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Post by stef1987 on Mar 14, 2014 23:23:31 GMT
True, but she still had a shot at it before the bomb was falling. In any case, it's time for the first of at least two character deaths in this chapter! Whooooo! two? |
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Post by freeformline on Mar 15, 2014 0:01:43 GMT
True, but she still had a shot at it before the bomb was falling. In any case, it's time for the first of at least two character deaths in this chapter! Whooooo! two? We get to see Morty die, and then we get to see Mort die! I know he is only technically finishing dying, but I'll take what I can get. |
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Post by arf on Mar 15, 2014 1:11:21 GMT
Jones, cold? I must respectfully disagree. Jones is H-O-T, hawt!Jones could be a negative temperature: simultaneously colder than absolute zero yet hotter than infinity. |
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Post by stsasser on Mar 15, 2014 2:28:04 GMT
Jones' personalized plate: 2L84U
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Post by OrzBrain on Mar 15, 2014 2:30:59 GMT
Y'know, Jones has extremely high level super strength, which means she has options, none good but all better than just standing there like an unfeeling b**** while making ominous statements that waste precious seconds:
(1) The worst option: grab the kid and throw him towards her longest sight line. Very, very low chance of success, with a high probability of killing him as she imparts enough momentum to send him flying, never mind the landing, but still better than the bomb.
(2) The better option: grab the kid up to her chest and begin moving away from the bomb strike point at the maximum acceleration rate which she judges unlikely to break every bone in Mort's body. Considering her strength, she should have little difficulty rapidly accelerating to forty or fifty miles per hour. And at that rate she might be able to get far enough away that the shield of her body would do some good. Even if she doesn't have complementary super agility to keep track of her leg movements at a high speed, she should still be able to accomplish something with long jumps.
I guess she was right about that not caring (enough to put herself out) thing.
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Post by arf on Mar 15, 2014 2:33:00 GMT
Well, that was quick. And not. For us, the bomb will fall the entire weekend... You want cliffhangers? Freakangels had a corker. Imagine seeing this, followed the next panel , one week later: |
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Post by Daedalus on Mar 15, 2014 3:07:06 GMT
Well, that was quick. And not. For us, the bomb will fall the entire weekend... You want cliffhangers? Freakangels had a corker. Imagine seeing this, followed the next panel , one week later: There is no link there. |
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Post by warrl on Mar 15, 2014 4:25:11 GMT
(2) The better option: grab the kid up to her chest and begin moving away from the bomb strike point at the maximum acceleration rate which she judges unlikely to break every bone in Mort's body. Considering her strength, she should have little difficulty rapidly accelerating to forty or fifty miles per hour. And at that rate she might be able to get far enough away that the shield of her body would do some good. Even if she doesn't have complementary super agility to keep track of her leg movements at a high speed, she should still be able to accomplish something with long jumps. The better option: we have exactly as much evidence that she can teleport, as we do that she can run at superhuman speed. |
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Post by arf on Mar 15, 2014 5:11:51 GMT
You want cliffhangers? Freakangels had a corker. Imagine seeing this, followed the next panel , one week later: There is no link there. Sorry. Inadvertent space. Try now. |
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Post by The Anarch on Mar 15, 2014 5:25:08 GMT
I'm not entirely clear how trying to throw or run Mort out from under this particular bomb would help matters anyway. Granted I don't know a whole lot about the specifics of the bombing of London, but surely they would send more than one plane and each plane would drop more than one bomb, right? Most everything I've heard about the bombing - even the non-Blitz stuff - was that it was pretty much carpet bombing. If Jones did try to get Mort away from this bomb, I'd think it pretty likely that all she'd be doing is tossing him under a different one.
That said, the bomb has not yet dropped. For all we know, the next page may be her actually trying to do something to save him regardless of it being too late.
Though I for one doubt it. People seem to be getting put out by Jones acting like this about Mort's imminent death, but this is exactly how she's acted and reacted to pretty much everything for the entire comic. She would undoubtedly have the same reaction if Eglamore died, or Annie, or a perfect stranger . . . which to Jones, that's exactly what Mort is.
I think maybe the only reason people are looking for a more emotional response from Jones in this case is because they are having an emotional response. This is Mort, after all, and we love Mort! So Jones should love Mort too and try to save him even though there's not really much if anything she can do! Even though it would be completely against her character for her to do so!
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Post by MoonEcho on Mar 15, 2014 5:37:18 GMT
Y'know, Jones has extremely high level super strength, which means she has options ...(2) The better option: grab the kid up to her chest and begin moving away from the bomb strike point at the maximum acceleration rate which she judges unlikely to break every bone in Mort's body. Considering her strength, she should have little difficulty rapidly accelerating to forty or fifty miles per hour. And at that rate she might be able to get far enough away that the shield of her body would do some good. Even if she doesn't have complementary super agility to keep track of her leg movements at a high speed, she should still be able to accomplish something with long jumps. I guess she was right about that not caring (enough to put herself out) thing. I'm sorry - in that pencil skirt, she's supposed to run? Not likely! Those aren't clothes optimized for range of movement. Also, her senses and movement are human level, so unfortunately superspeed is not an option. Given the immediate circumstances and the spare few moments left, I think it's quite reasonable that she's concluded there's not a lot she can do for this well-meaning interloper. Jones has an unmatched wealth of lived experience, but even so she is neither omniscient nor prescient. Should she have been able to predict that, despite her efforts to keep away from the crowd, a good samaritan would spot her anyway and imperil himself with only seconds to spare? We've seen her experience how people behaved in another disaster situation that was not at all predictive of what Morty did. I daresay Morty might have genuinely surprised Jones with his bravery. That's no small feat. |
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Post by Gulby on Mar 15, 2014 8:19:52 GMT
And even if she could save the boy, why him, and why not the plenty of others ?... It's not that Jones don't care for Mort ; it's that Jones care for THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE as a whole. But she just can't chose which one deserve to be saved or deserve to die. Do you imagine the choice ?... Not intervening is the best option for her.
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 15, 2014 8:49:34 GMT
Jones, cold? I must respectfully disagree. Jones is H-O-T, hawt!Well, Jones is pretty much the temperature of her surroundings (she doesn't eat so I assume she doesn't generate heat). ...and her surroundings are about to experience some super-adiabatic compression. Everything matches! Jones could be a negative temperature: simultaneously colder than absolute zero yet hotter than infinity. Far be it from me to imply that Jones isn't shiny, but you are stretching definitions here. |
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Post by Per on Mar 15, 2014 15:17:51 GMT
What's that, little boy? You wish you were back in your own shelter? That is too bad for you
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Post by thedoctor on Mar 15, 2014 16:22:03 GMT
And even if she could save the boy, why him, and why not the plenty of others ?... It's not that Jones don't care for Mort ; it's that Jones care for THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE as a whole. But she just can't chose which one deserve to be saved or deserve to die. Do you imagine the choice ?... Not intervening is the best option for her. While the facts as stated by Jones herself are contrary to what you just said (she has said that she has no emotion and no capacity for it, see here; even if there is some care for those she knows as Annie suggests), your final remark is still inaccurate. Even if she did care for humanity as a whole, how is NOT doing something a better option? Sure, it's anguish to have to choose and see the ones you didn't have time to save die, but since when does that make not choosing a better choice? Is it not better to do SOMETHING, anything to prevent some kind of pain and suffering than give up and say "oh well, since I can't save them all, I might as well not try"? The validity of a lost cause is an innate part of the human spirit; this is what doctors in third world countries do every day, and what people for centuries have died for. In the words of a famous band "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"; you have chosen to condemn one more person (in this case) to death because of your inaction. In fact, if you cared for the entire human race, you would do your best to make at least one part of it better, and thus hope you could improve the whole. Or, perhaps more appropriately, in the words of Winston Churchill "“Never give in–never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honour and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.” Whether the enemy is tangible or not. |
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Post by thedoctor on Mar 15, 2014 16:32:21 GMT
The RRRRRR sound in panels 4-6 are not the sirens, but the engine of the V1 (getting louder, btw) - once it runs out of gas in panel 7, it falls. That is not a V-1: this is what a V-1 looks like; note the lack of wings and long tailfins in the comic. Though it might be the sound of the German bomber planes passing overhead...Just found a website that shows a wide variety of German bombs; any guesses as to what this one is? Side note; if Tom is working the physics correctly, that bomb should land at least a couple of hundred feet past the house in panel 7; an object (bomb) released in the air from another object (plane) in motion will continue in the same direction and velocity as the original motion (minus a small amount of wind resistance) as well as the accelerating vertical motion. It won't save Mort, but I'm pretty sure that the bomb won't actually land on him...Small comfort, I suppose. Also, how terrifying would it be to see something like that; you know you're going to die within a couple of seconds, and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. |
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Post by sleepcircle on Mar 15, 2014 17:42:55 GMT
kralex I think that was kind of a tooly thing to say I had to look up tooly, but still don't understand. Bad taste? On this forum? Worst thing that can be said is that the joke was already made in the last thread. But tastes differ of course. I think bad taste probably exists everywhere, even on this forum. |
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Post by rosencrantz on Mar 15, 2014 17:43:19 GMT
Man but Jones can pick the right place to stand. That bomb looks like it'll land within a street.
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Post by goldenknots on Mar 15, 2014 18:35:25 GMT
Something that I wondered about before, and panel four of this page reminded me. Morty is grabbing Jones' hand. What does that feel like? (To him, that is.) Is she hard, cold, stony? Obviously her body has flexibility, but we know she's impervious to pretty much anything she's run into so far, so is her skin an inflexible barrier, or a resilient one?
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Post by Shire on Mar 15, 2014 19:18:51 GMT
I'm sorry - in that pencil skirt, she's supposed to run? Not likely! Those aren't clothes optimized for range of movement. Seeing as how Jones can punch through concrete, I really don't think a pencil skirt would impede her much. The skirt just wouldn't survive, is all... But... you know... with the bomb and all... that's pretty much a given either way. |
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Post by QuotePilgrim on Mar 15, 2014 19:27:30 GMT
I'm sorry - in that pencil skirt, she's supposed to run? Not likely! Those aren't clothes optimized for range of movement. Also, her senses and movement are human level, so unfortunately superspeed is not an option. Well, given her strength, Jones wouldn’t have to worry about the skirt -- if she decided to start running, it would simply rip apart. But, yeah, I don’t think she’s much faster than the average human. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2014 20:01:17 GMT
And even if she could save the boy, why him, and why not the plenty of others ?... It's not that Jones don't care for Mort ; it's that Jones care for THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE as a whole. But she just can't chose which one deserve to be saved or deserve to die. Do you imagine the choice ?... Not intervening is the best option for her. While the facts as stated by Jones herself are contrary to what you just said (she has said that she has no emotion and no capacity for it, see here; even if there is some care for those she knows as Annie suggests), your final remark is still inaccurate. I think Gulby's logic is consistent with that assumption. If Jones doesn't care for anyone, she cares for everyone equally; and this includes the Axis powers as much as the Allies. Even though saving Mort's life is the obviously decent choice, she could not do this without contributing to the British war effort and rejecting the Nazis' ideology, thereby taking sides in human struggles, which she claims not to do. Therein lies the terror of the truly impartial observer: from that point of view, all human action — all human action — is as indispensable to the state of the world as, for example, the lunar cycle, or the death of the dinosaurs. As you've noted, though, Jones isn't quite impartial — because if she were, she would be doing nothing at all. Even Jones has a drive to evolve, to see the world, to observe the results of her interactions; I think this drive results from her origins as an idealized human concept. Her preserving her own memories, and the names of the people that held her dear, might stem from her own moral code — which is otherwise different from human standards since she, herself, is so fundamentally different. If everything Jones could possibly do at this point would not save Mort from death, inaction is no better nor worse than any other action, in that regard. That worked out well enough for Churchill, but Germany also didn't surrender after the Allied landings in Normandy, even though the war was lost entirely, and many people were forced to die because of that. |
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Post by Gulby on Mar 15, 2014 20:46:05 GMT
Edit : Oops, someone answered while I was typing my answer! Sorry. While the facts as stated by Jones herself are contrary to what you just said (she has said that she has no emotion and no capacity for it, see here; even if there is some care for those she knows as Annie suggests), your final remark is still inaccurate. Even if she did care for humanity as a whole, how is NOT doing something a better option? When you are hundreds of millennium old, you can't decide what side is worthy to save. Not doing is the better option for her, because it's not like she was part of the human history. She's not, not in that way. She's an outsider, she is what resemble the most to an objective, impartial observer. But the pain for who ?... She'll see the results of her choices, unlike many of us. So the less she choose, the less she has to regret. And if the little boy became a murderer ? A dictator ? If his death actually saved thousand of lifes ?... You'll never know. As Brassens said, "Mourir pour des idées, l'idée est excellente. Moi j'ai failli mourir de ne l'avoir pas eue !" (= Die for ideas, the idea is excellent. I almost died because of not having it!) (and the rest of the song ; I strongly advise you to discover it if you don't know it!) In other words, only someone with strong links to a country, or a religion, or a group of people, can die to save them. If you have no connection whatsoever with anybody or, in contrary, with literally everybody, there is no lost cause, because there is no cause at all, and so you CAN'T choose. Well, at least, it is my opinion. |
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Post by keef on Mar 15, 2014 23:00:41 GMT
While the facts as stated by Jones herself are contrary to what you just said (she has said that she has no emotion and no capacity for it, see here; even if there is some care for those she knows as Annie suggests), your final remark is still inaccurate. Even if she did care for humanity as a whole, how is NOT doing something a better option? When you are hundreds of millennium old, you can't decide what side is worthy to save. Not doing is the better option for her, because it's not like she was part of the human history. She's not, not in that way. She's an outsider, she is what resemble the most to an objective, impartial observer. She has chosen, and she is part of human history.  You can not be an observer in a system you are acting in. I guess Annie will point this out to Jones somewhere in the future. She has chosen for humanity, and personally I think humanity means cooperation, that is not even a choice, it is something that makes us what we are as a species. |
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Post by Gulby on Mar 15, 2014 23:11:13 GMT
Yes she choose humanity. But humanity is vast, diverse and divided. Once again, I think she can't choose to cooperate with a side or another. But she totally have to act, because, well, even if according to her, it is at minimal state, she exists. And anything existent has an impact. She just chose to have the less possible. Anonymously haunting humanity as a whole, getting closer to some humans once in a while but always distant. Ah, I think it's all a matter of point of view (not sure this is a real sentence, sorry), and after all, the only way we could be fixed on this issue is to have the words of Tom about it... xD
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Post by keef on Mar 16, 2014 0:27:12 GMT
Wow you're fast. Yes she choose humanity. But humanity is vast, diverse and divided. Once again, I think she can't choose to cooperate with a side or another. But she totally have to act, because, well, even if according to her, it is at minimal state, she exists. And anything existent has an impact. Humans and other species are surprisingly supportive to anything that seems to be in trouble, and is not likely to be a threat, see youtube. I really think that if Jones is - as Coyote implies - some form of human archetype, it is very likely a positive one. Look at Jones's beauty, if humans imagine evil, you would not get this picture. She may think she is neutral, but she is hard-wired to be one of the good guys. No luck so far. And so what, I love the speculation. How is the little alien? As you've noted, though, Jones isn't quite impartial — because if she were, she would be doing nothing at all. Even Jones has a drive to evolve, to see the world, to observe the results of her interactions; I think this drive results from her origins as an idealized human concept. Her preserving her own memories, and the names of the people that held her dear, might stem from her own moral code — which is otherwise different from human standards since she, herself, is so fundamentally different.. If she is an idealized human concept, and I agree that is possible, she is for all intents and purposes a force for good. So if she could have saved Mort, she would have found some excuse for intervention afterwards, just like we all do when we do something positive against our own judgement. |
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Post by arf on Mar 16, 2014 7:00:31 GMT
Jones could be a negative temperature: simultaneously colder than absolute zero yet hotter than infinity. Far be it from me to imply that Jones isn't shiny, but you are stretching definitions here. may arise as a result of describing energy flows and quantum spin states. So, yes, they are a bit exotic. We are talking Jones, here. |
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Post by csj on Mar 16, 2014 9:37:57 GMT
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Post by Gulby on Mar 16, 2014 9:40:05 GMT
I was trying to find some sleep... xD I really don't know. My wild spec pleases me, but I just don't know. xD AAAAAAH I WANT TO SEE MOOOOOOOOORE, MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE !!! The little alien is fine, thank you !  A month and a half remains before the great meeting between us and she/he. I can't wait to. |
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Post by TBeholder on Mar 16, 2014 9:52:49 GMT
Far be it from me to imply that Jones isn't shiny, but you are stretching definitions here. may arise as a result of describing energy flows and quantum spin states. So, yes, they are a bit exotic. We are talking Jones, here. I mean that you are juggling "colder" and "hotter" like a climatologist or something. I'll chalk it out to low standards, as evidenced by the link to a ludicrous sandbox.  |
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A month and a half remains before the great meeting between us and she/he. I can't wait to. 