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Post by bonecarver on Sept 30, 2013 23:10:23 GMT
Hey, can anyone link me to the page where Coyote talks about his origin?
I had heard someone paraphrase it and I'd like to be able to quote it but I can't find it (I looked, and have been looking).
It has something to do with existing as an idea, I think.
It's been too long since I first heard the paraphrase, but if anybody can help me out that'd be great, thank you!
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Post by bonecarver on Sept 30, 2013 23:33:55 GMT
www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1056Finally found it, it's in this chapter if anyone's curiosity was piqued about wtf I was talking about. It was pretty deep in the series..
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Post by quinkgirl on Sept 30, 2013 23:40:26 GMT
Everybody loves Coyote's theory. It just makes you think how humans shouldn't be creative  |
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 1, 2013 13:35:07 GMT
...because creativity can lead to insane reality-warping canine gods. This should have been obvious to everyone.
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 1, 2013 15:12:51 GMT
...Does Coyote really count as a god? I just figured he had an O in Transfiguration...
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Post by descoladavirus on Oct 1, 2013 16:53:35 GMT
...Does Coyote really count as a god? I just figured he had an O in Transfiguration... Depends on what you call a god. To the Native Americans most of the secondary all powerful creatures were just spirits who are all knowing and embody certain creatures and aspects of nature. They wouldn't worry about offending Coyote if they had to kill a coyote, they would just do what they could to honor him afterward. That said from his abilities alone I'd consider Coyote a deity. All knowing, all powerful, omnipresent, capable of creating and destroying at will, etc. |
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Post by sidhekin on Oct 1, 2013 17:58:42 GMT
That said from his abilities alone I'd consider Coyote a deity. All knowing, all powerful, omnipresent, capable of creating and destroying at will, etc. knowing? I think not. He didn't seem to know how Annie got her scar, nor what the Court had done to make the Annan Waters a barrier. Besides, that kind of godmoding makes him pretty much the author of the story. And I don't think I'll want to equate Coyote and Tom ... All powerful? Possibly. For all practical purposes, he may as well be. So far ... Omnipresent? Not given a useful definition of presence. Then again, what is omnipresent, given a useful definition of presence? Spacetime? :-\ |
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 1, 2013 18:32:39 GMT
Omnipotence and omniscience cover it all really, omnipresence overlaps with them.
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 1, 2013 23:51:37 GMT
More specifically, he may not be omniscient, but as for omnipotent...we have seen very, very few limits to his power whatsoever.
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Oct 1, 2013 23:55:27 GMT
More specifically, he may not be omniscient, but as for omnipotent...we have seen very, very few limits to his pier whatsoever. Heh, who needs omniscience when I can be wherever I want whenever I want? As for omnipotent...well, I am very powerful, of course. Kneel, minions! Grovel before the great Coyote! |
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Post by CoyoteReborn on Oct 1, 2013 23:56:47 GMT
Not fast enough! NOW!!!
(Seriously, minions these days...)
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 2, 2013 5:35:18 GMT
Not fast enough! NOW!!! (Seriously, minions these days...) Run, people. Run like hell. |
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Post by Xan on Oct 2, 2013 11:09:15 GMT
(Seriously, minions these days...) What about them?..  |
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 2, 2013 23:17:20 GMT
(Seriously, minions these days...) What about them?.. "minions these days..." Are a crossbreed between minion and box bot! |
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Post by Daedalus on Oct 3, 2013 1:37:36 GMT
I...cannot imagine how that would work. I cannot reconcile those opposites.
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 3, 2013 3:18:08 GMT
I...cannot imagine how that would work. I cannot reconcile those opposites. Um... sarcasm again, correct? |
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Post by GK Sierra on Oct 3, 2013 6:37:05 GMT
I...cannot imagine how that would work. I cannot reconcile those opposites. Um... sarcasm again, correct? You should hire a full-time sarcasm detector. |
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 3, 2013 15:29:29 GMT
Um... sarcasm again, correct? You should hire a full-time sarcasm detector. I was born without a pun and sarcasm detector. Actually, I get sarcasm pretty well when its not online and I can hear the tone. LAUGHING ON LINE |
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 3, 2013 15:29:56 GMT
Um... sarcasm again, correct? You should hire a full-time sarcasm detector. I was born without a pun and sarcasm detector. Actually, I get sarcasm pretty well when its not online and I can hear the tone. LAUGHING ON LINE |
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Post by descoladavirus on Oct 7, 2013 15:17:59 GMT
All knowing might've been the wrong word. I think there's a lot of things Coyote knows but seems to hide, wanting someone to tell him about it. I mean look at how he talks, he seems to know the whole of human history before humanity's belief in him made him real, he's clearly capable of knowing some of what happens even when he isn't there. As for the all present, remember what people say about him is true. So long as they believe in it it makes it true. So the statement "My ever watching eyes, the sun and the moon" =  |
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Post by King Mir on Oct 7, 2013 22:54:10 GMT
Continued belief doesn't seem to be required. Jones doesn't have worshipers (well, not of the right kind), but seems to be a mythical being that continues to exist.
All that's needed is enough people to die who believe in him at some point in time, it seems.
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 7, 2013 23:07:14 GMT
Continued belief doesn't seem to be required. Jones doesn't have worshipers (well, not of the right kind), but seems to be a mythical being that continues to exist. All that's needed is enough people to die who believe in him at some point in time, it seems. You know, I have to wonder what Jones IS. I mean, she's technically a sentient immortal that looks like a human, that I get... but she's not like some sort of god or semi-god or whatever like Coyote, and she's definitely not a ghost... so what is she? |
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Post by King Mir on Oct 7, 2013 23:15:25 GMT
I guess she's a symbol of permanence and female beauty. To whom is the big question.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 7, 2013 23:30:52 GMT
She is a particular ideal of human beauty in appearance. But I think she is also, in chronological order:
1. a rock shaped like a woman
2. Galatea
3. the theoretical unbiased point-of-view implied in modern stories about prehistory (a "god" of science)
4. a counterbalance to the Coyote
5. Jimmyjim's substitute mom.
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 8, 2013 0:24:09 GMT
She is a particular ideal of human beauty in appearance. But I think she is also, in chronological order: 1. a rock shaped like a woman 2. Galatea 3. the theoretical unbiased point-of-view implied in modern stories about prehistory (a "god" of science) 4. a counterbalance to the Coyote 5. Jimmyjim's substitute mom. Counter balance to Coyote? Well, yeah, I guess I can see that. A random and giddy Coyote and a too-calm Jones As for number five... WHAT?! |
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Post by King Mir on Oct 8, 2013 2:12:19 GMT
She is a particular ideal of human beauty in appearance. But I think she is also, in chronological order: 1. a rock shaped like a woman 2. Galatea 3. the theoretical unbiased point-of-view implied in modern stories about prehistory (a "god" of science) 4. a counterbalance to the Coyote 5. Jimmyjim's substitute mom. Counter balance to Coyote? Well, yeah, I guess I can see that. A random and giddy Coyote and a too-calm Jones As for number five... WHAT?! Though she seems to be a romantic interest too. Which is plausible given that he was not so young when he met her. |
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 8, 2013 2:27:57 GMT
Counter balance to Coyote? Well, yeah, I guess I can see that. A random and giddy Coyote and a too-calm Jones As for number five... WHAT?! Though she seems to be a romantic interest too. Which is plausible given that he was not so young when he met her. Hold on, are you saying she likes Eglamore? I thought that weird because... She has known him since he was little. You don't usually fall for people like that. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 8, 2013 2:42:58 GMT
He was pretty young. If it's romantic at all I believe it to be one-sided, with Eggers liking Jones. And guessing by him not winding up with Surma, Surma not liking Jones, and the apparent fact that he remains a bachelor I I'm guessing he's emotionally dependant on her and I think the closest real-life parallel is a failure-to-launch. (shrug) Also: It's fun to imagine what Jones might have been like before she set down rules about how she treats life forms she examines.  Counter balance to Coyote? Well, yeah, I guess I can see that. A random and giddy Coyote and a too-calm Jones They've apparently had conflict before the events in the comic.
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Post by quinkgirl on Oct 8, 2013 2:45:48 GMT
eRGH... this is a fair sign I need to hurry it up with my re reading. I see how Jones maybe doesn't like Coyote much when he got Annie to stay at the forest over break.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 8, 2013 2:51:01 GMT
eRGH... this is a fair sign I need to hurry it up with my re reading. I see how Jones maybe doesn't like Coyote much when he got Annie to stay at the forest over break. I dunno if Jones likes or dislikes. Maybe the choices she makes are imitations. But I added some links to my previous post if you need a starting point for that encounter. |
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