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Post by freeformline on May 28, 2013 3:54:44 GMT
I love my lesbians, i mean who doesn't hell i used to be one but yaknow transsexual now and stuff but that doesn't matter, what matters is Kat and Paz. You know what worries me about them? the big ol' judging machine (pretty much people who think their opinions matter) sure most will be fine. Annie might be lonely and may try to intervene with them but she would accept eventually . parents on the other hand would be a worrying topic. blegh i really want to do the characters and reactions to this but its late and i need sleep. Even if i did there's still a chance this would all fall apart anyway and turn out to just be some experiment and it all goes to crap. sigh I don't know about the "judging machine", Frankly I'd like to see something like this. "wait, let me get this straight, you live in the Court, here there are walking plants, puppet demon wolves, ghosts, minotaurs, fire elemental girls, dryads, spider girls, robots, wizards, people that talk with animals, gods and who knows what else, but what really freak you out are two girls dating each other?? you have some confused priorities, man." And about KAt/paz, I don't want to ruin it for anybody but I think it is still possible that a) Kat said "ok, yeah" to not break Paz's heart, I mean , if she had said no, well, the thing end there (in tears, probably) but if she say yes, she can gain some time and try to drop her softly, after all she just asked for some dates, not to marry her and adopt an half dozen children, b) it is possible that Kat fell something for Paz, but she is not sure of what it is, if just friendship or something more (I mean, she is a teenager and if memory don't fail me the natural state for a teenager is confusion), so she is willing to give it a try, but it still could go either ways.. As a teenager/newly minted legal adult, you are darned right it is mostly spent in confusion! I never personally struggled with identifying my sexuality (which is pretty clearly straight), but I understand others dealing with it, especially girls. Women are shown to have a more dynamic sexuality than men, which explains why Kat would change from liking charming man-birds to charming young ladies so easily. Of course, given that they are confused teenagers, I agree that it is a little too early to call anything. I just hope that Tom continues to keep romantic troubles only a small part of his very complex story. Don't get me wrong, I support gay rights as much as any open-minded and decent person, but as a straight guy in a very liberal area, I am not really interested in getting beat upon the head with more gender-equality propaganda than I already am. The very talented Tom is keeping everything well-balanced for now, though, and I am confident that he will keep it that way. Good on you, Mr. Siddell! |
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Post by crank on May 28, 2013 4:04:30 GMT
Well I have say I'm a bit disappointed in this chapter... Not because of the kat/paz romance, but because I really identified with kat. I'm a straight female but have always been a tomboy and really into sciences... Kat was always my fave character because of how much I identified with her...
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Post by piat on May 28, 2013 4:17:30 GMT
Well I have say I'm a bit disappointed in this chapter... Not because of the kat/paz romance, but because I really identified with kat. I'm a straight female but have always been a tomboy and really into sciences... Kat was always my fave character because of how much I identified with her... You two can be similar, but you don't have to be the same person. Think of her like your abstract cousin. You can still identify with her, but only to the extent you want to. After that she's her own person in her own comic. On a related but different topic, I don't think the comic would be going into non-cliche territory by making Kat straight. The straight tomboy trope has been done in several other places (I'd say Korra is one though some may disagree. I suppose Parley counts?) Though the comic would be doing something new by making Kat think she's lesbian, then discover she's not and was only afraid of that others thought she was lesbian because of how boyish she looked. |
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Post by Lizuka on May 28, 2013 4:37:59 GMT
I've gotta admit, I was hoping this wouldn't happen. Not at all opposed to having gay or lesbian characters, very much welcome it in fact, but in Kat's case it just seems pretty sudden and very forced. I mean, she's clearly bisexual at least, but still, the whole thing just seems out of nowhere and unnecessary.
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Post by kukapetal on May 28, 2013 4:42:07 GMT
Well I have say I'm a bit disappointed in this chapter... Not because of the kat/paz romance, but because I really identified with kat. I'm a straight female but have always been a tomboy and really into sciences... Kat was always my fave character because of how much I identified with her... Yeah, I feel sort of the same way. I also liked the contrast...Kat was such a tomboy, but was also boy-crazy and, to me, at least, came across as even more feminine than Annie as well as very comfortable with her sexuality. For me, that was far more interesting (and adorable) than revealing her as gay or bi. That's just a personal preference on my part though, and not a failing of the comic's or a slam against anyone who likes the direction things are going. Mine is obviously the minority opinion, after all  |
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Post by Marnath on May 28, 2013 4:47:07 GMT
gunnerkrigg.com/?p=111gunnerkrigg.com/?p=618 (bottom row) gunnerkrigg.com/?p=957gunnerkrigg.com/?p=1031gunnerkrigg.com/?p=10501)Rey suggests that the girls should kiss and Kat blushes. 2)Jack suggests that Annie and Kat are a couple, Kat gets defensive. 3)Rey suggests that Kat thinks Parley is nice to look at, Kat gets embarrassed. 4)Zimmy says she's heard "things" about Kat. Things which would make her dress different, act different. Things we can assume Zimmy probably knows about since her girlfriend is standing right there. 5)The hairband of +5 straightness is taken from Kat by a known same-sex couple with the advice that you can't always run away from what scares you. The implications seem clear. Well, the first one never struck me as a sign of anything except being embarrassed when someone suggests they want to watch you make out with your best friend. I never got any kind of romantic vibe from the second one either...just Kat getting defensive on Annie's behalf because she's a good friend. Those are certainly valid interpretations of what's going on there. However, considering that Kat just agreed to go on a date with a girl who was hitting on her, it sure looks like I'm the one who is right here. |
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Post by SerenaJo on May 28, 2013 4:49:19 GMT
I can't be the only one who doesn't think of Kat as a tomboy right? Yeah, videogames and science, but tomboy to me translates into an interest in sports or something. The whole idea of "boy activities" and "girl activities" is kind of silly anyway.
Also, I think the reason Kat did say yes so quickly is because she's fairly mature for her age? Like, she recognized that it was silly to worry about it so much, that there's nothing wrong with her dating girls. So she decides to give it a shot. Kat's had her issues but she doesn't REALLY wallow or anything, she seems to bounce back fairly quickly. That's how this makes sense to me.
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Post by Marnath on May 28, 2013 5:23:39 GMT
I can't be the only one who doesn't think of Kat as a tomboy right? Yeah, videogames and science, but tomboy to me translates into an interest in sports or something. The whole idea of "boy activities" and "girl activities" is kind of silly anyway. She sure fits all of the tomboy metrics that I'm familiar with. There's nothing wrong with that either as far as I'm concerned. It's not really a pejorative term either, like it's counterpart is(nancy-boy.) I'll agree heartily that the idea of cultural gender roles is hilariously antiquated and really needs to stop. |
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Post by darthcheesecake on May 28, 2013 5:41:23 GMT
I discovered something shocking about myself recently.
I never thought it was possible and I tried to deny it for so long.
I'm ... a shipper.
(Seriously though PazXKat hits all the feels)
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Post by snipertom on May 28, 2013 5:41:27 GMT
I must admit that I'm surprised by how divisive the Kat/Paz thing is.
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Post by wynne on May 28, 2013 6:00:33 GMT
[ETA: I know this is like 4 pages too late but THOUGHTS, man. Sometimes you've gotta get them out.] I find her instant acceptance of Paz's proposal as a bit jarring because this is Kat we're talking about... ya know, the girl who was very very enthusiastic about boys (the word enthusiastic doesn't even cut it). Even at the very beginning and later chapters of the comic we see her obsessed wi Eggers, blush at Muut's Jesus bronze abs and even wear makeup for Allistar, the boy she likes... I mean I'm a guy, I don't really know if wearing makeup for a guy at such a young age is a BIG thing or not... But I think so... Probably... I don't know. I don't even know if something like that is even common. Ladies, would you care to enlighten me? I have a friend who is most certainly gay, totally in love with her girlfriend, etc., but still has a thing for Patrick Dempsey (specifically his hair). Same with a few other male actors, like Nathan Fillion and Robert Downey Jr. And if you don't know she's gay, it certainly makes her look straight even though that definitely isn't the case. Before she came out, someone even drunkenly confessed that he thought she was gay until he saw how obsessed she is with Mr. Dempsey. I asked her about it once, and she described it as something akin to "I really like him and find him very nice looking, I just don't want to have sex with him." And if you fall on the straight side of the spectrum, I think it's possible to do the same thing within your own gender. There are female movie stars that I find super attractive and female friends that I am very close to in a way that might look "romantic" without context, but that doesn't mean I want to sleep with them. Also, this may or may not be relevant, but even as a presumably straight girl, my first instinct when I have a crush on someone is to avoid and deny that crush AT ALL COSTS, much like a seven year old avoiding cooties. Regardless of whether or not Kat is bi, and taking into account other posters' stories, it seems reasonable that she might play up other, more straight "crushes" as a way to throw off other people's suspicions, like she did with the flower headband. A beard of your own making, if you will. Denial is real, fear of exclusion is real, and adolescents often feel their effects more keenly than most. I discovered something shocking about myself recently. I never thought it was possible and I tried to deny it for so long. I'm ... a shipper. You win ALL the internets, good sir. |
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Post by download on May 28, 2013 6:35:33 GMT
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 28, 2013 6:49:58 GMT
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Post by GK Sierra on May 28, 2013 7:03:26 GMT
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Post by wombat on May 28, 2013 7:18:58 GMT
I find it interesting that so many people are thrown by there not being a ton of hints about it before "Faraway Morning"... I mean, it's hard to judge when exactly a character (well, people in general) hit puberty, but I always felt like Kat did during the summer while Annie was in the forest. She just seemed more physically mature for me from that point on. And since that summer, there was only "From the Forest She Came" and "Give and Take" before "Faraway Morning"... so there was both not a ton of time nor fitting situations to display a puberty-stricken Kat questioning her sexuality.
Maybe she didn't think about it much before then; that happens too. I thought I was straight until I was thirteen (okay, I also thought I was gay for Toph (from Avatar), but that was more jokingly and I didn't recognize the foreshadowing in my life). Then one night in the summer I had a dream where I kissed a girl who was a friend of mine, and that was pretty much the whole reason I started questioning my sexuality. I had identified as straight since I knew what straight was, having had a crush on a boy in kindergarten (and then a boy in fifth grade and then a teacher in middle school (which is something that really got me relating to Kat early on) and then another boy). Anyway, I spent a couple weeks trying to figure out if I had a crush on her and what that meant; then I went on a bike ride and without really thinking about it ended up in front of her house, and then I was just like, "...Oh my god."
And then in the aftermath of this realization I was hit with all the realizations of memories about a babysitter who gave me butterflies in my stomach and the time I called a girl (girl I've been talking about, actually) after school just to tell her how pretty she was that day... yeah. But during the time I was questioning, I didn't text my friends "Hey, what's up? I'm bored and think I might be bi." (Okay, I had like two friends at the time, but I didn't text either of them.) And even after I accepted my non-straightness, it was a couple weeks before I even decided I wanted to tell my friends, and months before I actually did. So in a comic that focuses primarily on Annie, it's entirely possible that it wasn't 100% because Kat hadn't gotten around to telling her even if she came out to herself before this page.
Additionally, it's possible that Kat doesn't know any people who (to her knowledge) aren't straight besides Zimmy and Gamma, who I enjoy from a reader standpoint but aren't really the best company. Kat may have felt like she would be alone in this, that's it's not a trait of normal people, that she'd never find someone to be with... and Paz confessing to her countered those thoughts (well, at least two of those-- she's not Zimmy-level peculiar, but girl can talk to animals).
TL;DR: Yeah, I mainly just talked about myself. Just skip the middle two paragraphs and it's about when Kat hit puberty and LGB presence in her life.
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Post by snipertom on May 28, 2013 7:33:14 GMT
yeah given that gamma doesn't speak english, zimmy is scared of kat and is totally nuts... and honestly i don't know how much help robot and shadow would be....
And that youtube is fucking gold!
I do wonder a bit about whether Tom not liking the Annie/Kat slash stuff that was floating around /co/ contributed to throwing people off the idea that PEOPLE MIGHT BE GAY WITH EACH OTHER in the comic?
also, wtf is "being gay with someone". i remember coming out and people asking me how I could know i was gay if i wasn't gay with someone. Can I not be merry on my own?
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Post by wombat on May 28, 2013 7:43:38 GMT
I do wonder a bit about whether Tom not liking the Annie/Kat slash stuff that was floating around The Butt Zone contributed to throwing people off the idea that PEOPLE MIGHT BE GAY WITH EACH OTHER in the comic? also, wtf is "being gay with someone". i remember coming out and people asking me how I could know i was gay if i wasn't gay with someone. Can I not be merry on my own? I remember him saying like "on the internet [the AnniexKat ship] is never deeper than Kat f***ing Annie" or something to that effect... I could see how that would be unappealing. Also: Me: I'm bisexual. My mom: I didn't know you were having sex with anybody! (I was fourteen and I wasn't.) |
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Post by Rymdljus on May 28, 2013 8:23:08 GMT
I have a friend who is most certainly gay, totally in love with her girlfriend, etc., but still has a thing for Patrick Dempsey (specifically his hair). Same with a few other male actors, like Nathan Fillion and Robert Downey Jr. And if you don't know she's gay, it certainly makes her look straight even though that definitely isn't the case. Before she came out, someone even drunkenly confessed that he thought she was gay until he saw how obsessed she is with Mr. Dempsey. I asked her about it once, and she described it as something akin to "I really like him and find him very nice looking, I just don't want to have sex with him." And if you fall on the straight side of the spectrum, I think it's possible to do the same thing within your own gender. There are female movie stars that I find super attractive and female friends that I am very close to in a way that might look "romantic" without context, but that doesn't mean I want to sleep with them. Yes! I'm a straight guy who has a thing for Jake Gyllenhaal. I'm not sure I would want to sleep with him, but damn is he nice to look at! ;D |
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Post by darthcheesecake on May 28, 2013 8:27:25 GMT
This is more of an aside glance than anything else but it's really interesting to read about how you folks react to this particular update based on the life tidbits you've shared.
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Post by ryrmyrbyr on May 28, 2013 8:40:44 GMT
What I've learned from the Gunnerkrigg Court comments section today: being a girl and going out with a girl makes you a "lesbian", whatever that is.
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Post by geminisun on May 28, 2013 9:27:11 GMT
When I first realized I liked girls - and was, in fact, more interested in relationships with girls than boys - it came on *very* suddenly in my first year of high school, catalyzed by an accidental handtouch with a girl I admired. I was in a relationship with a boy at the time, which got awkward real fast. And I was at the time, and have always been, very attracted to fictional dudes. Not unlike Kat and her action figures. And my first crushes were on guys, much like Kat with Alistair and in general thinking boys are cute. I still find a lot of guys cute myself. And yet, I'm in a relationship with a girl.
Kat's experience here is very, very true to my own life experience, is what I'm saying. I've been reading Kat for some time as having girlfeelings she has Not Been Confronting, because of all the little tells and similarities to my own experience, and this whole development feels very true to me.
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Post by dracazula on May 28, 2013 10:03:43 GMT
What I've learned from the Gunnerkrigg Court comments section today: being a girl and going out with a girl makes you a "lesbian", whatever that is. You know, I'm normally one not to get frustrated over terminology, but in this case it does make me want to shake my computer screen that everyone in the comments section is slapping that label on her and Tom went out of his way to avoid using any labels at all. |
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Post by TBeholder on May 28, 2013 10:25:48 GMT
I must admit that I'm surprised by how divisive the Kat/Paz thing is. It is? How? I do wonder a bit about whether Tom not liking the Annie/Kat slash stuff that was floating around The Butt Zone contributed to throwing people off the idea Yes. You guys are that important to those who doesn't even bother to go there. Did you have any doubts? |
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Post by crater on May 28, 2013 11:14:53 GMT
this page is SOOOOO.... TENDER
also, sorry but when two chicks go out with eachother they are lesbian. When two guys go out they are gay. Anything other than that is newage nonsense
maybe you don't use "labels" like that but that's the reality of the situation
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Post by crater on May 28, 2013 11:19:30 GMT
that was great, what a great chapter, everything is wonderful surprising plot twist Ann is extremely homophobic That would be interesting, although, most people would start hating on Annie and all the pro lgbt people would go into a rage and yadda yadda. although Annie has no problem with Zimmy and Gamma so highly unlikely unless its just to do with certain people being gay or some variant. I dunno... Anny tosses Zimmy around like a bag of potatoes *insert psycobabble here* |
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Post by lordofpotatoes on May 28, 2013 11:32:55 GMT
this page is SOOOOO.... TENDER also, sorry but when two chicks go out with eachother they are lesbian. When two guys go out they are gay. Anything other than that is newage nonsense maybe you don't use "labels" like that but that's the reality of the situation Bisexuality...? |
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Post by crater on May 28, 2013 11:42:54 GMT
this page is SOOOOO.... TENDER also, sorry but when two chicks go out with eachother they are lesbian. When two guys go out they are gay. Anything other than that is newage nonsense maybe you don't use "labels" like that but that's the reality of the situation Bisexuality...? I mean, I understand that some people feel attracted to both sexes but. IMO, you had to have been in a relationship with both male and female to be qualified as bisexual. in Kat's case I can't really call her week with a bird a relationship, ala she’s lesbian until proven otherwise |
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Post by TBeholder on May 28, 2013 11:48:14 GMT
I mean, Kat in the past has been shown to rather enthusiastically like boys. I know what you mean, because there is a lot of evidence that Kat is interested in men in the past, and little evidence that she is interested in women. But there could be a lot of reasons for this. Well, two; both involve her being bisexual. maybe you don't use "labels" like that but that's the reality of the situation Amaterasu, please stop poking the otherkin with a stick. Not because it's fungal cruelty, simply because this causes no change whatsoever. Do it to a bacteria or something - they at least can process input on the level of positive/negative tropisms. In that E.Coli is capable of understanding that moving toward the greater concentration of X leads it to greater concentrations of X in the environment, and vice versa. It doesn't operate on "All evidence points to the contrary -> I'm doing it right".  |
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Post by Rymdljus on May 28, 2013 11:49:22 GMT
also, sorry but when two chicks go out with eachother they are lesbian. When two guys go out they are gay. Anything other than that is newage nonsense Unless we separate the act (going out) from the people doing it. It's a pretty lesbian thing to do, admittedly, but people can do things for lots of reasons. I think straight or bi or just confused or curious people can do gay things. |
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Post by arabesque on May 28, 2013 12:11:43 GMT
IMO, you had to have been in a relationship with both male and female to be qualified as bisexual. in Kat's case I can't really call her week with a bird a relationship, ala she’s lesbian until proven otherwise I have to disagree with this logic. You're bisexual if you're attracted to both sexes and choose to identify as so. Following this logic, someone doesn't qualify as being any orientation if they don't form relationships. I think people are getting a bit ahead of themselves by saying Kat's a lesbian. Too many people forget bisexuality is a thing... |
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