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Post by Covalent on Sept 25, 2013 14:47:41 GMT
I hope she uses some sort of awesome flame attack or something; I haven't seen that happen in a while.
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Post by stephen on Sept 25, 2013 16:44:37 GMT
My reaction to this page was only "haha yeah, kick some ass" about the second half. The first half, however, is more "woah, what just happened to Annie, she doesn't look fully in control of her own faculties and that's worrying"
SOMETHING weird just happened. You don't blink and look as dazzled as that every time you come out of the ether.
The white glowy flash that connected the previous page to this one clearly means something. Either that's Annie being teleported back to the starting point, or it's her waking up from some kind of illusion.
If it's the latter, then the sequence with Coyote was part of the same illusion as the wisp itself. Which is concerning.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Sept 25, 2013 17:18:21 GMT
I see two distinct possibilities.
1. She doen't even remember what happened the last few pages. She just picks up where she left off, someone, probably Coyote did this for some reason.
2. She never moved at all, what happened have been an illusion. Doesn't have to mean ether, just a dream or illusion.
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Post by goldenknots on Sept 25, 2013 17:57:22 GMT
It happened in the ether, not physically, but that doesn't mean it didn't have significance. She got that scar in the ether, remember.
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Post by Nnelg on Sept 25, 2013 18:46:47 GMT
The transition from the last page to this page is somehow odd to me. When oh when did Annie get to that rock rubble when there were none nearby last page? It kinda made me feel like the entire sequence with the Wisp had never tangibly happened, with what those little bubbles of daze floating and popping about Annie. . Which suggests, no, which pretty much affirms that she didn't physically move anywhere but was pulled into the etheric realm by that call, so she followed the wisp-wasp to a "safe place" in the etheric. Okay, now that is just enerringly close to my theory... I was going to give it up after Coyote "turned out to just have been nearby" on monday. But now, the evidence is stronger than ever before. I am convinced that, somehow, Coyote is literally inside Annie's mind. Quite possibly in more ways than one; but by at least one meaning of that phrase, he's in her head. |
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Post by stephen on Sept 25, 2013 18:49:05 GMT
It happened in the ether, not physically, but that doesn't mean it didn't have significance. She got that scar in the ether, remember. Yes, she was in the ether for a bit. But something ELSE happened, too. We're talking about the flash of light, and the dazed, half-awake blinking. That's not what coming out out of the ether looks like. That looks like something is doing something to her mind. Also, it didn't look like we were seeing the ether on the previous page. Annie's clothes had color, there was a full and detailed and mundane background, her scar was not visible. So yeah. The flash of light and disoriented blinking are kinda suspicious. Best case scenario, teleportation, or a harmless illusion. Worst case scenario, something is tampering with her mind or memory. |
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Post by King Mir on Sept 25, 2013 19:16:05 GMT
I think the wisp charmed Annie and paralyzed her. It made her think she was following it into the woods. The Coyote intervened and saved Annie, but pulled her into the either, effectively maintaining the paralysis. Then offered his wisdom, and pranced off.
A for Coyote's motive: he likes Annie, and he's a teacher god.
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Sept 25, 2013 20:39:49 GMT
How about this, all that happened for real. For the sake of Coyote pulling strings(like he does with Ys), and then she was led back there or went back there. Having her memory removed a lá Coyote-will-keep-it-safe-for-you-style.
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Post by Nnelg on Sept 25, 2013 21:05:30 GMT
A for Coyote's motive: he likes Annie, and he's a teacher god. Um, I suggest you read that again... (It seems Coyote's plan to lull people into a false sence of security is SO effective, it's working on even a meta level. Actually, knowing Coyote... This could be intended.  ) |
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Post by King Mir on Sept 25, 2013 21:58:31 GMT
Well I'm not saying Annie should be BFFs with Coyote or that she can count on his coming to her aid in the future, or that he isn't liable to play a dangerous trick on her. But his appearance in this chapter does seem like he was watching over her. And his advice is sound.
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 25, 2013 21:59:20 GMT
Personally, I read this more as 'the wasp projects illusions to snare prey' (makes perfect sense for some evil esthetic thing), which Annie began to break out of as she saw the wasp as it really was, and Coyote finished dispelling it here (or it dispelled after the wasp died). And now hopefully we can see some epic beatdown of forest demons, no?
And Coyote would not kill her (at least not yet). She's currently his favorite plaything, and he obviously has plans involving her. For now, he will act as he always has towards her: trickster mentor who, like any other trickster, has murky objectives and is really in it for himself.
As for why he was hunting these, why not? They seem better for hunting than anything else in the forest we've seen so far.
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Post by crater on Sept 25, 2013 22:23:27 GMT
the wasp was deff going to lay ether eggs inside of Ann, anyone who has ever read manga knows this
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 26, 2013 2:11:34 GMT
I think the real problem resulting from this page will not be Ysengrin being physically hurt (well, any more than he is right now, though wood *does* burn well), but instead the the damage this may do to his ego. He has always been ridiculously proud (in the sense of the mortal sin), and finding himself saved by a 'mere human' could wreck their reborn friendship. Actually, that seems like a really, really Coyote thing to do...maybe that's his whole plan here. Just to giggle at their conflict.
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Post by The Anarch on Sept 26, 2013 3:46:50 GMT
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Post by smjjames on Sept 26, 2013 8:45:05 GMT
I think the real problem resulting from this page will not be Ysengrin being physically hurt (well, any more than he is right now, though wood *does* burn well), but instead the the damage this may do to his ego. He has always been ridiculously proud (in the sense of the mortal sin), and finding himself saved by a 'mere human' could wreck their reborn friendship. Actually, that seems like a really, really Coyote thing to do...maybe that's his whole plan here. Just to giggle at their conflict. True, however the whole point of this visit to the ruins is to strengthen her abilities. |
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Post by todd on Sept 26, 2013 10:31:19 GMT
One drawback of Annie coming to Ysengrin's rescue; after that, the monsters might respect him even less. They already appear to look on him as nothing without Coyote to support him - and if he now needs a little girl to come to his aid....
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Post by smjjames on Sept 26, 2013 13:44:14 GMT
I don't think they have a whole lot of respect for him now anyway.
It also occurs to me that he could be making smarter use of that armor, like for example sprout spines on his back.
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Post by snipertom on Sept 26, 2013 14:08:15 GMT
I'm fairly sure Ys was aware that this might happen and is hoping fire-head girl actually understands the lesson
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 26, 2013 14:50:12 GMT
I don't think they have a whole lot of respect for him now anyway. It also occurs to me that he could be making smarter use of that armor, like for example sprout spines on his back. Or even use the surrounding trees to grab the monsters, or get roots impale them. Or...yeah, either Ysengrin is losing intentionally (unlikely) or he's not using his resources sufficiently (likely, as Ysengrin is not very creative). Or perhaps he has warped his shape so far into the likeness of a human that he has to a large degree forgotten that he can fight in other ways. We'll never know. |
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Post by fish on Sept 26, 2013 17:08:47 GMT
It happened in the ether, not physically, but that doesn't mean it didn't have significance. She got that scar in the ether, remember. Yes, she was in the ether for a bit. But something ELSE happened, too. We're talking about the flash of light, and the dazed, half-awake blinking. That's not what coming out out of the ether looks like. That looks like something is doing something to her mind. Also, it didn't look like we were seeing the ether on the previous page. Annie's clothes had color, there was a full and detailed and mundane background, her scar was not visible. So yeah. The flash of light and disoriented blinking are kinda suspicious. Best case scenario, teleportation, or a harmless illusion. Worst case scenario, something is tampering with her mind or memory. We did see a flash of light while connecting to the ether once. Maybe Annie still had her non-ether appearance because she didn't realize she had been pulled in. Wisps lure travellers from their path into danger and death, is that right? Maybe Gunnerkrigg-Wisps lure people into the ether and kill their etheric self. I remember reading somewhere that, if your ether projection dies, you die as well (formspring maybe?). |
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Post by pineapplegoat on Sept 26, 2013 20:20:22 GMT
Yes, she was in the ether for a bit. But something ELSE happened, too. We're talking about the flash of light, and the dazed, half-awake blinking. That's not what coming out out of the ether looks like. That looks like something is doing something to her mind. Also, it didn't look like we were seeing the ether on the previous page. Annie's clothes had color, there was a full and detailed and mundane background, her scar was not visible. So yeah. The flash of light and disoriented blinking are kinda suspicious. Best case scenario, teleportation, or a harmless illusion. Worst case scenario, something is tampering with her mind or memory. We did see a flash of light while connecting to the ether once. Maybe Annie still had her non-ether appearance because she didn't realize she had been pulled in. Wisps lure travellers from their path into danger and death, is that right? Maybe Gunnerkrigg-Wisps lure people into the ether and kill their etheric self. I remember reading somewhere that, if your ether projection dies, you die as well (formspring maybe?). I think your onto something with that. Bismuth did want Annie to take it with her. What better way to wander around undetected is to take control of a human being and walk around in their guise. Most people can't see into the ether so its no different than with Jack and the head spiders. Since Annie is no mere human she was able to hear Coyotes' warning and repel her would-be parasite. This then allows Coyote to swoop in deal with the threat and take her mind away from what she has learned about Ysengrin being manipulated into attacking her. The second to last panel is likely her snapping back to reality after partially being entranced by Bismuth's influence. Now that she is equipped with her wits and Coyote's advice and opening a can of fire flavored diplomacy for her constituency. |
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Post by zombie on Sept 26, 2013 22:42:03 GMT
A for Coyote's motive: he likes Annie, and he's a teacher god. Coyote is first and foremost a Trickster God. Sometimes you might learn a lesson from his actions, but it's almost always the wrong thing. |
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Post by legion on Sept 26, 2013 23:06:06 GMT
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Post by Daedalus on Sept 26, 2013 23:34:46 GMT
This guy gets it (though how dare you link to TV Tropes!  Coyote is even included as one of the examples here) |
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 27, 2013 1:36:44 GMT
I don't think Coyote's feelings for anyone go beyond considering them objects of curiosity. So far he has not been shown to value anything, even himself.
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Post by legion on Sept 27, 2013 4:23:06 GMT
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Post by Nepycros on Sept 27, 2013 4:56:55 GMT
Okay, now that is just enerringly close to my theory... I was going to give it up after Coyote "turned out to just have been nearby" on monday. But now, the evidence is stronger than ever before. I am convinced that, somehow, Coyote is literally inside Annie's mind. Quite possibly in more ways than one; but by at least one meaning of that phrase, he's in her head. Well, that's an interesting point to consider... Really, when would he be able to link to her mind and insert himself there to defend her or tease her in the future? I say when he zapped her scar after seeing it for the first time. |
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Post by smjjames on Sept 27, 2013 5:18:45 GMT
That was more like the equivalent of a dark room suddenly becoming very bright, mainly because the forest is SO much more energetic etherically than the court. Okay, now that is just enerringly close to my theory... I was going to give it up after Coyote "turned out to just have been nearby" on monday. But now, the evidence is stronger than ever before. I am convinced that, somehow, Coyote is literally inside Annie's mind. Quite possibly in more ways than one; but by at least one meaning of that phrase, he's in her head. Well, that's an interesting point to consider... Really, when would he be able to link to her mind and insert himself there to defend her or tease her in the future? I say when he zapped her scar after seeing it for the first time. Yeah, perhaps he was never there physically (as hinted by the coyote skull before he chomped down). Edit, edity, edit: Keep screwing up the quotes...... |
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Post by GK Sierra on Sept 27, 2013 5:46:58 GMT
That's true. And later in the forest when he says "it was sad, we were all very sad" end etc. he seemed to mean it. Aside from those two moments, he seems completely nuts, and a callous, uncaring nuts at that. I wouldn't be surprised if he said it to manipulate her. I wouldn't be surprised if the "seed bismuth" was just Coyote trying to get Annie to let him across the bridge unnoticed. It seems mighty convenient that a god would just happen to be hunting right next to her at that very moment. |
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Post by Nnelg on Sept 27, 2013 13:22:17 GMT
Well, that's an interesting point to consider... Really, when would he be able to link to her mind and insert himself there to defend her or tease her in the future? I say when he zapped her scar after seeing it for the first time. I was thinking at some point during her stay in the forest, but that works too. |
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