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Post by dracazula on May 28, 2013 12:16:41 GMT
I mean, I understand that some people feel attracted to both sexes but. IMO, you had to have been in a relationship with both male and female to be qualified as bisexual. in Kat's case I can't really call her week with a bird a relationship, ala she’s lesbian until proven otherwise OK, so we'll just toss out not only Alistair but also her supposed childhood "crush" on the very masculine family friend. The way I see it, Kat is a fictional person and Tom holds the reins to who she is. If Kat was a real person you wouldn't just slap a term on her, you would expect her to decide what terms, if any apply to her. That's her call, not yours. Since Kat isn't real, Tom is the one who gets to decide what labels apply to her. You notice that there was not one use of a term ("homosexual", "bisexual", "lesbian", etc) in the comic itself. The closest we got was "like that" back in Faraway Morning. To me, that suggests that Tom isn't interested in pinning Kat down with a label. She's still growing up and still developing herself. In this case she decided that she's willing to give a relationship with Paz a try - that doesn't automatically make her a lesbian, that's it, show's over folks! She still has a long time to come to terms with who she is and what she likes. For the record: "bisexual" — adj 1. sexually attracted by both men and women |
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Post by download on May 28, 2013 12:24:32 GMT
Hahaha. No. That's just dumb. I'm not even going to sugarcoat that
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Post by csj on May 28, 2013 12:43:51 GMT
Hahaha. No. That's just dumb. I'm not even going to sugarcoat that Inorite. Do I have to bang a chick to be considered straight? |
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Post by Toloc on May 28, 2013 12:48:02 GMT
I mean, I understand that some people feel attracted to both sexes but. IMO, you had to have been in a relationship with both male and female to be qualified as bisexual. So by that definition anyone who has never been in a relationship is asexual? Let's just say I disagree and leave it at that. You're gonna get enough flag as is. |
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Post by rinabean on May 28, 2013 14:08:23 GMT
I am identifying with Kat soooo much right now. Tom if you are reading please I am begging you please make them happy lesbians forever and ever
It's not sudden and it's not forced and it's not propaganda (good grief). It is beautiful and realistic and I honestly never thought I could ever read a man writing about romance between teenage girls and actually ENJOY IT (normally I settle for 'not hating it'). GKC was already my favourite webcomic and now it's my double-favourite!
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Post by sunday on May 28, 2013 14:18:58 GMT
IMO, you had to have been in a relationship with both male and female to be qualified as bisexual. ...I somehow doubt that I should consider myself asexual just because I've never been in a relationship Anyway, sexuality is something you know for yourself, there's no need in passing exams to prove it |
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Post by fujo on May 28, 2013 14:32:04 GMT
I registered just to post this. I'm going to go a little beyond the obvious here (Ha Ha Ha she's so lesbian No she ain't Yes she is No she's bi) and speak a bit about my personal view. First of all: I'm straight. Secondly: I admit i can find a person of my gender, 'specially an actor, or a work of classic art, beautiful, even think "Wow, that's hot,". That doesn't make me any more homosexual. Nor does having a particularly deep friendship with someone, like my (self-proclaimed) sibling - or with some of my other friends either. That brings me to the point. My (self-appointed) sibling was one to me when no one else was. Our friendship was born out of random chance, Just like Annie and Kat's and i'm positive that if she -was- of the opposite gender i might have had romantic feelings (which don't have a whole lot to do with sex, despite what you might think) for that person. If you have a sibling by blood, to feel a romantic attraction isn't common, but it can happen. The depth of the bond might just be the same. Long time partners in a romantic relationship, in their old age, can drop the sex entirely and feel just as close, because they're family. Take a look here. www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=man%20crush&defid=2652438"A 'man crush' can basically be described as not a homosexual lust, but a human lust." Now, after this blurb, let's talk about Kat. She's lonely. Not because she's antisocial, it just happens. Her only actual friend (as in "friend", not "passing acquaintance" as the term is normally used) is Annie. She may feel like expanding the circle, and i'd be hard pressed not to accept Paz's try to do that. She was just so nice in what she said...and she wasn't even implying anything at all. She just asked her to be friends, and said she admired her. Kat was obviously surprised, but accepted it and so should we all. Just stop overthinking it. |
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Post by The Anarch on May 28, 2013 14:36:48 GMT
I mean, I understand that some people feel attracted to both sexes but. IMO, you had to have been in a relationship with both male and female to be qualified as bisexual. Sexuality isn't about who you're with, it's specifically about who/what you're attracted to. You don't have to be in a relationship with someone of the opposite sex to be attracted to members of the opposite sex and therefore be heterosexual. |
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Post by kukapetal on May 28, 2013 15:11:51 GMT
Those are certainly valid interpretations of what's going on there. However, considering that Kat just agreed to go on a date with a girl who was hitting on her, it sure looks like I'm the one who is right here.  Well, the current situation doesn't necessarily prove that those specific examples were hints. I mean, I could say that the color shirt Kat wore in her first appearance was a total hint, and that her agreeing to go out with a girl proves I was right about that being a hint, but I wouldn't be right. |
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Post by TBeholder on May 28, 2013 15:22:58 GMT
Well, the current situation doesn't necessarily prove that those specific examples were hints. I mean, I could say that the color shirt Kat wore in her first appearance was a total hint, and that her agreeing to go out with a girl proves I was right about that being a hint, but I wouldn't be right. ...in which case the accepted methods are to simply ignore anything not leading to the desired conclusion, or to claim everything contradicting it somehow proves it anyway. Really, it's not like you're the first day in any fandom?.. ;D |
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Post by dismalscientist on May 28, 2013 17:22:01 GMT
Well, the current situation doesn't necessarily prove that those specific examples were hints. I mean, I could say that the color shirt Kat wore in her first appearance was a total hint, and that her agreeing to go out with a girl proves I was right about that being a hint, but I wouldn't be right. I’m with you here. Concerning Reynard’s make-out comment, nothing plausibly links Kat’s embarrassment to having romantic feelings toward other females. If someone joked (say) about her making out with her father she’d probably be embarrassed, too — that wouldn’t be a hint that she’s patrisexual. So why should Reynard’s comment have been a hint? And I can’t see anything about Jack’s comment that even obliquely refers to a relationship between Kat and Annie, just that they’re friends (and alone because of Annie’s standoffishness). This feels like cherry-picking anything that may remotely fit. What about her wearing masculine coveralls? Referring to Annie as her main babe? Are these all references to her sexuality, too? Maybe liking Eglamore was another reference, he has well-developed pectorals, after all. The other examples do clearly indicate embarrassment about feelings toward the same sex, but those occurred within the context of this developing subplot. |
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Post by TBeholder on May 28, 2013 18:31:29 GMT
Concerning Reynard’s make-out comment, nothing plausibly links Kat’s embarrassment to having romantic feelings toward other females. See, you're not thinking like a shipper here. Kat blushed, so this "proves" Renard was right. If she didn't blush, this would also "prove" Renard was right. |
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Post by lit on May 28, 2013 18:33:02 GMT
See, this entire time I thought that what Kat was struggling with was her gender identity. I thought it was a very mature move on Tom's part because people often confuse the two. (I.e. Assume that a girl with more societal masculine traits is queer or assume that a more effeminate male is straight.) As in, people thought she was queer and because she is a wee child, that made her go out of her way to say, "Hey y'all! I really am a girl!" But hey. I actually think this is a quite logical progress. Whether she initially had a crush on Paz or not, she's someone who wanted a relationship. I've definitely been in situations where I didn't initially have a crush on the person but started liking them when they showed an interest to me. So she's curious and wants to experiment and that'll be a lot of fun to explore. : ) I'm still interested to see if Kat's gender identity will be explored any more. It's evident she's uncomfortable in feminine clothes at the very least, and lately in particular, with her new haircut and all, she seems to be going for a more androgynous look; at the same time she's afraid of being judged and excluded for it. Gender identity is pretty flexible and you can totally be a tomboy and wear boy clothes and be into sciences and robotics and still identify as a girl, and that might be what Kat does. But I feel like she's at least probably thinking about it, and I guess I'd be curious to see what she's thinking. |
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Post by ryrmyrbyr on May 28, 2013 18:33:36 GMT
this page is SOOOOO.... TENDER also, sorry but when two chicks go out with eachother they are lesbian. When two guys go out they are gay. Anything other than that is newage nonsense maybe you don't use "labels" like that but that's the reality of the situation Hypothesis: If two chicks go out with each other, they are lesbian. Statement: If two chicks go out with each other, Conclusion: they are lesbian. The hypothesis is false because other conclusions are possible. "they are bisexual" and "they are straight" are also possibilities here. The only thing you can be certain of is the statement "two chicks are going out with eachother". The only way to confirm that they are lesbians is to ask them. |
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Post by hargharg on May 28, 2013 18:50:35 GMT
... And I can’t see anything about Jack’s comment that even obliquely refers to a relationship between Kat and Annie, just that they’re friends (and alone because of Annie’s standoffishness). This feels like cherry-picking anything that may remotely fit. What about her wearing masculine coveralls? Referring to Annie as her main babe? Are these all references to her sexuality, too? Maybe liking Eglamore was another reference, he has well-developed pectorals, after all. ... So what comment would "obliquely refer" a relationship between Kat and Annie in your opinion? Concerning Reynard’s make-out comment, nothing plausibly links Kat’s embarrassment to having romantic feelings toward other females. See, you're not thinking like a shipper here. Kat blushed, so this "proves" Renard was right. If she didn't blush, this would also "prove" Renard was right. I don't understand. Prove Renard's right about what? |
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Post by snipertom on May 28, 2013 19:00:09 GMT
ALL OF THEM ARE LESBIANS ESPECIALLY EGGERS AND JONES AND MORT AND COYOTE AND SHADOW
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Post by ryrmyrbyr on May 28, 2013 19:02:26 GMT
ALL OF THEM ARE LESBIANS ESPECIALLY EGGERS AND JONES AND MORT AND COYOTE AND SHADOW If Shadow is a lesbian, then is Robot gay? |
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Post by hargharg on May 28, 2013 19:04:08 GMT
ALL OF THEM ARE LESBIANS ESPECIALLY EGGERS AND JONES AND MORT AND COYOTE AND SHADOW Not. Helping. x D |
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Post by spritznar on May 28, 2013 19:25:46 GMT
Well, the current situation doesn't necessarily prove that those specific examples were hints. I mean, I could say that the color shirt Kat wore in her first appearance was a total hint, and that her agreeing to go out with a girl proves I was right about that being a hint, but I wouldn't be right. I’m with you here. Concerning Reynard’s make-out comment, nothing plausibly links Kat’s embarrassment to having romantic feelings toward other females. If someone joked (say) about her making out with her father she’d probably be embarrassed, too — that wouldn’t be a hint that she’s patrisexual. So why should Reynard’s comment have been a hint? i would actually expect the reaction to be shock, horror, disgust or anger if someone joked about kat making out with her father, not blushing embarrasment. why was the thought of making out with annie embarrassing to kat? the only reason i can think of is that she was embarrassed that someone suggested she had gayish tendancies. why is that embarrassing? well, one, if you have at least a little bit of homophobia or two, if you actually do have those feelings but don't want people to know (these two things might be related). basically it's a mild case of the lady doth protest too much. does this prove anything? no. but it does open up the possibility |
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Post by crater on May 28, 2013 19:30:54 GMT
I mean, I understand that some people feel attracted to both sexes but. IMO, you had to have been in a relationship with both male and female to be qualified as bisexual. in Kat's case I can't really call her week with a bird a relationship, ala she’s lesbian until proven otherwise OK, so we'll just toss out not only Alistair but also her supposed childhood "crush" on the very masculine family friend. The way I see it, Kat is a fictional person and Tom holds the reins to who she is. If Kat was a real person you wouldn't just slap a term on her, you would expect her to decide what terms, if any apply to her. That's her call, not yours. Since Kat isn't real, Tom is the one who gets to decide what labels apply to her. You notice that there was not one use of a term ("homosexual", "bisexual", "lesbian", etc) in the comic itself. The closest we got was "like that" back in Faraway Morning. To me, that suggests that Tom isn't interested in pinning Kat down with a label. She's still growing up and still developing herself. In this case she decided that she's willing to give a relationship with Paz a try - that doesn't automatically make her a lesbian, that's it, show's over folks! She still has a long time to come to terms with who she is and what she likes. For the record: "bisexual" — adj 1. sexually attracted by both men and women lthis is psychobabble about a fictional character that DOESNT MAKE SENSE. I don’t know anything about psychology or sexual identity. Read it if you care. But Kat could have fawned over Elgz the way Arnold Schwarzenegger fawned over sweaty muscular men as a young boy. Not because he was sexually attracted to them, but because he didn't have a strong muscular father to fit his inner macho man. Me labeling Kat “lesbian” is perfectly legitimate, hell Zimmy and Gamma did, they just didn’t say it out right. look I'll I'm trying to say is, and this is my opinion, Even if you’re bisexual you're going to always feel attracted to one sex more than the other. Even if the difference in attraction is meniscal and completely irrelevant in a relationship. |
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Post by spritznar on May 28, 2013 19:36:48 GMT
[...]let's talk about Kat. She's lonely. Not because she's antisocial, it just happens. Her only actual friend (as in "friend", not "passing acquaintance" as the term is normally used) is Annie. She may feel like expanding the circle, and i'd be hard pressed not to accept Paz's try to do that. She was just so nice in what she said...and she wasn't even implying anything at all. She just asked her to be friends, and said she admired her. Kat was obviously surprised, but accepted it and so should we all. Just stop overthinking it. ... "she wasn't even implying anything at all" ... "[paz] just asked [kat] to be friends, and said she admired her." ... ... it sounds like you're suggesting paz did not in fact ask kat on a date? ... someone please tell me i misinterpreted that |
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Post by spritznar on May 28, 2013 19:40:43 GMT
I don’t know anything about psychology or sexual identity. this i believe. perhaps you might be interested in reading posts from some of the people here who do know something about them? |
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Post by Toloc on May 28, 2013 19:42:09 GMT
ALL OF THEM ARE LESBIANS ESPECIALLY EGGERS AND JONES AND MORT AND COYOTE AND SHADOW Finally someone here is talking sense. |
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Post by chendzeeali on May 28, 2013 19:43:18 GMT
Can we step back and just realize that regardless of gender and drama. These last few pages have simply been about two lonely souls who stumbled into each other. And after some awkward moments decided to take a chance. It's really that simple.
You don't have to assign a label to them. Just accept the scene for what it is. Heartwarming, delicate and hopeful.
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Post by spritznar on May 28, 2013 19:44:58 GMT
Can we step back and just realize that regardless of gender and drama. These last few pages have simply been about two lonely souls who stumbled into each other. And after some awkward moments decided to take a chance. It's really that simple. You don't have to assign a label them. Just accept the scene for what it is. Heartwarming, delicate and hopeful. seconded |
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Post by dracazula on May 28, 2013 19:46:01 GMT
OK, so we'll just toss out not only Alistair but also her supposed childhood "crush" on the very masculine family friend. The way I see it, Kat is a fictional person and Tom holds the reins to who she is. If Kat was a real person you wouldn't just slap a term on her, you would expect her to decide what terms, if any apply to her. That's her call, not yours. Since Kat isn't real, Tom is the one who gets to decide what labels apply to her. You notice that there was not one use of a term ("homosexual", "bisexual", "lesbian", etc) in the comic itself. The closest we got was "like that" back in Faraway Morning. To me, that suggests that Tom isn't interested in pinning Kat down with a label. She's still growing up and still developing herself. In this case she decided that she's willing to give a relationship with Paz a try - that doesn't automatically make her a lesbian, that's it, show's over folks! She still has a long time to come to terms with who she is and what she likes. For the record: "bisexual" — adj 1. sexually attracted by both men and women lthis is psychobabble about a fictional character that DOESNT MAKE SENSE. I don’t know anything about psychology or sexual identity. Read it if you care. But Kat could have fawned over Elgz the way Arnold Schwarzenegger fawned over sweaty muscular men as a young boy. Not because he was sexually attracted to them, but because he didn't have a strong muscular father to fit his inner macho man. Me labeling Kat “lesbian” is perfectly legitimate, hell Zimmy and Gamma did, they just didn’t say it out right. look I'll I'm trying to say is, and this is my opinion, Even if you’re bisexual you're going to always feel attracted to one sex more than the other. Even if the difference in attraction is meniscal and completely irrelevant in a relationship. I'll go over this one more time before giving up. Zimmy and Gamma never used the word "lesbian," Zimmy just made teasing comments about Kat possibly being attracted to girls, a state which exists in more than just lesbians (aka bisexuals, or people who are currently questioning). A lesbian is a woman who is sexually attracted to other women. We have no idea if Kat is sexually attracted to anyone, and frankly she is almost too young to be worrying about that herself. And moreover, we don't necessarily know if this relationship with Paz will work out, if she will decide that she is attracted to women, and if she will decide that she is not attracted to men. In short, calling Kat a lesbian this quickly is rather silly and hasty. |
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Post by dismalscientist on May 28, 2013 19:56:09 GMT
So what comment would "obliquely refer" a relationship between Kat and Annie in your opinion? I’m not sure, not being much of a dialogue writer. But this doesn’t seem to imply any kind of romantic relationship: “That’s why you two are always alone. And you think I’m a creep.” Perhaps if he’d said something like “That’s why you two are always alone. No one else likes her … you must really like her.” I’m with you here. Concerning Reynard’s make-out comment, nothing plausibly links Kat’s embarrassment to having romantic feelings toward other females. If someone joked (say) about her making out with her father she’d probably be embarrassed, too — that wouldn’t be a hint that she’s patrisexual. So why should Reynard’s comment have been a hint? i would actually expect the reaction to be shock, horror, disgust or anger if someone joked about kat making out with her father, not blushing embarrassment. It depends. If someone commented that she should make out with her father because she was behaving in a particularly clingy way (cuddling with him, holding his hand), then I’d expect embarrassment. Alongside disgust, maybe, but embarrassment enough to justify blushing and turning away. Well, why was Annie angry about the thought of making out with Kat? They both reacted poorly because Reynard made a sudden, unwelcome, overtly sexual comment. Heck, I’m 31 and prudish enough that sexual comments tend to make me embarrassed whatever their implied orientation. I don’t think it means anything about my gender preferences. I had a telephone interview the other day and became really embarrassed at a forgotten detail — and then a bit of stuttering and dry mouth. Do I protest too much? Do I like forgetting details and stumbling over words? |
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Post by ryrmyrbyr on May 28, 2013 19:58:46 GMT
Can we step back and just realize that regardless of gender and drama. These last few pages have simply been about two lonely souls who stumbled into each other. And after some awkward moments decided to take a chance. It's really that simple. You don't have to assign a label to them. Just accept the scene for what it is. Heartwarming, delicate and hopeful. Look. Our brains need labels to categorize our fictional characters. Paz and Kat can't be just Paz and Kat. It has to be lesbian and lesbian. |
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Post by SerenaJo on May 28, 2013 20:04:39 GMT
look I'll I'm trying to say is, and this is my opinion, Even if you’re bisexual you're going to always feel attracted to one sex more than the other. Even if the difference in attraction is meniscal and completely irrelevant in a relationship. Being more attracted to one gender doesn't completely negate feelings for the other though, so people who feel that way generally don't feel the need to switch labels based on who they're dating. I think most people just want to see Kat and Paz happy however they may (or may not) identify because they're great characters. |
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Post by spritznar on May 28, 2013 20:09:21 GMT
dismalscientist, we are not going to agree on this.
emotions are complex things with a lot of equally possible permutations and interpretations.
you read them through the lense of your experience and i read them through the lense of mine.
[edit] although i suppose the difference is that my lense allowed for the possibility of your interpretation. yours apparently didn't allow for the possibilty of mine
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