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Post by maxptc on Nov 4, 2013 5:45:19 GMT
Let me check with Hitchen's ghost first. I'm not sure if we're allowed to do that... Won't a "reverse crusade" be the invitation for "everyone but X", agressively advertised externally?  Look, you guys are putting way to much thought into this. Which doesn't really fit with the spirt of the crusades. |
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 4, 2013 5:46:12 GMT
Dear god. Is he a perv or something?! One of the more innocuous of the stories I recall involved Coyote hiding behind some bushes near a riverbank where some lady types were bathing themselves. He extended a certain body part out into the water so he could dally with the lady types without them knowing what was happening. The book I read containing this story and many others pretty much read like it was put together by scholarly types who were pretty serious about what they were doing, but that almost all of the Native Americans they talked to were having a grand old time pulling one over on the White Man by telling nothing but their bawdiest sex stories with a straight face and insisting that these were legitimate legends. Though that may be unfair. There were some that weren't about sex. Instead, they were about horrific violence! And sometimes, both! Yaaaaay! |
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Post by fishtie on Nov 4, 2013 10:07:38 GMT
Dear god. Is he a perv or something?! One of the more innocuous of the stories I recall involved Coyote hiding behind some bushes near a riverbank where some lady types were bathing themselves. He extended a certain body part out into the water so he could dally with the lady types without them knowing what was happening. The book I read containing this story and many others pretty much read like it was put together by scholarly types who were pretty serious about what they were doing, but that almost all of the Native Americans they talked to were having a grand old time pulling one over on the White Man by telling nothing but their bawdiest sex stories with a straight face and insisting that these were legitimate legends. Though that may be unfair. There were some that weren't about sex. Instead, they were about horrific violence! And sometimes, both! Yaaaaay! This still sounds a lot like ancient Greek mythology to me. And Viking lore. And old druidic myths. And ancient Egyptian mythology. And old Indian tales. And African mythology. And... wait a minute... |
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Post by TBeholder on Nov 4, 2013 12:16:56 GMT
The book I read containing this story and many others pretty much read like it was put together by scholarly types who were pretty serious about what they were doing, but that almost all of the Native Americans they talked to were having a grand old time pulling one over on the White Man by telling nothing but their bawdiest sex stories with a straight face and insisting that these were legitimate legends. Well, given that those early "anthropologists" mostly wrote really weird fetish fics thinly veiled as "prehistorical theories" to begin with, it's not even chicken and egg, just a "demand and supply" matter... Look, you guys are putting way to much thought into this. Which doesn't really fit with the spirt of the crusades. True, but we don't get paid for bringing it home with us, so... firework it is. |
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 4, 2013 16:43:19 GMT
One of the more innocuous of the stories I recall involved Coyote hiding behind some bushes near a riverbank where some lady types were bathing themselves. He extended a certain body part out into the water so he could dally with the lady types without them knowing what was happening. The book I read containing this story and many others pretty much read like it was put together by scholarly types who were pretty serious about what they were doing, but that almost all of the Native Americans they talked to were having a grand old time pulling one over on the White Man by telling nothing but their bawdiest sex stories with a straight face and insisting that these were legitimate legends. Though that may be unfair. There were some that weren't about sex. Instead, they were about horrific violence! And sometimes, both! Yaaaaay! This still sounds a lot like ancient Greek mythology to me. And Viking lore. And old druidic myths. And ancient Egyptian mythology. And old Indian tales. And African mythology. And... wait a minute... Yeah... You all know the good old grimms fairy tails were also pretty dark. Like sleeping beauty. Someone did something to her while she was asleep  |
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 4, 2013 17:28:16 GMT
Yeah... You all know the good old grimms fairy tails were also pretty dark. Like sleeping beauty. Someone did something to her while she was asleep When my brother and I were littluns, our mom got a book of Grimm fairy tales to read to us because, hey, fairy tales. She quickly stopped reading them to us after she realized they were pretty much nothing but death, destruction, misery, and gore from one end to the other. I mean sure, the good guys generally won out in the end, but getting there would involve stuff like a king decapitating his twin sons and rubbing their bloody neck stumps all over the petrified hero of the story to bring him back to life. It's okay, though, because after he was restored, the hero then put the heads back on the twins and brought them back to life . . . somehow. Not that the king knew this would happen when he cut the kids' heads off, but hey, it all turned out okay, so the murder was justified after the fact, right? Right?! |
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Post by GK Sierra on Nov 4, 2013 18:34:16 GMT
Yeah, like the little mermaid dissolving into sea foam, or Cinderella getting buried under the kitchen floor (right after her sisters cut off toes to attempt to make the slipper fit).
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 4, 2013 18:39:07 GMT
Hell, even the Disneyfied stories have some pretty bad morals. Think Snow White. Why does the huntsman break down right before he kills her? Because he falls in love with her. Why do the Dwarves suddenly stop when they're about to kill her? Because they see her face and fall in love with her. What happens the one time she makes her own decision for herself? She eats a poisoned Apple and dies. What does the prince do when he sees her "dead" in the woods? He doesn't ask anyone "who's this dead broad?" He just kisses her, and miraculously brings her back to live. Morals? Women are supposed to be stupid and pretty, and nothing more.
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Post by fishtie on Nov 4, 2013 18:48:36 GMT
Hey, if Cinderella has taught me anything; it's that being nice and repressed gets you ATTACK BIRD MINIONS!
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Post by warrl on Nov 4, 2013 20:58:44 GMT
Hell, even the Disneyfied stories have some pretty bad morals. Think Snow White. Why does the huntsman break down right before he kills her? Because he falls in love with her. Why do the Dwarves suddenly stop when they're about to kill her? Because they see her face and fall in love with her. What happens the one time she makes her own decision for herself? She eats a poisoned Apple and dies. What does the prince do when he sees her "dead" in the woods? He doesn't ask anyone "who's this dead broad?" He just kisses her, and miraculously brings her back to live. Morals? Women are supposed to be stupid and pretty, and nothing more. But I like the Disneyfied version of Rapunzel. In fact I liked her so much that I swiped her for a D&D character. (With a slight twist in the backstory.) |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 4, 2013 21:21:38 GMT
Admittedly Rapunzel was fairly liberated compared to the earlier ones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2013 21:38:20 GMT
Yeah... You all know the good old grimms fairy tails were also pretty dark. Like sleeping beauty. Someone did something to her while she was asleep :( When my brother and I were littluns, our mom got a book of Grimm fairy tales to read to us because, hey, fairy tales. She quickly stopped reading them to us after she realized they were pretty much nothing but death, destruction, misery, and gore from one end to the other. I mean sure, the good guys generally won out in the end, but getting there would involve stuff like a king decapitating his twin sons and rubbing their bloody neck stumps all over the petrified hero of the story to bring him back to life. This is actually the most light-hearted book that has ever been written by a German. Other children's tales from our lush literary landscape have given us a pudgy boy who decides not to eat his daily soup anymore (and dies of starvation), another boy who's always looking at the clouds and overlooks a hole in the ground (and dies of skull fracture), a cheerful girl who's left home alone and plays with matches (and dies of involuntary self-immolation) and the story of a boy who keeps sucking his thumbs (the thumbs are cut off neatly by the tailor's human-sized scissors). This colourful anthology was composed by a German shrink as a Christmas present for his three-year-old son. |
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 5, 2013 0:11:04 GMT
Yeah... You all know the good old grimms fairy tails were also pretty dark. Like sleeping beauty. Someone did something to her while she was asleep When my brother and I were littluns, our mom got a book of Grimm fairy tales to read to us because, hey, fairy tales. She quickly stopped reading them to us after she realized they were pretty much nothing but death, destruction, misery, and gore from one end to the other. I mean sure, the good guys generally won out in the end, but getting there would involve stuff like a king decapitating his twin sons and rubbing their bloody neck stumps all over the petrified hero of the story to bring him back to life. It's okay, though, because after he was restored, the hero then put the heads back on the twins and brought them back to life . . . somehow. Not that the king knew this would happen when he cut the kids' heads off, but hey, it all turned out okay, so the murder was justified after the fact, right? Right?!One of them cut off their heel, the other the toe. Just saying Yeah... I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the original fairy tails were pretty violent? Edit: oops, I was supposed to be correcting GK Sierra. Sorry about that! D: |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 5, 2013 0:56:04 GMT
Hell, even the Disneyfied stories have some pretty bad morals. Think Snow White. Why does the huntsman break down right before he kills her? Because he falls in love with her. Why do the Dwarves suddenly stop when they're about to kill her? Because they see her face and fall in love with her. What happens the one time she makes her own decision for herself? She eats a poisoned Apple and dies. What does the prince do when he sees her "dead" in the woods? He doesn't ask anyone "who's this dead broad?" He just kisses her, and miraculously brings her back to live. Morals? Women are supposed to be stupid and pretty, and nothing more. Everyone's forgetting the original Little Red Riding Hood, where she dies in the end. Not to mention that the wolf in that story is a creeper too, in many older versions. |
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 5, 2013 5:37:33 GMT
Yeah... I thought it was pretty common knowledge that the original fairy tails were pretty violent? It is more so now, yeah, but this was back in the mid-80's when most people still learned their fairy tales from Little Golden Books and Neil Gaiman had only just gotten started on his writing career. Hah, no worries. I had been thinking of making the same correction myself, in fact. |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 5, 2013 14:49:48 GMT
When my brother and I were littluns, our mom got a book of Grimm fairy tales to read to us because, hey, fairy tales. She quickly stopped reading them to us after she realized they were pretty much nothing but death, destruction, misery, and gore from one end to the other. I mean sure, the good guys generally won out in the end, but getting there would involve stuff like a king decapitating his twin sons and rubbing their bloody neck stumps all over the petrified hero of the story to bring him back to life. This is actually the most light-hearted book that has ever been written by a German. Other children's tales from our lush literary landscape have given us a pudgy boy who decides not to eat his daily soup anymore (and dies of starvation), another boy who's always looking at the clouds and overlooks a hole in the ground (and dies of skull fracture), a cheerful girl who's left home alone and plays with matches (and dies of involuntary self-immolation) and the story of a boy who keeps sucking his thumbs (the thumbs are cut off neatly by the tailor's human-sized scissors). This colourful anthology was composed by a German shrink as a Christmas present for his three-year-old son. I've heard about that, it's a book to teach kids to behave or something? |
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Post by nightwind on Nov 5, 2013 15:04:49 GMT
Exactly that, written in 1845.
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 5, 2013 15:29:44 GMT
Sounds interesting. I'd go find it online if I had the time. Also, Senor Goose, I JUST GOT USED TO THE WEIRD SKELETON GUY! |
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Post by nightwind on Nov 5, 2013 15:35:57 GMT
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 5, 2013 15:41:42 GMT
I'm going to read that page Thanks! |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 5, 2013 15:52:10 GMT
Sounds interesting. I'd go find it online if I had the time. Also, Senor Goose, I JUST GOT USED TO THE WEIRD SKELETON GUY! THAT WAS SKELETOR! I've been having a sort of avatar identity crisis. I can't seem to find anything I like. Might go back to skeletor. |
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 5, 2013 15:54:55 GMT
Sounds interesting. I'd go find it online if I had the time. Also, Senor Goose, I JUST GOT USED TO THE WEIRD SKELETON GUY! THAT WAS SKELETOR! I've been having a sort of avatar identity crisis. I can't seem to find anything I like. Might go back to skeletor. Okay... I didn't recognize it. If it had his name on it, then consider me inobservant I have avatar crisis's too, you're not alone. But I rarely change it after I've chosen one, because I'm just a lazy bum |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 5, 2013 16:01:30 GMT
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 5, 2013 16:09:30 GMT
OH! That's Senor Goose. Ok. ...whut? |
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Post by Señor Goose on Nov 5, 2013 16:15:25 GMT
Did I confuse you?
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Post by quinkgirl on Nov 5, 2013 16:41:13 GMT
Yes. I mostly recognize people here with their avatars... They're glaringly larger than their names. So in my head you look like Skeletor |
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Post by Gotolei on Nov 5, 2013 17:37:43 GMT
Panel six. This guy. I thought that kind of face looked familiar.. Yes. I mostly recognize people here with their avatars... They're glaringly larger than their names. So in my head you look like Skeletor This is why I keep track of signatures for identifying people, as well as avatars  |
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Post by The Anarch on Nov 5, 2013 17:50:18 GMT
I just pretend like everyone I talk to online is the same person. Somehow it all works out in the end.
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Post by Toloc on Nov 5, 2013 18:51:21 GMT
Basically everything discussed here is public domain. So for reference: Struwwelpeter in all its frakked up beauty Grimm's Stories (not sure what edition...) Bonus(not public domain, but awesome): Gaiman's reinterpretation of Snow WhiteI'm always amused by the reactions of people who didn't grow up with it to Struwwelpeter "Wait, this isn't just a joke from Family Guy?! Wait, the Family Guy skid was more or less an accurate summary?! Wait, this is a childrens book?!" |
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Post by Daedalus on Nov 6, 2013 3:07:56 GMT
I'd go back to Skeletor. We've all associated it with your name and profile just like how I wouldn't change my screen-name nor pic, because they define my persona here. |
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