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Post by melkior on Jun 22, 2013 14:00:27 GMT
Regarding the number 113 which appears so many times in GC, It's probably not significant but...
(Wikipedia)
Ununtrium
Chemical Element
Ununtrium is the temporary name of a chemical element with the temporary symbol Uut and atomic number 113. It is an extremely radioactive synthetic element; the most stable known isotope, ununtrium-286, has a half-life of 20 seconds.
Symbol: Uut
Atomic number: 113
Discovered: 2003
CAS ID: 54084-70-7
Atomic mass: 284 u
Chemical series: Metal
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Post by GK Sierra on Jun 22, 2013 20:09:26 GMT
Cool element. Shame it can't exist outside a cyclotron or reactor for more than a few blinks of an eye, although now that they've made desktop-size accelerators that can match the huge, mile-long ones, we might see more uses for it.
I want them to discover a new element and name it Unobtanium, just to make James Cameron smile.
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Post by Señor Goose on Jun 23, 2013 6:37:31 GMT
I checked the periodic table to see whether ununtrium was close to bismuth or antimony. It's a Knight's Jump to bismuth, but other than that it seems to be unconnected.
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Post by philman on Jun 23, 2013 13:08:39 GMT
Ununtrium is a hypothetical element at the moment (un un tri is just 1 1 3 in latin), if proven to have been made it will be given a name, usually after a famous scientist from history. The last one was element 112 Copurnicum I think. Looking at the wiki this one will end up being named by some japanese scientists, which will give the periodic table a bit more of an Asian flair which is nice.
And the term unobtanium has been around since the 50's, Cameron didn't invent that bit!
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Post by snipertom on Jun 23, 2013 16:12:39 GMT
WELL - this is what wikipedia says about 113: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/113_(number)Sounds like in number theory it's quite interesting. For mere mortals such as myself, less so. |
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Post by Per on Jun 23, 2013 16:45:29 GMT
The famous ticket number drawn by Andrew Hyland in Mother Sleiman's GB Marathon om g It's so famous I have absolutely no idea what this could even be about. |
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Post by snipertom on Jun 25, 2013 9:30:02 GMT
The famous ticket number drawn by Andrew Hyland in Mother Sleiman's GB Marathon om g It's so famous I have absolutely no idea what this could even be about. It's totally Jack's dad. Duh. |
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Post by melkior on Jul 1, 2013 9:05:03 GMT
Hetty's symbol in #1217 looks like "oil essence". If that's the same as an "essential oil" then it's a reference to smell or flavour. Since the smell of something can be a powerful reminder of a past event, I think that establishes Hetty's role in this chapter, if not in the story.
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Post by Corvo on Jul 1, 2013 12:04:44 GMT
Hetty's symbol in #1217 looks like "oil essence". If that's the same as an "essential oil" then it's a reference to smell or flavour. Since the smell of something can be a powerful reminder of a past event, I think that establishes Hetty's role in this chapter, if not in the story. That vertical line in the middle is troublesome. If the upper part of the symbol is supposed to be a triangle and we just can't see the tip for whatever reason, then it could be a quarteron. |
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Post by melkior on Jul 1, 2013 12:24:20 GMT
Here's the symbol which was labelled "oilessence" on one of the lists of alchemical symbols I downloaded.  |
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Post by gdwarf on Jul 1, 2013 14:28:54 GMT
Hetty's symbol seems to be the one for oil essence. I haven't been able to find an alchemical symbol which looks like Kat's (Diego's) symbol, so I'm going to presume that it's one or more of: too obscure to be on the internet; an ancient symbol but not connected to alchemy; a hodgepodge symbol combining elements from alchemical symbols or a totally made-up symbol. I have more research to do on a couple of other symbols. Let's make this thread a knowledge base. But don't add a symbol here unless it appears in the comic somewhere and always point to where the symbol appears if you're going to define it. Edit: Added pictures of the symbols and added Hetty's symbol. My quick research seems to indicate that Hetty's symbol could also be the one for ashes/"calx" or Neptune. One frustrating part of all this is how inconsistent some alchemists were with their symbology. |
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Post by Toloc on Jul 1, 2013 18:37:11 GMT
Saw this video on Gizmodo. It's about a Chemistry and science history professor who tries to recreate the alchemy experiments from 15-17 century. Incidentally it has a bit on Stibnite and the Star Of Antimony. Has anyone around here ever used the video tag? Am I the first one? Does that thing work? edit: apparently it does not... edit2: ah It does after all, it is just really picky about that video link. |
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Post by melkior on Jul 1, 2013 19:35:08 GMT
I thought about alternatives such as Neptune (below) but decided that the symbol which matched the best was oil essence. Until we get more evidence, I think further speculation is useless.  Neptune |
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Post by avurai on Jul 1, 2013 22:10:30 GMT
Regarding the number 113 which appears so many times in GC, It's probably not significant but... (Wikipedia) Ununtrium Chemical Element Ununtrium is the temporary name of a chemical element with the temporary symbol Uut and atomic number 113. It is an extremely radioactive synthetic element; the most stable known isotope, ununtrium-286, has a half-life of 20 seconds. Symbol: Uut Atomic number: 113 Discovered: 2003 CAS ID: 54084-70-7 Atomic mass: 284 u Chemical series: Metal This isn't the intent of the thread, but seeing as people are always looking into the meaning of this number, I'd thought I might add something interesting into the bin. likes.com/media/hidden-disney-characters-in-disney-movies?page=14It seems 113 is a very popular number to inject into one's work. |
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Post by Per on Jul 1, 2013 23:47:03 GMT
This has been brought up in the 113 thread. Tom said on Formspring it's not related to Disney/Pixar. |
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Post by gdwarf on Jul 5, 2013 11:10:02 GMT
Hetty's symbol is now easier to see, and looks like sulphur with a circle on top. Anyone have any idea what that stands for?
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Post by Per on Jul 5, 2013 12:00:03 GMT
Looks like three dots on top, meaning "oil", so the whole is "oil oil essence". Hetty has redundancies.
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Post by Corvo on Jul 5, 2013 16:30:55 GMT
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Post by melkior on Jul 5, 2013 20:23:14 GMT
Because the symbol is not closed at the top, I'm still inclined to go with my first impression that it's "oil essence" but that extra stroke on the bottom does seem to be saying "phosphorus" as well, and the mark at the top could be three dots meaning "oil". I'm going with those until and unless we get a clearer look at the symbol.
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Post by Corvo on Jul 5, 2013 20:57:40 GMT
I think it's two different symbols overlapping. You know, one for Adam, the other for his sister... Something like that.
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Post by melkior on Jul 8, 2013 14:16:27 GMT
Suddenly, without any warning, the symbol on Rey's forehead becomes not Antimony nor Mercury but a combination symbol with elements of both!
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Post by melkior on Jul 11, 2013 9:18:23 GMT
And with page 1221, we have confirmation that the symbol Rey bears has changed. Compare Rey's Mercury symbol and the Antimony symbol on the doll on page 54. Also compare the Antimony symbols on pages 80 and 214.
What does this signify? Is Rey starting to assert himself and Antimony is losing her ownership of him somehow, or is the change symbolic of Rey becoming more "in tune with" Antimony?
Time (and Tom) will tell (we hope).
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Post by Per on Jul 11, 2013 14:56:03 GMT
Links, please?
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Post by philman on Jul 11, 2013 22:26:22 GMT
Alright, I went back using the comic tag database for the latest comics with Renard in, and clipped out the times we can see the symbol:  The symbol does appear to change over time, from a more curly horn-shape to a more semi-circular shape. But it changed TWO CHAPTERS AGO, in 'Changes'. Specifically, while Annie and Kat are confronting the seraph robots inside the warehouse where they took Robot after kidnapping him. And even after it changed, it changed back to the old curly style again a couple of pages later, then back to semi-circle again for the meeting where the mediums are appointed. Personally, given the changing back and forth between styles, the lack of significant event when the style changed, and the relative similarity between the symbols I think it is more an artistic change rather than a story-driven change. And given none of us noticed TWO CHAPTERS AGO, it is hardly a significant change anyway! |
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Post by melkior on Jul 12, 2013 4:25:05 GMT
It's possible that it's just a different art style, but it may also be symbolic of Rey being allowed to decide some things for himself instead of always having to follow Annie's orders.
In other words, the more Annie lets Rey be "himself", the more the symbol tends to mutate into a cross between Antimony and Mercury. Any time Annie asserts her command over Rey, the symbol goes back to being just Antimony.
But maybe I'm simply grasping at straws. I expect that time will tell.
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Post by Ender on Jul 12, 2013 4:31:03 GMT
I dunno, it's one thing for his style to change for the way he depicts people and such, but the way a symbol is drawn is kind of a significant thing. I get the feeling it's more important than just an art style change.
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Post by htown on Jul 12, 2013 4:38:40 GMT
Here's my wild idea: Annie's ownership to the doll is weakening as she grows up. Older girls and young women don't have dolls, so as Annie becomes more adult, her possession of a little girl's doll is weaker.
Wild speculation though! - I'm not even sure I'm 100% on it...
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Post by htown on Jul 12, 2013 4:42:13 GMT
Now that I think about it- maybe this is Annie's conscious doing. we know she trusts him more (letting him stay out until "not too late") whereas she used to lock him in a box. So maybe her leniency is manifested in the symbol change. She may have started out as a quiet,rule-following little girl, but now she's more of a rebellious free spirit, so maybe because of this she has "loosened her grasp" on renard's contract, so to speak.
TL;DR: Annie is less overbearing so the symbol is less dominantly antimony
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Post by Señor Goose on Jul 12, 2013 7:30:42 GMT
I have a theory about Rey's symbol too, it's pretty crazy: What if, midway through illustrating Changes, Tom got tired of drawing such a complicated symbol and started drawing a simpler one?
Hopefully the Big Man himself can drop by and answer a few things for us.
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Post by philman on Jul 14, 2013 20:58:55 GMT
I have a theory about Rey's symbol too, it's pretty crazy: What if, midway through illustrating Changes, Tom got tired of drawing such a complicated symbol and started drawing a simpler one? Hopefully the Big Man himself can drop by and answer a few things for us. I wouldn't say the origional antimony symbol was complicated, but yeah I think it is almost certainly down to just a minor artistic change rather than anything else. |
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