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Post by grahamf on Feb 15, 2014 2:55:34 GMT
A big question here: what is it about Annie that got her (and companions) spared... twice? The first time she was saved by kat showing up with her newfangled anti-gravity scooter. The second was by Parley, who distracted Jeanne until Annie could get her stone back. Kat saving Annie is more interesting. It seemed she was somehow scared of Jeanne. it could've just been the shock of a flying thing with a spotlight, or maybe Kat was always the Wissenschaftengel It's becoming clear to me that they should just send Jones in after the arrow. that might work... Speaking of Jones, can she be harmed by Coyote's tooth? |
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Post by george on Feb 15, 2014 3:28:55 GMT
A big question here: what is it about Annie that got her (and companions) spared... twice? The first time she was saved by kat showing up with her newfangled anti-gravity scooter. The second was by Parley, who distracted Jeanne until Annie could get her stone back. Kat saving Annie is more interesting. It seemed she was somehow scared of Jeanne. it could've just been the shock of a flying thing with a spotlight, or maybe Kat was always the Wissenschaftengel It's becoming clear to me that they should just send Jones in after the arrow. that might work... Speaking of Jones, can she be harmed by Coyote's tooth? Seeing as coyote said it could cut the earth itself and jones thinks of herself as a glorified rock, probably. I'm going to guess that coyote gave Annie the blade to get rid of Jeanne for some unknown reason (reclaim renard?). |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 15, 2014 3:57:00 GMT
Speaking of Jones, can she be harmed by Coyote's tooth? Seeing as coyote said it could cut the earth itself and jones thinks of herself as a glorified rock, probably. I'm going to guess that coyote gave Annie the blade to get rid of Jeanne for some unknown reason (reclaim renard?). This question has been raised before: the general consensus was a chechov's gun pointed straight at Jones (recalling GK's inimitable diction). Essentially immovable object, unstoppable force  |
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Post by Señor Goose on Feb 15, 2014 4:20:25 GMT
Speaking of Jones, can she be harmed by Coyote's tooth? THAT is a very good question. It's probably going to be a long time before we get anything resembling an answer. |
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Post by snowcat on Feb 15, 2014 6:12:11 GMT
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Post by keef on Feb 15, 2014 10:16:53 GMT
You have to give it to Diego. If someone could royally mess up with the ether and throw a spanner in its works, that was the old Sr. Big Nose himself. Respect! Maybe not too surprising, given that the Court's whole goal was (and still is) to meddle with the ether. The Court's goal, or reason of existence seems still a mystery to me, what makes you so sure? Jones words: "some say they were escaping a war. others claim they were hiding from humanity itself. there is no record of the exact cause". Coyote: "it is man's endeavour to become god" Apart from that I cant find much information, and even in Wild Spec the beginning of the Court is hardly discussed. I am getting really curious. |
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Post by csj on Feb 15, 2014 14:15:05 GMT
You know, a psychopomp that tracks down ghosts could easily consider their job similar to 'hunting'. I'm sure some ghosts act rather more violently than others following their demise.
Obligatory "bustin' makes me feel good"
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Post by thedoctor on Feb 15, 2014 17:55:02 GMT
Maybe not too surprising, given that the Court's whole goal was (and still is) to meddle with the ether. The Court's goal, or reason of existence seems still a mystery to me, what makes you so sure? Jones words: "some say they were escaping a war. others claim they were hiding from humanity itself. there is no record of the exact cause". Coyote: "it is man's endeavour to become god" Apart from that I cant find much information, and even in Wild Spec the beginning of the Court is hardly discussed. I am getting really curious. That remark about "man's endeavour to become god" has actually been speculated (a bit) to be the most accurate description of what's going on; that they're trying to create a new deity (like Coyote), and this is why Kat is permitted the free rein she has with the robots; they want her to become a robot goddess. See some of the spec in this page. I don't remember exactly where it is, but it's there somewhere. |
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Post by thedoctor on Feb 15, 2014 17:57:53 GMT
A big question here: what is it about Annie that got her (and companions) spared... twice? The first time she was saved by kat showing up with her newfangled anti-gravity scooter. The second was by Parley, who distracted Jeanne until Annie could get her stone back. Kat saving Annie is more interesting. It seemed she was somehow scared of Jeanne. it could've just been the shock of a flying thing with a spotlight, or maybe Kat was always the Wissenschaftengel It's becoming clear to me that they should just send Jones in after the arrow. that might work... Speaking of Jones, can she be harmed by Coyote's tooth? Where did Wissenschaftengel come from? It translates as "Science angel," which is pretty awesome, and appropriately German. Who came up with it as Kat's title? |
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Post by Sky Schemer on Feb 15, 2014 20:16:59 GMT
This page is fine and all, but the ROTD really needs to join the 21st century. I've modified their video to make it more internet-compatible.  |
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Post by keef on Feb 15, 2014 20:22:14 GMT
]That remark about "man's endeavour to become god" has actually been speculated (a bit) to be the most accurate description of what's going on; that they're trying to create a new deity (like Coyote), and this is why Kat is permitted the free rein she has with the robots; they want her to become a robot goddess. See some of the spec in this page. I don't remember exactly where it is, but it's there somewhere. I didn't buy it at the time, but I admit it is the only decent bit of speculation that explains something about the motives of the court. Still don't believe it though. I don't really have a theory, but somehow I think the court is an experiment gone wrong. |
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Post by thedoctor on Feb 15, 2014 20:35:28 GMT
]That remark about "man's endeavour to become god" has actually been speculated (a bit) to be the most accurate description of what's going on; that they're trying to create a new deity (like Coyote), and this is why Kat is permitted the free rein she has with the robots; they want her to become a robot goddess. See some of the spec in this page. I don't remember exactly where it is, but it's there somewhere. I didn't buy it at the time, but I admit it is the only decent bit of speculation that explains something about the motives of the court. Still don't belief it though. I don't really have a theory, but somehow I think the court is an experiment gone wrong. Yeah, I didn't agree with it entirely either. Given the court's ether machinations, I imagine that they are trying to control it, but I don't think they were actually trying to create a robot goddess. I imagine that Coyote's statement is accurate in some sense, but I don't know exactly how. |
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Post by fishtie on Feb 15, 2014 22:04:25 GMT
Perhaps he meant it like a metaphor. A thing that can directly control the either (magic force underlying the universe) might as well be a god, regardless of the actual method of control. Thus, the humans who study and try to manipulate the either using machines, with eventual intent to harness it to their will, are trying to be gods no mater the method or intent.
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Post by warrl on Feb 15, 2014 22:42:26 GMT
She doesn't have to have met him to recognize the name. She merely needs to have heard him mentioned in passing. I don't understand the confusion. The way it's phrased, that has to be Lamet. I had assumed that she knew what he looked like and would have recognized him in the photo if it was him, but I may be wrong. Robe guy's comment is extremely improbable if the guy in the video is Lamet. It's very interesting that we got Lamet's just-after-death video clip the same day Lamet died? No, that would be typical. I bet most of those clips were done the same day their subjects died. On the other hand... RotD is part of a psychopomp's NORMAL operating world. If one is killed, I would guess he would lose the ability to interact with this realm and its inhabitants (because otherwise being killed would be no obstacle). Which, if correct, means they have no after-death-by-Jeanne clip of Lamet. Now as for why Jeanne didn't kill Annie... In the first instance, Jeanne crossed the river. She then, rather than attacking instantly and lethally, studied and poked. We see Jeanne has no issue with killing either normal humans or forest-creatures, or apparently even psychopomps, instantly when they are in reach. But she broke protocol in two ways in regard to Annie. Then Kat showed up - and Jeanne didn't kill her either. I don't think she's afraid of bright light; she's the main "defense" against a forest crossing, and wouldn't be a very good defense if she's inactive in daylight. In the second instance, Jeanne grabbed Annie's blinkerstone which trapped her in the etherium - and didn't attack. Then Parley popped in, and Jeanne, instead of instantly attacking, told them a story. THEN she attacked, but Parley thinks she was holding back - in other words, more of a test or training exercise than an attempt to kill. And she had words of praise for Parley kicking the blinkerstone out of her hand so that Annie could retrieve it; this reinforces (but doesn't prove) the notion that she was testing rather than slaying. So basically, Jeanne either is blocked from, or has some reason for CHOOSING not to, kill at least three characters. The thing we know of that all three have in common is that they are female students of Gunnerkrigg Court. Of course, at least two and possibly all three of them are magically/etherically significant - but then, so are a lot of beings on the Forest side that Jeanne would be supposed to defend the court from. Now Annie could be a confusing case. She's a human, and a fire elemental, and a psychopomp, all wrapped up in one body. Perhaps Jeanne didn't know ho to classify her. But she'd willingly kill a being in any one of the three categories... and Kat, also spared, is not a fire elemental and possibly not detectable at that time as a psychopomp, while Parley is (consistent with ALL available evidence) is merely human. It would be smart to have a safety feature that something intended to be a defense of the Court would be blocked from killing members of the Court. So it could be a block in her, ahem, "programming". Is there any person we know to have been a student of the Court, and killed by Jeanne? |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 16, 2014 0:21:24 GMT
I had assumed that she knew what he looked like and would have recognized him in the photo if it was him, but I may be wrong. ... So basically, Jeanne either is blocked from, or has some reason for CHOOSING not to, kill at least three characters. The thing we know of that all three have in common is that they are female students of Gunnerkrigg Court. There's also the (slightly cliché) possibility that they have enough in common with Jeanne that she is not particularly interested in killing them. |
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Post by crater on Feb 16, 2014 0:38:05 GMT
I don't think she's particularly interested in murdering young school girls. She was a human once after all. Also she was obviously trying to trap Ann and Parly down there with her.
Killing ether guys is one thing but...
snuffing out little kids is kinda.... eh
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Post by zimmyhoo on Feb 16, 2014 16:13:15 GMT
I didn't buy it at the time, but I admit it is the only decent bit of speculation that explains something about the motives of the court. Still don't belief it though. I don't really have a theory, but somehow I think the court is an experiment gone wrong. Yeah, I didn't agree with it entirely either. Given the court's ether machinations, I imagine that they are trying to control it, but I don't think they were actually trying to create a robot goddess. I imagine that Coyote's statement is accurate in some sense, but I don't know exactly how. I hardly imagine that they are deliberately trying to create Kat into Robogoddess, but naturally, they will not hamper her progression until they decide she needs to come under their control. Once again, poke around the Robots and Religion thread, cause that's where all the theorydumps are. |
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Post by Daedalus on Feb 16, 2014 16:59:13 GMT
Yeah, I didn't agree with it entirely either. Given the court's ether machinations, I imagine that they are trying to control it, but I don't think they were actually trying to create a robot goddess. I imagine that Coyote's statement is accurate in some sense, but I don't know exactly how. I hardly imagine that they are deliberately trying to create Kat into Robogoddess, but naturally, they will not hamper her progression until they decide she needs to come under their control. Once again, poke around the Robots and Religion thread, cause that's where all the theorydumps are. Yeah , it is very unlikely that the Court is planning this. I cannot imagine that they are quite that Machiavellian. And how I interpreted this scenario with the Death of Lamont is that Egger-guy, who's in the picture, was being interviewed by Lamont in the ravine when Jeanne struck again and turned Lamont into a shish-kebab. There was no one there to interview Lamont after he died, hence there was no record. |
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