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Post by zimmyhoo on Nov 15, 2013 15:37:35 GMT
The Zimmyvision never looked evil to me. Scary and alien, maybe. Just not human anymore. Tom's text on that page, though...refers to here ( last panel), I believe. [Shiver] I have to add that I neither meant Kat goes evil, just that her obvious potential to small-mindedness escalates combined with ever growing power and missionary vision as she digs deeper and deeper into the God-robotics. That would, as you say, draw her more and more inhumane, and let me say, un-animal (is there a word for this), or unnatural, but in any event losing her sensitivity and compassion, becoming more and more rational, which might have disastrous consequences (the battle I foresee). Your theory just made me see in Kat a tragic character that I had not formerly perceived. And maybe it's just this that brought Anthony, another tragic character in this story, in my mind again. In other words, even as her machines become more alive, she becomes more robotic. I really think that you're spot-on. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 15, 2013 16:05:54 GMT
I have to add that I neither meant Kat goes evil, just that her obvious potential to small-mindedness escalates combined with ever growing power and missionary vision as she digs deeper and deeper into the God-robotics. That would, as you say, draw her more and more inhumane, and let me say, un-animal (is there a word for this), or unnatural, but in any event losing her sensitivity and compassion, becoming more and more rational, which might have disastrous consequences (the battle I foresee). Your theory just made me see in Kat a tragic character that I had not formerly perceived. And maybe it's just this that brought Anthony, another tragic character in this story, in my mind again. In other words, even as her machines become more alive, she becomes more robotic. I really think that you're spot-on. I think this is very likely, and a good point (both of you). Here's something much less likely: if we wanted to get even more trippy, she could be actually giving the robots her soul - as in, she would lose hers in the process. Kind of like Coyote losing his powers upon granting them to others, or Surma losing her life upon giving her 'fire' to Annie. |
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Post by zimmyzims on Nov 15, 2013 16:10:09 GMT
I have to add that I neither meant Kat goes evil, just that her obvious potential to small-mindedness escalates combined with ever growing power and missionary vision as she digs deeper and deeper into the God-robotics. That would, as you say, draw her more and more inhumane, and let me say, un-animal (is there a word for this), or unnatural, but in any event losing her sensitivity and compassion, becoming more and more rational, which might have disastrous consequences (the battle I foresee). Your theory just made me see in Kat a tragic character that I had not formerly perceived. And maybe it's just this that brought Anthony, another tragic character in this story, in my mind again. In other words, even as her machines become more alive, she becomes more robotic. I really think that you're spot-on. Yeah, so we share the vision of how this story will go. It feels really sad, though, but same time epic, and thus I'm kind of excited about it. And I find solace in the fact that we have been shown the childhood and youth of Kat when she was just a really good little girl genius. Whatever comes of it later doesn't remove that, it remains true within this story, a part of Kat's life that has actually been really sweet. It's actually amazing, for the first time I can foresee how this story would go in whole. Even if it wouldn't go like that, it still feels great relative to being lost with parcels of distinct story lines. Imagining from this last page to mayhem that Kat would havoc over the forest in the end, it just fills me with that sensation of a great story. I love it that, whatever really comes of Kat and Annie later, we have seen them from close as kids. It's just that that would make this an amazing story if it would build to those epic dimensions. I mean, the characters in epic stories may often be pretty flat, but here they would be amazingly deep. In other words, even as her machines become more alive, she becomes more robotic. I really think that you're spot-on. I think this is very likely, and a good point (both of you). Here's something much less likely: if we wanted to get even more trippy, she could be actually giving the robots her soul - as in, she would lose hers in the process. Kind of like Coyote losing his powers upon granting them to others, or Surma losing her life upon giving her 'fire' to Annie. That would be quite something indeed. I can see that as a really tragic moment in the story. We're getting so carried away with this  |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Nov 15, 2013 16:14:50 GMT
In other words, even as her machines become more alive, she becomes more robotic. I really think that you're spot-on. I think this is very likely, and a good point (both of you). Here's something much less likely: if we wanted to get even more trippy, she could be actually giving the robots her soul - as in, she would lose hers in the process. Kind of like Coyote losing his powers upon granting them to others, or Surma losing her life upon giving her 'fire' to Annie. Wow. We know that Gunnerkrigg is full of inverted parallels (perpendiculars?) between the Court and the Forest, and this seems entirely 'there' in that sense. Coyote grows more influential as gives his powers away, and Kat grows more real within the Ether as she gives her soul away. |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 15, 2013 16:24:25 GMT
I think this is very likely, and a good point (both of you). Here's something much less likely: if we wanted to get even more trippy, she could be actually giving the robots her soul - as in, she would lose hers in the process. Kind of like Coyote losing his powers upon granting them to others, or Surma losing her life upon giving her 'fire' to Annie. That would be quite something indeed. I can see that as a really tragic moment in the story. We're getting so carried away with this We are indeed getting carried away, but I still love it and who knows: certain portions of this discussion (the less far-fetched portions) may end up at least partially true. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Nov 15, 2013 16:30:27 GMT
That would be quite something indeed. I can see that as a really tragic moment in the story. We're getting so carried away with this We are indeed getting carried away, but I still love it and who knows: certain portions of this discussion (the less far-fetched portions) may end up at least partially true. Well, there'll always be some truth, as long as we |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 17, 2013 23:54:34 GMT
Had a random thought about this..what if she were able to control the transformation(s)? She could walk around and live life as a normal person (as "normal" as the Court gets) but instead of having to carry around a toolbox when she's working on stuff, she'd just twiddle her fingers or something and suddenly, go go gadget wrench. Kind of like Rey's lockpicks, but easier to use properly. And maybe she could even modify/upgrade parts of her robotic self? 0_o E: and it would probably turn into a casual thing over time, like Annie playing around with her blinker stone. Wouldn't be /that/ outlandish, seeing "people" like Zimmy wandering around  |
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Post by philman on Nov 18, 2013 8:34:53 GMT
Had a random thought about this..what if she were able to control the transformation(s)? She could walk around and live life as a normal person (as "normal" as the Court gets) but instead of having to carry around a toolbox when she's working on stuff, she'd just twiddle her fingers or something and suddenly, go go gadget wrench. Kind of like Rey's lockpicks, but easier to use properly. And maybe she could even modify/upgrade parts of her robotic self? 0_o E: and it would probably turn into a casual thing over time, like Annie playing around with her blinker stone. Wouldn't be /that/ outlandish, seeing "people" like Zimmy wandering around "Oh these? Those are just some brand new robot wings I invented. Yes I had them grafted to my own body. No I don't think that is a perversion of science. Pardon, sorry I can't hear you BECAUSE I AM TOTALLY FLYING RIGHT NOW! SCREW YOU!" |
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Post by Lightice on Nov 18, 2013 15:25:02 GMT
Had a random thought about this..what if she were able to control the transformation(s)? She could walk around and live life as a normal person (as "normal" as the Court gets) but instead of having to carry around a toolbox when she's working on stuff, she'd just twiddle her fingers or something and suddenly, go go gadget wrench. Kind of like Rey's lockpicks, but easier to use properly. And maybe she could even modify/upgrade parts of her robotic self? 0_o |
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Post by tearlach on Nov 18, 2013 19:18:34 GMT
If Kats role is to become a God, then it is Annies role to mediate between Kat and the Forest, between Kat and the Court, between Kat and Coyote, between Kat and her humanity.
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 18, 2013 23:59:19 GMT
Hold the phone, I've just realized something.
If Kat is experimenting on a sample of LIVING TISSUE, then it means one of three things:
1)She has human donors giving her stem cells to start growth cultures with. This would explain the Bio-reactor that was spotted in her lab in earlier chapters.
2)She has overcome her disgust at animal testing (unlikely)
3)She is fucking magic possesses etheric abilities (also unlikely)
This means a 13 or 14 year old girl is beyond doctorate level in both biology and robotics, and all the sub-fields that make them up. Granted, she is a genius, and Mozart's family were prodigies before they hit double digits... but creating new muscle tissue by leaching existing organs with detergent to remove everything except the collagen structure and then submerging them in a bioreactor and infusing the requisite amount of stem cells is a little more complicated than learning about F-sharp vs F-flat.
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 19, 2013 0:11:33 GMT
Next thing you know she'll be inventing gravity field generators!
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 19, 2013 0:23:53 GMT
3)She is fucking magic possesses etheric abilities (also unlikely) Irrelevant to the quote as a whole, but random thought #91802: what if Kat does have etheric abilities, she just doesn't know about them because she does her best to reject/disprove/ignore etheric [anything]? Maybe it's hereditary? A quick search through Word of Tom doesn't seem to outright say anything about her. (guessing this has been brought up at some point, but google didn't turn up anything on this forum so I dunno)Also, F♭ isn't a note, that'd be E♮ Edit: Correct link |
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 19, 2013 0:37:57 GMT
Also, F♭ isn't a note, that'd be E♮ Just goes to show how much I know about reading music. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Nov 19, 2013 3:09:30 GMT
Also, F♭ isn't a note, that'd be E♮ Just goes to show how much I know about reading music. You had a 50/50 chance of screwing that analogy up. A A# B C C# D D# E F F# G G#
So F and C are the only note without flats, likewise B and E don't have sharps.
Did You Know? Several genres of music use a rather different scale system, which uses quarter steps as well! en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_harmonic_scale
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 19, 2013 3:47:48 GMT
I did not! Yay, learning!  |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 19, 2013 5:08:39 GMT
3)She is fucking magic possesses etheric abilities (also unlikely) Irrelevant to the quote as a whole, but random thought #91802: what if Kat does have etheric abilities, she just doesn't know about them because she does her best to reject/disprove/ignore etheric [anything]? Maybe it's hereditary? We do know that if she does have etheric abilities, they are not visible to Annie when in her Ethervision. But very good point, that. |
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Post by sidhekin on Nov 19, 2013 7:34:01 GMT
Irrelevant to the quote as a whole, but random thought #91802: what if Kat does have etheric abilities, she just doesn't know about them because she does her best to reject/disprove/ignore etheric [anything]? Maybe it's hereditary? We do know that if she does have etheric abilities, they are not visible to Annie when in her Ethervision. But very good point, that. I don't actually remember seeing Kat in ethervision (got a link?), but I don't think it matters much, since Anja didn't show up brightly beaming either: In gunnerkrigg.com/?p=510 Anja is in greyscale, and Annie and the blinker stone are the only things in colour in the ethervision there. In gunnerkrigg.com/?p=512 Annie, the stone, and "the direction of the forest" are the only ones with colour in the ethervision. And even Renard in gunnerkrigg.com/?p=518 was of a dull greyscale until he made his etheric presence known!  |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 19, 2013 7:45:24 GMT
Adding onto the random idea, maybe she would know if she had etheric abilities, but still choose to not use them because she can't explain them using science..  |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 19, 2013 13:45:10 GMT
We do know that if she does have etheric abilities, they are not visible to Annie when in her Ethervision. But very good point, that. I don't actually remember seeing Kat in ethervision (got a link?), but I don't think it matters much, since Anja didn't show up brightly beaming either: In gunnerkrigg.com/?p=510 Anja is in greyscale, and Annie and the blinker stone are the only things in colour in the ethervision there. In gunnerkrigg.com/?p=512 Annie, the stone, and "the direction of the forest" are the only ones with colour in the ethervision. And even Renard in gunnerkrigg.com/?p=518 was of a dull greyscale until he made his etheric presence known! Totally legitimate point. And the time we see Kat is in Residential, though I don't have time to find the link this moment. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Nov 19, 2013 14:43:57 GMT
I don't actually remember seeing Kat in ethervision (got a link?), but I don't think it matters much, since Anja didn't show up brightly beaming either: In gunnerkrigg.com/?p=510 Anja is in greyscale, and Annie and the blinker stone are the only things in colour in the ethervision there. In gunnerkrigg.com/?p=512 Annie, the stone, and "the direction of the forest" are the only ones with colour in the ethervision. And even Renard in gunnerkrigg.com/?p=518 was of a dull greyscale until he made his etheric presence known! Totally legitimate point. And the time we see Kat is in Residential, though I don't have time to find the link this moment. Wow. I really don't like this idea much, but it doesn't seem far off. However, I wouldn't be suprised if this is what Tom has planned - a revealing of Kat's abilities. At the least, it hasn't been ruled out. |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 19, 2013 15:37:40 GMT
Totally legitimate point. And the time we see Kat is in Residential, though I don't have time to find the link this moment. Wow. I really don't like this idea much, but it doesn't seem far off. However, I wouldn't be surprised if this is what Tom has planned - a revealing of Kat's abilities. At the least, it hasn't been ruled out. [ 612] [ 624] Maybe things are only colored in the ether if she's focusing on them? Noting "a few" from 915, when she's looking for colors, and the distinctly grayscale Jack in 612. |
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Post by zimmyhoo on Nov 19, 2013 16:52:31 GMT
Woah woah woah woah woah.
I was reading through the Word of Tom, and found this:
Interestingly, Antimony seems to be referred to as the Bishop. At first I read it wrong and got all excited, but anyways, just leavin this here.
EDIT: more stuff from WoT.
So going back to the previous discussion, perhaps Kat's not even aware that she may have any kind of etheric abilities.
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 20, 2013 16:52:00 GMT
Chess pieces... That's fun to contemplate. I wonder who king and queen would be?
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 20, 2013 16:52:16 GMT
Chess pieces... That's fun to contemplate. I wonder who king and queen would be?
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Post by fishtie on Nov 21, 2013 1:48:51 GMT
Chess pieces... That's fun to contemplate. I wonder who king and queen would be? I more wonder what the sides are... |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 21, 2013 2:00:19 GMT
Chess pieces... That's fun to contemplate. I wonder who king and queen would be? I more wonder what the sides are... Oh. I drew about half a set years ago but there wasn't enough comic to finish. When the hosting got lost I deleted those posts, I believe. Want me to repost them to the fanart thread? |
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Post by nightwind on Nov 21, 2013 2:03:49 GMT
I believe I speak for all of us when I say: Why aren't they up already?  |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 21, 2013 3:18:14 GMT
Chess pieces... That's fun to contemplate. I wonder who king and queen would be? Court: Headmaster and Kat, maybe? Forest: Coyote and Annie, perhaps. And the process of going off-topic has begun... |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Nov 21, 2013 3:30:14 GMT
I believe I speak for all of us when I say: Why aren't they up already? Heh. The only back up left of those was the hardcopy so I had to rescan them therefore until/unless at least one person cared I wasn't going to bother. I found most of them (I think). The Forest side king one is not the final version, people told me that the neck bit was too slender so I redrew it with a fluted version that would be more sturdy if someone wanted to resin cast or 3d print these. I also see rough drafts of Antimony riding Renard as q side knight but I have no idea if I ever did a finished concept sketch of that or not (probably not since I went another way in the end). [edit]PS and I did repost the more finished sketches. And I was going to make Coyote the wood side queen for lack of a better alternative. One of the reasons I stopped was lack of better alternatives. [/edit] |
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