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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 25, 2013 23:31:25 GMT
I wonder why the bodysnatching powers Renard has uses the mercury symbol, and also why bismuth represents Ys' lost ear. Edit: I also just realized that the symbol used for bismuth is also taurus in astrology... Mean anything? I never thought bismuth represents Yssy's lost ear, but rather that image on the Third Treatise was a clue that the court was somehow responsible for his injury. That was my personal take on it, with nothing to back up that supposition. |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Dec 25, 2013 23:47:37 GMT
Never thought of it that way... That might make sense too since it's only on the third treatise.
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Post by thshrkpnchr on Dec 26, 2013 9:12:09 GMT
I wonder why the bodysnatching powers Renard has uses the mercury symbol, and also why bismuth represents Ys' lost ear. Edit: I also just realized that the symbol used for bismuth is also taurus in astrology... Mean anything? I'll just put the wiki article here. And for Ysengrin's symbol, I think it was caused by the court in the war. E: dang don't even realize the next page  Also, is there any symbol associated with Ys? For his treebending power? |
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Post by Daedalus on Dec 26, 2013 19:50:43 GMT
I wonder why the bodysnatching powers Renard has uses the mercury symbol, and also why bismuth represents Ys' lost ear. Edit: I also just realized that the symbol used for bismuth is also taurus in astrology... Mean anything? I'll just put the wiki article here. And for Ysengrin's symbol, I think it was caused by the court in the war. E: dang don't even realize the next page Also, is there any symbol associated with Ys? For his treebending power? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think one of the treatises has him with the mercury symbol. Which is interesting, because that symbol is Rey's...unless it it symbolic of the gifts bestowed by Coyote. |
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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 27, 2013 3:50:25 GMT
I'll just put the wiki article here. And for Ysengrin's symbol, I think it was caused by the court in the war. E: dang don't even realize the next page Also, is there any symbol associated with Ys? For his treebending power? Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think one of the treatises has him with the mercury symbol. Which is interesting, because that symbol is Rey's...unless it it symbolic of the gifts bestowed by Coyote. I took a look at all five of the treatises and while many of them do have the mercury symbol, it isn't anywhere near Ys. Only the third has a symbol with him, and that is the bismuth on his missing ear. If he does have a symbol dedicated to him, we haven't seen it yet. |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on Dec 28, 2013 14:46:31 GMT
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Post by nightwind on Dec 28, 2013 15:51:08 GMT
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Post by Chancellor on Jan 22, 2014 0:48:54 GMT
I am very sorry for dredging up older things like this.
A thing I noted is, as was said the Alchemical symbol for Bismuth is also the same as the Zodiac for Taurus. The Bull. Bulls were a common sacrificial animal in a number of cultures. Thought this was interesting.
It made me recall a section of the Bible. I do not remember the name of the book in which the passage occurs, nor the names of persons related within. It's been a very long time since I encountered it, and I may not even remember reliably. What I would appear to recall is a King who wished to attack the Israelite people, but feared God protecting them. He called for a Prophet of the times, and through him tried to learn if God would grant him victory or destroy him. Each time he asked the Prophet, the King arranged for altars to be built and sacrifices burned in dedication of God, among the animals offered were Bulls. But the Prophet never returned with a definitive answer, even though every time he bade the Prophet speak, he offered greater and larger sacrifices. I don't believe he ever got what he wanted, and was probably smote later on.
A little thing that just came to me. The Court sacrificing more and more of itself in pursuit of answers they never receive.
Oh dear, a Necropost and a sloppy ramble right out the gate. Aren't I bold?
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Post by GK Sierra on Jan 22, 2014 5:55:39 GMT
Oh dear, a Necropost and a sloppy ramble right out the gate. Aren't I bold? [error: boldness value exceeds max of 255] [GKC hit team dispatched to residence]
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Post by Purgatorius on Jan 22, 2014 14:49:03 GMT
It made me recall a section of the Bible. I do not remember the name of the book in which the passage occurs, nor the names of persons related within. It's been a very long time since I encountered it, and I may not even remember reliably. What I would appear to recall is a King who wished to attack the Israelite people, but feared God protecting them. He called for a Prophet of the times, and through him tried to learn if God would grant him victory or destroy him. Each time he asked the Prophet, the King arranged for altars to be built and sacrifices burned in dedication of God, among the animals offered were Bulls. But the Prophet never returned with a definitive answer, even though every time he bade the Prophet speak, he offered greater and larger sacrifices. I don't believe he ever got what he wanted, and was probably smote later on.
You recall most of it correct. Balak (the king) wants Balaam the prophet to curse the israelites, in order to be able to defeat them in battle. Balaam had the power to curse and bless other people. But on orders from God, Balaam doesn't curse them, but blesses them instead. This happens three times, as the king tries to convince Balaak that the israelites poses a threat to the nation, and each time they perform an offering of seven bulls and seven rams. However, I don't think that is the bulls referenced to by the symbol of taurus. If so, it would be the first reference to the Bible in all of the comic. |
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Post by fanofts on Sept 2, 2014 2:42:20 GMT
... I'll just put the wiki article here. ... Just a heads up that I've added some alchemical images and copyedited the (EDIT: wikia page for Antimony (alchemy) Antimony alchemy wikia page). These are my changes. Probably needs more editing to reduce the clunkiness. Also, I made a longish comment on Reynardine's page here: my suggestion would be "When Reynardine possesses Annie's plush wolf toy,(page link here) his astral form's forehead displays one of the Three Primes alchemical symbols for Mercury (include image thumbnail here).". I'm asking for feedback here because I'm new to this discussion and never studied alchemy! |
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Post by smurfton on Sept 2, 2014 5:53:36 GMT
Your first link is blank, btw. As it happens, while most of your edit seems valid and works very well for clarity, you have to be really thorough about checking your alchemical symbols. They were mostly standardized, but the more commonly used elements had more than one symbol that was used. (Gold has NINE) Anyway, Antimony's symbol was used to represent Antimony, irl. It just wasn't the most common ones. |
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Post by fanofts on Sept 2, 2014 8:19:02 GMT
Your first link is blank, btw. As it happens, while most of your edit seems valid and works very well for clarity, you have to be really thorough about checking your alchemical symbols. They were mostly standardized, but the more commonly used elements had more than one symbol that was used. (Gold has NINE) Anyway, Antimony's symbol was used to represent Antimony, irl. It just wasn't the most common ones. Thanks, I fixed the blank link to now point to this. Yes, I originally intended to just copyedit and include images but ended up trying to find sources and finding quite a a few variations. |
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Post by Dvandaemon on Feb 26, 2015 16:26:52 GMT
Keep in mind that from what we know about Reynard a possessed doll's alchemical symbol is a combination of the entity and their owner. So half of Hetty's symbol may be of Adam's sister/bloodline. Actually, when Rey first possessed that body, the symbol was plain Antimony. It only became a combination symbol later. Right (super late response, don't know if anyone else has responded) but as far as we know Hetty is not a recent possession, she appears to have been around for a while. |
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Post by saardvark on Mar 15, 2018 13:57:02 GMT
The symbol the court makes with blinkerstones, also the same symbol that's on t-shirt prints and stuff. It's flashier than normal alchemical symbols, but when I look at it I realize that it's a Caudeceus made out of different symbols, sol/gold and bismuth. But then the symbols with the rest of the caudecus can make that into an antimony symbol and also an angel with open arms and horns. Who carried the caudeceus? Hermes, aka Mercury in Roman mythology. Who was he? A psychopomp. I fear there might be alot to uncover in GC. Here he is: www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=155 the angel wings here could also be taken to symbolize Kat, Angel of robot-kind... so that the full symbol reads Antimony (Annie) + Angel (Kat) + Rey (Mercury) + Court (Sol) + maker of the court [seed Bismuth] (Bismuth) |
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Post by melkiorwiseman on Mar 16, 2018 9:28:22 GMT
Here's a wild theory, derived from the idea that anyone who gets one of Coyote's gifts gets the mercury symbol: Perhaps the mercury symbol refers to Coyote himself (and per latest developments, possibly to Coyotegrin, unless the transformation broke the link).
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Post by saardvark on Mar 16, 2018 9:29:38 GMT
If my above interpretation is correct (and now we get into wild spec country) the symbol (which has presumably always been the same) is a prediction, a prophecy, if you will: the Court is completed when all these "elements" are present. So Rey, a relatively recent addition, is a critical component. (But I wild spec....)
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Post by saardvark on Mar 18, 2018 15:25:50 GMT
I wonder why the bodysnatching powers Renard has uses the mercury symbol, and also why bismuth represents Ys' lost ear. Edit: I also just realized that the symbol used for bismuth is also taurus in astrology... Mean anything? I never thought bismuth represents Yssy's lost ear, but rather that image on the Third Treatise was a clue that the court was somehow responsible for his injury. That was my personal take on it, with nothing to back up that supposition. or seed bismuth itself was responsible? Perhaps Ys tried to stop the rapid Court growth generated by the seed, failed and was injured somehow in the process..... |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Mar 18, 2018 16:04:11 GMT
I never thought bismuth represents Yssy's lost ear, but rather that image on the Third Treatise was a clue that the court was somehow responsible for his injury. That was my personal take on it, with nothing to back up that supposition. or seed bismuth itself was responsible? Perhaps Ys tried to stop the rapid Court growth generated by the seed, failed and was injured somehow in the process..... Coyote’s plans, both great and small, often get out of hand. His ear nibbles are no exception. |
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