Thank you for spurring my first forum post ever, Ophel! Quite a few people here seem to have a bone to pick with Jack, but to me, all this page is saying is that he is scared as hell of Zimmy. Remember when he first met her? She showed up on that rooftop out of nowhere, had a complete breakdown in the false rain, and ended up zapping his soul/consciousness(?) straight to Zimmingham. There, he had to survive, alone, until Annie and Zimmy found Gamma and brought everyone back into the real world. Even if it was only a short while, which I doubt, any length of time in that place would be enough to seriously traumatize a kid. Afterwards, he's left with nothing but a "sucks to be you, mate" and a malevolent etheric hitchhiker...
