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Post by cu on Sept 15, 2010 9:04:51 GMT
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out already, but the green guy has a scar over his left eyebrow. Before defecting to the woodie side, the green traitor, Greenguy was the original Protector of the Court. He got that scar while flying on his Rogat Orjak in his full armour: they caught a turbulence and Greenguy bumped his head into one of his Rogat's horns  . Those things are sharp, he is lucky he didn't lose his eye. See in what state he left the armour: gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=548gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=559 |
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Post by Tenjen on Sept 15, 2010 9:21:21 GMT
just putting this hear, the reason we arent seeing any upper body curves is cause the lovers are pressed together.
this reminds me a lot of quite a few "The Lovers" Tarot cards,
oh and i really like the imp fellow, he's very handsome. Tom did great work designing him.
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Post by Goatmon on Sept 15, 2010 9:43:01 GMT
D...Dave Strider? D:
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Post by elycium on Sept 15, 2010 10:35:41 GMT
Poor Parley looks like she's going to have such the migrane when all of this is over. On the other hand, she's being brought up to speed nice and quick. I wonder if Annie is seeing all of this as well.
This page is beautiful!
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Post by Rgemini on Sept 15, 2010 10:39:00 GMT
I'm very impressed with the design of this page. Very impressed indeed.
A thought about Parley and her reactions here - she is getting a full mind dump of Jeanne's physical and emotional memories here, but she has no experience of these things. She's still a kid, not understanding her own feelings and reactions to Smitty. How is she going to cope?
Annie's getting them too, but she seems better able to surf strange happenings without getting personally involved.
I hope that Kat or Smitty go to get Jones, although I'm not sure what she could do.
It's a loooong time until Friday!
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Post by Mishmash on Sept 15, 2010 10:51:14 GMT
I interpreted this page a bit differently from other posters here - I think the angry Young and Steadman and Ysengrin(?) are not angry at the love between Jeanne and the elf guy.
I think the embrace in the middle surround by angry-looking humans and animals is a representation of the rising tensions going on around them, while they are somewhat oblivious due to the fact they are in love. The guys around Jeanne and Mr Elf aren't angry with them, but are fighting amongst each other.
I also think the Coyote-like symbol just peeking in the corner there is representing the fact that Coyote's separation of the Court and the Forest is approaching.
Of course I could be way off the mark here...
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Post by jayne on Sept 15, 2010 11:31:08 GMT
I interpreted this page a bit differently from other posters here - I think the angry Young and Steadman and Ysengrin(?) are not angry at the love between Jeanne and the elf guy. I think the embrace in the middle surround by angry-looking humans and animals is a representation of the rising tensions going on around them, while they are somewhat oblivious due to the fact they are in love. The guys around Jeanne and Mr Elf aren't angry with them, but are fighting amongst each other. I also think the Coyote-like symbol just peeking in the corner there is representing the fact that Coyote's separation of the Court and the Forest is approaching. Of course I could be way off the mark here... No, I think you've very much on the mark. The lovers don't notice or care about the chaos.... but I'm not sure if Coyote is minding the bickering or the lovers. As for the "wolf'.... he looks hairless to me, like a human becoming a wolf... the neck folds look like skin. |
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Post by Alexandragon on Sept 15, 2010 12:06:28 GMT
HS! AWESOME! Also Guy on left side is Young, the Blondie guy is Archer and  probably is Ysengrin, because Coyote is striped. Also: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=260 It's the same person, and where is the only ONE is REAL angry... I interpreted this page a bit differently from other posters here - I think the angry Young and Steadman and Ysengrin(?) are not angry at the love between Jeanne and the elf guy. I think the embrace in the middle surround by angry-looking humans and animals is a representation of the rising tensions going on around them, while they are somewhat oblivious due to the fact they are in love. The guys around Jeanne and Mr Elf aren't angry with them, but are fighting amongst each other. I also think the Coyote-like symbol just peeking in the corner there is representing the fact that Coyote's separation of the Court and the Forest is approaching. Of course I could be way off the mark here... I think so too, but also, as I think here all is turned around a love triangle, or about convenience marriages between dynasties... |
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Post by rebecca on Sept 15, 2010 12:23:07 GMT
The coyote-like sun has Diego's stare, like we saw in the previous page.
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Post by Alexandragon on Sept 15, 2010 12:25:21 GMT
The coyote-like sun has Diego's stare, like we saw in the previous page. Khm... Where is no sun on previous page... Please, give the link to page... And who is the Raven?! |
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Post by Tenjen on Sept 15, 2010 12:35:11 GMT
....oh my..what if the arrow fired was meant for our imp friend? When he came around to help her?
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Post by khelek on Sept 15, 2010 13:04:41 GMT
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out already, but the green guy has a scar over his left eyebrow. Before defecting to the woodie side, the green traitor, Greenguy was the original Protector of the Court. He got that scar while flying on his Rogat Orjak in his full armour: they caught a turbulence and Greenguy bumped his head into one of his Rogat's horns . Those things are sharp, he is lucky he didn't lose his eye. See in what state he left the armour: gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=548gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=559I think you may have hit on something here... If Green Dude had been protector and gotten that scar (in a fight!  ) that would certainly be why they think he is a Traitor. Also some of the other links had me rereading some of Coyote's claims: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=491thought it was interesting that the 2nd panel shows some of the Court people we know, as well as a Bird of some variety. Too bad allot of the others we have seen are missing. |
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Post by Mylian on Sept 15, 2010 13:08:57 GMT
Oh man, if that's Ysensgrin in his prime, he's definitely one of the scariest things around.
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Post by Per on Sept 15, 2010 13:37:58 GMT
The blond guy is Apollo and the raven is bringing him news of infidelity, resulting in the death of the object of his Diego's affection.
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Post by evantha on Sept 15, 2010 13:46:32 GMT
I do thing the wolf is Ysengrin, and it seems pretty logical that he would be really mad just to think that a creature of the forest could love be in love with a human.
And coyote.. well he just seems to be watching and having fun seeing all the "political implications" a love like that would have in the situation it was born. (when the humans wanted to get separated from the forest into "the court").
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Post by arucard on Sept 15, 2010 13:53:33 GMT
I interpreted this page a bit differently from other posters here - I think the angry Young and Steadman and Ysengrin(?) are not angry at the love between Jeanne and the elf guy. I think the embrace in the middle surround by angry-looking humans and animals is a representation of the rising tensions going on around them, while they are somewhat oblivious due to the fact they are in love. The guys around Jeanne and Mr Elf aren't angry with them, but are fighting amongst each other. I also think the Coyote-like symbol just peeking in the corner there is representing the fact that Coyote's separation of the Court and the Forest is approaching. Of course I could be way off the mark here... No, I think you've very much on the mark. The lovers don't notice or care about the chaos.... but I'm not sure if Coyote is minding the bickering or the lovers. As for the "wolf'.... he looks hairless to me, like a human becoming a wolf... the neck folds look like skin. I kinda agree with this theory too... I think this page is kinda summarizing all the information that Parley is getting from Jeanne... The feld between Forest and Court (represented by a mad Ysengrin), the dividing of them both by Coyote (represented by that Coyote-ish Sun), the plot to kill Jeanne (represented by Young and Steadman)... But there's still that crow/raven that I can't explain... =/ And yeah... Thah wolf/possible Ysengrin drawing looks kinda weird... |
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Post by jayne on Sept 15, 2010 14:22:04 GMT
Parley is distraught... just seeing the lovers shouldn't bother her more than the romantic movie she was watching. They're happy. If it were just the lovers, Parley would probably be having an "Aw, its soooo romantic" moment.
Jeanne is remembering the fighting, bickering, petty conspiracies that were building, and threatening their relationship. Parley recognizes it as that moment in a movie when everything turns tragic for the lovers. She looks like she's about to cry.
As for the yellow eye.... I'd think it would have to represent Coyote since Jeanne probably hasn't any knowledge of the Great Spirit. He's in North America still.
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Post by legion on Sept 15, 2010 14:29:15 GMT
Parley isn't liking it. I get it now.I wont spoil it with wild speculation Which just makes your post…  …entirely pointless! |
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Post by jayne on Sept 15, 2010 14:31:18 GMT
Oh man, if that's Ysensgrin in his prime, he's definitely one of the scariest things around. I don't think it can be Ysengrin because he's always has a white jaw. I do think that wolf is the same as on the cover of chapter 14 so he has to have something to do with the separation. Maybe not... the cover wolf does seem to have a white jaw.... I'm so confused.  |
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Post by atteSmythe on Sept 15, 2010 14:54:07 GMT
Definitely not for kids anymore. That aside, AWESOME page. Eh, no more of an infraction than the occasional swear in previous books, I'd think. Then again, I saw someone else describe the current chapter as 'R-rated' even prior to this page, so what do I know? |
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Post by zylonbane on Sept 15, 2010 15:08:21 GMT
It's Riff!!! Let me check my notes...  Darn it, I came in here to point that out. It's totally Riff. I guess one of his many Dimensional Flux Agitator adventures landed him in the Dimension of Gunnerkrigg. |
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Post by jayne on Sept 15, 2010 15:31:37 GMT
Definitely not for kids anymore. That aside, AWESOME page. Eh, no more of an infraction than the occasional swear in previous books, I'd think. Then again, I saw someone else describe the current chapter as 'R-rated' even prior to this page, so what do I know? I dunno... a lot is left to the imagination and if someone is giving this an R rating, their imagination is filling in some pretty specific details. As far as I'm concerned, it's just established that Jeanne and Greenguy are, in fact, lovers. |
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Post by khelek on Sept 15, 2010 15:57:37 GMT
I believe that Coyote came to the Wood after the founding and before the Split. It would seem that this event (that we are watching Parley watch) happened After the Split.
Infact coyote claims to have Made the annan water and the gorge. which may or may not exist that this point... we did not see her cross the bridge, but maybe they are in a section of the Court that is still forested. as J says latter, they are in the process of cutting down the trees on the court side.
Seems there is a long history of cross-Faction romance.
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Post by jayne on Sept 15, 2010 16:37:26 GMT
I believe that Coyote came to the Wood after the founding and before the Split. It would seem that this event (that we are watching Parley watch) happened After the Split. Infact coyote claims to have Made the annan water and the gorge. which may or may not exist that this point... we did not see her cross the bridge, but maybe they are in a section of the Court that is still forested. as J says latter, they are in the process of cutting down the trees on the court side. Seems there is a long history of cross-Faction romance. The bridge was created after Jeanne died because the Annan waters became unpassable. If Jeanne can pass into the forest, and Greenguy can come to the court, there is no divide yet. Coyote may try to trick people, but he doesn't lie. If he says he created the divide, then he did it. |
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 15, 2010 16:39:21 GMT
Oh man, if that's Ysensgrin in his prime, he's definitely one of the scariest things around. I don't think it can be Ysengrin because he's always has a white jaw. I do think that wolf is the same as on the cover of chapter 14 so he has to have something to do with the separation. Maybe not... the cover wolf does seem to have a white jaw.... I'm so confused. Thank you for saying this! The animal in this page does not look like Ysengrin (though the one on the cover of Chapter 14 is definitely Ysengrin, as he is the only character who even slightly resembles that animal and is a danger to Annie in that chapter). Let's look at the snarling creature in the top-left of this page: Red eyes. Brown fur with two grey patches at the tips of the nose and chin. Noticeable whiskers. Now Ysengrin, who is snarling in a closeup at top-left of this page: Green eyes. Brown and grey fur, but with much more grey, including patches around his eyes and grey fur surrounding his jaws and trailing down his neck. No visible whiskers. Note that these characteristics of Ysengrin are also present in depictions of Ysengrin in the past and in his etheric form. Though, to be fair, his eyes are not drawn in any depictions of him from the time when he initially came to the forest. Personally, I think the animal in the top-left of this page looks a bit like a weasel, but it could easily be a dog of some sort. |
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Post by beatfox on Sept 15, 2010 16:45:02 GMT
That's Dave Strider and his Kernelsprite. Bwaha, I'm so glad I'm not the only one who thought this. Parley is distraught... just seeing the lovers shouldn't bother her more than the romantic movie she was watching. They're happy. If it were just the lovers, Parley would probably be having an "Aw, its soooo romantic" moment. Jeanne is remembering the fighting, bickering, petty conspiracies that were building, and threatening their relationship. Parley recognizes it as that moment in a movie when everything turns tragic for the lovers. She looks like she's about to cry. I got the impression it's more a case of mental overload. The jumble of images seems to indicate that she's being bombarded with too many memories and emotions for her to take in at once. |
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 15, 2010 16:47:27 GMT
Before defecting to the woodie side, the green traitor, Greenguy was the original Protector of the Court. He got that scar while flying on his Rogat Orjak in his full armour: they caught a turbulence and Greenguy bumped his head into one of his Rogat's horns . Those things are sharp, he is lucky he didn't lose his eye. See in what state he left the armour: gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=548gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=559I think the fact that the armor has a scratch on it is a pretty tenuous basis for your claim. I believe that Coyote came to the Wood after the founding and before the Split. It would seem that this event (that we are watching Parley watch) happened After the Split. Infact coyote claims to have Made the annan water and the gorge. which may or may not exist that this point... we did not see her cross the bridge, but maybe they are in a section of the Court that is still forested. as J says latter, they are in the process of cutting down the trees on the court side. Considering that there are no signs of people clearing the forest around those buildings, and Jeanne seems to be fairly open about the fact that she's in a romance with a forest denizen, I'd say the scene with her and the green guy takes place before the split. |
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 15, 2010 17:06:36 GMT
I like the idea of the crow/raven and the dog symbolizing Steadman and Young, respectively. Ravens and crows have both been associated with death for centuries, which makes sense since Steadman seems to have struck the killing blow against Jeanne. The dog-like animal could also represent conflict and not have much to do with Young at all. The crow, however, definitely seems tied to Steadman, considering their positioning. Tom did a great job on this page. I love how he visually depicts the shadow cast over the lovers by the conflict that raged around them.
And now it's time for Unfortunate Implications:
If Annie and Parley are experiencing a mind dump and are experiencing these memories as Jeanne did, they are both experiencing sex.
And not awkward teenage sex, but sweet, adult love-making. Consider that when you look at Parley's expression.
Also, since the mind dump seems to be happening rather quickly and includes memories of conflict and violence, the girls might go on forever associate good sex with violence.
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Post by jayne on Sept 15, 2010 17:09:17 GMT
I don't know if anyone has pointed this out already, but the green guy has a scar over his left eyebrow. Before defecting to the woodie side, the green traitor, Greenguy was the original Protector of the Court. He got that scar while flying on his Rogat Orjak in his full armour: they caught a turbulence and Greenguy bumped his head into one of his Rogat's horns . Those things are sharp, he is lucky he didn't lose his eye. See in what state he left the armour: gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=548gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=559I agree with evilanagram that is probably just a coincidence BUT its awfully cool that you put these two things together! |
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Post by jayne on Sept 15, 2010 17:23:39 GMT
I like the idea of the crow/raven and the dog symbolizing Steadman and Young, respectively. Ravens and crows have both been associated with death for centuries, which makes sense since Steadman seems to have struck the killing blow against Jeanne. The dog-like animal could also represent conflict and not have much to do with Young at all. The crow, however, definitely seems tied to Steadman, considering their positioning. Tom did a great job on this page. I love how he visually depicts the shadow cast over the lovers by the conflict that raged around them. And now it's time for Unfortunate Implications: If Annie and Parley are experiencing a mind dump and are experiencing these memories as Jeanne did, they are both experiencing sex. Yeah but they're not experiencing sex as if they're participating. Jeanne is the one sharing the story and how much of the story she wants to share is up to her. Hmmm... this assumes Jeanne has no control of what she's sharing, and that is just a complete copy of her memory being placed inside Annie and Parley's mind. I don't think I agree with that. And... thus far, this doesn't seem to be very violent anyway. |
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. Those things are sharp, he is lucky he didn't lose his eye. See in what state he left the armour:
) that would certainly be why they think he is a Traitor. 
