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Post by Daedalus on Jul 25, 2014 15:59:42 GMT
I know - multiple tabs are tricky to manage, so when it's early in the morning and I'm tired, I just quote each individually and edit them together. You caught me in the process  Plus, usually when I do that someone's posted between my responses anyway, nipping the problem in the bud. Oopsie poopsie. Sorry for that, then. No, no you caught me sorry for confusion He grew a goatee and everything!But I suppose this does raise the question . . . is that really Jack?!That's a good question. To my mind, he didn't really look like Jack until someone said it and found the opportunity to draw that goatee to Jack. He now is possessed by an etheric, parasitic billygoat. I've solved it. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 25, 2014 16:00:15 GMT
I though that this could be useful...  That makes them look like Smitty minus mighty eyebrows plus Jack's hair - and some babe. |
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Post by Eversist on Jul 25, 2014 16:01:21 GMT
We'll agree to disagree on this part. What exactly are we disagreeing on here- that characters undergo development or changed (like aging) that might change their personality and/or physical appearence? That Zimmy would undergo character development, because everything must stay the same forever and ever and ever? Or that Zimmy undergoing character development is a good thing? Something else? I want to make sure I'm clear on this point before I start ranting.  Just the defensive stance that it seems you were taking with that initial post. Just because I don't think this is Zimmy, doesn't mean that I don't think characters should go through character development. They are separate things. Also, this seems super random and out of left field (although that's not beyond Tom, we've just had no indication or foreshadowing that Zimmy would ever go for Jack in a million years). Edit: Did people forget this page or something: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1046 |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 25, 2014 16:01:36 GMT
Smitty minus mighty eyebrows BLASPHEMY. |
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Post by csj on Jul 25, 2014 16:01:50 GMT
Occam's Razor should be enough to suggest that it's Zimmy. I think most of the reaction is motivated by disbelief, or preconceptions about her as a character.
Basically, it's a lot simpler to suggest that Zimmy had a makeover (given the rarity of her appearances, that is more than believable), than to suggest Tom made an entirely new character with an extremely uncanny resemblance.
Next panel should make it clear, regardless.
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 25, 2014 16:03:21 GMT
Really can't stop thinking that they look like year older than Annie and Kat. That's, of course, fully plausible, since people mature in different speeds. But let's not get ourselves confused about the Jack-question: that guy is Jack: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=933 |
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Post by Eversist on Jul 25, 2014 16:04:18 GMT
Basically, it's a lot simpler to suggest that Zimmy had a makeover (given the rarity of her appearances, that is more than believable), than to suggest Tom made an entirely new character with an extremely uncanny resemblance. It's just as easy to assume (in my opinion) that he found a replacement that looks like Zimmy, since he can't have her. Certainly not Occam's Razor easy, but still not so far fetched. But yeah, I guess we'll find out Monday. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 25, 2014 16:05:02 GMT
Occam's Razor should be enough to suggest that it's Zimmy. I think most of the reaction is motivated by disbelief, or preconceptions about her as a character. Basically, it's a lot simpler to suggest that Zimmy had a makeover (given the rarity of her appearances, that is more than believable), than to suggest Tom made an entirely new character with an extremely uncanny resemblance. Next panel should make it clear, regardless. Eyes are wrong color (biggest for me); no gunk at all; she's smiling. I'd actually argue Occam's Razor cuts the other way. But indeed we'll find out Monday! |
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Post by Brother_Spartacus on Jul 25, 2014 16:05:15 GMT
The Smitty-ness is probably a more mature jaw structure. csjOccam's Razor is less assumptions, not simpler. Though they normally coincide and you're still right. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 25, 2014 16:05:38 GMT
I have a thought. What if it's both Gamma and Zimmy. We're not sure how their connection works. If Gamma's the only thing that keeps Zimmy together, what would happen if they somehow merged. "Torn" could be about that union being pushed apart by their internal differences (Jack?), among other things. Interesting...personally I'd call this wildspec, but I like it That would be very wild. I'm kind of hoping it's a dream sequence of Annie's. It would be an awesome spoof of our collective fan interest. Where's the Court located? Who's dating whom?(there's even a big ship) If Tom makes Anthony Carver the ship's captain, it would either confirm "it's a dream", or make it the greatest chapter ever. |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 25, 2014 16:06:49 GMT
Interesting...personally I'd call this wildspec, but I like it That would be very wild. I'm kind of hoping it's a dream sequence of Annie's. It would be an awesome spoof of our collective fan interest. Where's the Court located? Who's dating whom?(there's even a big ship) If Tom makes Anthony Carver the ship's captain, it would either confirm "it's a dream", or make it the greatest chapter ever. I'm just imagining the riots now...  and being ship's captain is no more outlandish then being the Medium between two semi-warring magical factions. |
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Post by Eversist on Jul 25, 2014 16:07:04 GMT
If Tom makes Anthony Carver the ship's captain, it would either confirm "it's a dream", or make it the greatest chapter ever. Por que no los dos? |
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Post by eightyfour on Jul 25, 2014 16:07:16 GMT
he might actually have found a way to "fix" Zimmy. With no foreshadowing at all, though? One could argue that there in fact has been some subtle foreshadowing. We know that Jack has a... let's say "increased interest" in her. We also know that he's rather smart with technology and may have etheric abilities. Also, the "how we got here" is a common storyteling device. The way I see it Jack is kind of a wild card. Every now and then he shows up, takes hold of the plot and drags it into an unexpected direction. But in the end I'm still going with the "substitude random goth girl" idea. I don't think it's Zimmy, I'm just not as sure about that as I should be. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 25, 2014 16:07:30 GMT
Basically, it's a lot simpler to suggest that Zimmy had a makeover (given the rarity of her appearances, that is more than believable), than to suggest Tom made an entirely new character with an extremely uncanny resemblance. It's just as easy to assume (in my opinion) that he found a replacement that looks like Zimmy, since he can't have her. Certainly not Occam's Razor easy, but still not so far fetched. But yeah, I guess we'll find out Monday. I hope we will, but wouldn't be sure. I essentially agree with your first sentence. jack could make himself super-annoying to Annie by showing off his pseudo-zimmy. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 25, 2014 16:08:43 GMT
Occam's Razor should be enough to suggest that it's Zimmy. I think most of the reaction is motivated by disbelief, or preconceptions about her as a character. Basically, it's a lot simpler to suggest that Zimmy had a makeover (given the rarity of her appearances, that is more than believable), than to suggest Tom made an entirely new character with an extremely uncanny resemblance. Next panel should make it clear, regardless. Eyes are wrong color (biggest for me); no gunk at all; she's smiling. I'd actually argue Occam's Razor cuts the other way. But indeed we'll find out Monday! I don't get this eye color thing. Can you link me one earlier page where we actually see what color Zimmy's eyes are? |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 25, 2014 16:09:39 GMT
With no foreshadowing at all, though? One could argue that there in fact has been some subtle foreshadowing. We know that Jack has a... let's say "increased interest" in her. We also know that he's rather smart with technology and may have etheric abilities. Also, the "how we got here" is a common storyteling device. The way I see it Jack is kind of a wild card. Every now and then he shows up, takes hold of the plot and drags it into an unexpected direction. But in the end I'm still going with the "substitude random goth girl" idea. I don't think it's Zimmy, I'm just not as sure about that as I should be. This is a good point. Jack has been kind of unexpected turn by himself. Edit: Oh, I tripled it again! This time by accident. |
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Post by eyemyself on Jul 25, 2014 16:10:09 GMT
I though that this could be useful... Oddly enough, to me this actually makes her look less like Zimmy. Interesting. |
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Post by Eversist on Jul 25, 2014 16:10:21 GMT
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 25, 2014 16:11:40 GMT
Eyes are wrong color (biggest for me); no gunk at all; she's smiling. I'd actually argue Occam's Razor cuts the other way. But indeed we'll find out Monday! I don't get this eye color thing. Can you link me one earlier page where we actually see what color Zimmy's eyes are? . It's one of her most iconic features I though that this could be useful... [image] Oddly enough, to me this actually makes her look less like Zimmy. Interesting. Zimmy don't smile. |
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Post by csj on Jul 25, 2014 16:12:58 GMT
As long as the explanation of 'what have you been doing for the last x months?' looks like this, I don't think anyone will be disappointed. |
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Post by philman on Jul 25, 2014 16:14:12 GMT
Occam's Razor should be enough to suggest that it's Zimmy. I think most of the reaction is motivated by disbelief, or preconceptions about her as a character. Basically, it's a lot simpler to suggest that Zimmy had a makeover (given the rarity of her appearances, that is more than believable), than to suggest Tom made an entirely new character with an extremely uncanny resemblance. Next panel should make it clear, regardless. Occams razor: among competing hypotheses, the one with the fewest assumptions should be selected. Hypothesis 1- It is Zimmy, Assumptions: -Zimmy's eyes have somehow changed colour -Zimmy has somehow lost the need to be near Gamma at all times -Zimmy has had a large makeover, cleaned up, and started wearing revealing clothes rather than the dirty stained ones seen before -Zimmy has had a sexuality change to liking boys rather than girls -Zimmy has reversed her previous dislike of the idea of going out with Jack Hypothesis 2- It is not Zimmy, Assumptions: -Jack still cannot get Zimmy to like him and has therefore found a girl who looks a bit like her instead. |
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Post by eightyfour on Jul 25, 2014 16:15:15 GMT
I don't get this eye color thing. Can you link me one earlier page where we actually see what color Zimmy's eyes are? . It's one of her most iconic features Oddly enough, to me this actually makes her look less like Zimmy. Interesting. Zimmy don't smile. Only she does smile, occationally. Just look at the next few pages from the one you quoted.  |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 25, 2014 16:16:50 GMT
Thanks. Had completely forgotten this. Gives me the creeps... Okay. That is a fair point. Still, I'm not convinced that couldn't be part of some changing condition. She's a bit strange, you know. Out of all disturbing features of her, irises changing colour at some point of her life (or even occasionally) would not be the one that I'd pick out. It's not even very strange if her iris colours had changed. I've seen that happening to other people, I mean real people. My own irises were of different colour before my puberty. Not that dramatically, but significantly nevertheless. And I know people who had more dramatic change of colour. I though that this could be useful... Oddly enough, to me this actually makes her look less like Zimmy. Interesting. agreed |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 25, 2014 16:18:30 GMT
Last panel. It's one of her most iconic features Zimmy don't smile. Only she does smile, occationally. Just look at the next few pages from the one you quoted. Not the same smile as MAL. I am fairy certain that Zimmy's condition is an irreversible part of her; you can't take it away from her any better than you could take the fire elemental out of Annie. Didn't stop Anthony from trying. Also, was 'fairy' a misspelling or a Disney pun? XD |
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 25, 2014 16:19:07 GMT
I am fairy certain that Zimmy's condition is an irreversible part of her; you can't take it away from her any better than you could take the fire elemental out of Annie. Didn't stop Anthony from trying. Also, was 'fairy' a misspelling or a Disney pun? XD And Annie has changed relatively to her fire-elementarity too, essentially growing to control that side better. |
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Post by stef1987 on Jul 25, 2014 16:19:51 GMT
I can't believe so many people think it's Zimmy,
it's just some (hot) goth girl
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just realised something completely different,
Jack says "heyyy"; with 3 "y"-s
does that mean he says it in a retarted duuuuuude voice?
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Post by zimmyzims on Jul 25, 2014 16:20:32 GMT
-Zimmy has had a sexuality change to liking boys rather than girls Since when was Zimmy sexually attracted to girls? |
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Post by Daedalus on Jul 25, 2014 16:21:56 GMT
Didn't stop Anthony from trying. Also, was 'fairy' a misspelling or a Disney pun? XD And Annie has changed relatively to her fire-elementarity too, essentially growing to control that side better. But it's not gone, obviously. Zimmy appears (at first glance) to have lost the entire thing, which certainly seemed pretty uncontrollable. But who knows. -Zimmy has had a sexuality change to liking boys rather than girls Since when was Zimmy sexually attracted to girls? Gamma/Zimmy, though admittedly that's different. |
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Post by freeman on Jul 25, 2014 16:23:00 GMT
Court is a place that maintains diplomatic relationships with Keters and lets Euclids run completely without guard to "study" them, so why not? Fits on their previous record of risk management. For people who, like me, don't follow the various SCP websites: Keeter = harmful to human life Euclid = unknown species and hard to classify More like: Keter - potential to wipe out all humanity Euclid - lethal or harmful for large number of people, can be contained Safe - not to be taken literally. |
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Post by lit on Jul 25, 2014 16:23:12 GMT
My conception of Zimmy's sexuality is "Gamma" but I'd be interested to learn if there was anything more to it.
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Plus, usually when I do that someone's posted between my responses anyway, nipping the problem in the bud.
and being ship's captain is no more outlandish then being the Medium between two semi-warring magical factions.
