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Post by judgedeadd on Jun 8, 2010 19:22:47 GMT
...and it is done! Much easier than I thought. "...okay because i know that no matter what ha..." "a while i know you don't like _..." Very nice job! I also tried fiddling a bit with it in GIMP, but conversely I found it harder than I thought -- was incapable of making it legible. May I ask how you did it? A layer with a "divide" setting? I did it in Photoshop. I used the Type Mask tool to select the words (they are printed in font size 11,5), then the Curves option where I fiddled a bit to remove the light-gray part which implied text not overlaid on any letters beneath.
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Post by judgedeadd on Jun 8, 2010 19:33:49 GMT
I think [the sho]ps here...
Also, I deciphered the first line in panels 5-7:
nk of you all the time zimmy and i know that you care about me [and ne]ver should you forget that
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Post by hal9000 on Jun 8, 2010 19:45:04 GMT
Yup. Every available space riddled with darts. Perhaps you should build a better dartboard if you hate it so much .
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Post by the bandit on Jun 8, 2010 19:57:02 GMT
Hmm... Zimmy is annoyed alot. The Bandit must actually be Zimmy and his avatar is Gamma's sister. That makes you all nobodies! ;D
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Post by todd on Jun 8, 2010 23:04:38 GMT
But as to whether it makes Gamma a Christian or not, that's another matter. Well, she *is* undergoing pain and hardship (granted, self-imposed sleep deprivation isn't the same as being nailed to a cross) out of love for the seemingly unlovable. Though I don't think that Tom was thinking of a Christ-parallel when he wrote her.
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Post by alexscott on Jun 8, 2010 23:48:34 GMT
I kind of took the appearance of the scar in "Dobranoc, Gamma" to indicate that Zimmy could see it, even if no one else could. And the thing about Zimmingham is that it seemed to occur in everybody's minds, since Kat and the others never noticed it. The only other times the scar was visible were when Annie was using her etheric form. So I'm thinking they have to be in a particular etheric state of consciousness for the scar to be visible. If that makes sense.
I'm also getting pretty certain that this isn't Zimmy's creation. Last time this happened, she was blipped right into the middle of it. She didn't have to walk in from outside.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Jun 8, 2010 23:48:24 GMT
I know it's poor form to quote myself, but I just re-read my transcription here and I just saw the following, now highlighted: PANEL 5-7, SPANNED metimes but th_____________________no matter what ha___ns deep inside you you w member and I k____you love me too and we should get ___ sure you're not hungry need to rest g________________________________________he iron leaning isn't too _____re almost___re and maybe your friend_________who this annie is if it is ju _____ed out or________is a perso_______________________n our lives but we can d _____y look n__________________________________________sometimes it catches you _____have to ________________________________________it's quite funny it's like It sounds like she is saying she doesn't know "who this annie is if it is just stressed out or if it is a person who is important in our lives but we can definitely look" for her (with blanks guessed at based on the letter spacing.) The tone of concern definitely sounds like Gamma, but I'm surprised that she doesn't know who Annie is. Is this a hint that this is not really Gamma? Obviously they've met before, and Gamma has been in the room when Kat has called Antimony "Annie". Even with a language barrier, picking out when someone is being addressed is fairly easy to do, especially when you've already been told their real name (as Gamma has, or near enough.) When you then hear them being called something similar, it is easy to guess that it may be a nickname or pet name. It sure sounds like "Gamma" does not know who Annie is. Maybe I'm reading too much into the (literal) subtext and she just hasn't made the nickname connection, but it's always the little clues... EDIT: I just realized that Gamma couldn't be transmiting "we can definitely look for her" because the next letter after "look" is n. Since a great deal of the next sentence is covered by their heads in panel 6, it's hard to guess. But what if it said something like this? "we can definitely look near the iron leaning" That sounds much more sinister to me, like she's just there to lead whomever comes by to that location. We've already seen that she's saying "the iron leaning isn't too far you're almost there", where the boy with grey hair and a green coat was running to.
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jun 9, 2010 1:15:33 GMT
aaron, the text you quoted is missing some lines from the last panels. Building on your work and judgedeadd's I think I've completed most of it - and changed a few words according to my own understanding thereof: PANEL 1 look that shop has changed again do you like the flowers zimmy do they make you happy can you smell that it smells good sn't it are you tired we can rest do you have a headache look out for the busses remember to cross when the green man ning but not when he is dancing I'll help you across that is a funny sign don't you think can you tell me what it says I think ps here are better than the ones on the other side of the bridge right I think they look nicer do you like the colours zimm ope you do do you rember when they put all the lights up at Christmas time and everyone is busy rushing here and there a the one time of the year you don't mind all the people and that makes me so happy to see you happy like that zimmy I rea n't wait for Christmas again and everything looks so different and all the strange food they have and the different sound zzing in the air but not in a bad way in a way that makes you close your eyes and just listen to the sounds like the sound o e air vents behind the buildings when they are just humming and humming and it's almost like you're drunk but again not in PANEL 2 _bout today I think they should get _omebody to clean __hem up and put _m into the __n but it's not so bad ks kind of nice don't you think do y emember how much I like when yo __________________y we should to th _____________________find a magazin ______________________n look at th ________________________can read th PANEL 3 ack they would_________________ on't you think s_______________ _______________________________ _______________________________ _______________________________ ___________________________ey l __________________________ and _________________________'ve on _________________________ colou ________________________ust lik PANEL 5-7, SPANNED __of you all th___e Zimmy and I know that you care about me ____though you forget metimes but th____okay because I know that no matter what ha___ns deep inside you you w member and I k____you love me too and we should get ___ sure you're not hungry need to rest ?___a while I know you don't like___________he iron leaning isn't too ____'re almost___re and maybe your friend_________who this annie is if it is ju _____ed out of____________t is a perso________________n our lives but we can d _____the railin________________dine_____________________pencil drawings that po ______almost ___________________________________________gone forgot to rub them _____y look n__________________________________________off the windows looks l _____ the sky _________________________________________sometimes it catches you _____have to ________________________________________it's quite funny it's like _____sun is re________________________________________because it's hard to see
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jun 9, 2010 3:30:28 GMT
This should go up on the wiki once we think we've deciphered as much as we can.
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Post by aaroncampbell on Jun 9, 2010 5:38:17 GMT
Good idea, mezzaphor. Thanks for the awesome help, ariskatsaris and judgedeadd! I couldn't make out the words behind "I do it because I love you, Zimmy". Very nice work getting the first lines in the speech bubbles, with only the bottom half of the letters. Most impressive! Given the visual spacing, it shouldn't be too hard to fill in the gaps where the lines wrap at the edges of the panels, and where the bubble spans panels. Perhaps we can use a different color for inferred text, to make it easier to read while still maintaining separation of fact from conjecture? Something like this, obvious fill-ins are in blue, guesses/questions are in orange: PANEL 1 hey look that shop has changed again do you like the flowers zimmy do they make you happy can you smell that it smells good doesn't it are you tired we can rest do you have a headache look out for the busses remember to cross when the green man is running but not when he is dancing I'll help you across that is a funny sign don't you think can you tell me what it says I think the shps here are better than the ones on the other side of the bridge right I think they look nicer do you like the colours zimmy I hope you do do you rember when they put all the lights up at Christmas time and everyone is busy rushing here and there and it's the one time of the year you don't mind all the people and that makes me so happy to see you happy like that zimmy I really can't wait for Christmas again and everything looks so different and all the strange food they have and the different sounds buzzing in the air but not in a bad way in a way that makes you close your eyes and just listen to the sounds like the sound of the air vents behind the buildings when they are just humming and humming and it's almost like you're drunk but again not in a bad way and obviously Tom has written at least the rest of this line, and I'm quite curious to know what it says, hint hint! PANEL 2 about today I think they should get somebody to clean them up and put them into the __n but it's not so bad ks kind of nice don't you think do you remember how much I like when you __________________y we should to tha _____________________find a magazine ______________________n look at the ________________________can read the PANEL 3 ack they would_________________ don't you think s_______________ _______________________________ _______________________________ _______________________________ ___________________________ey l __________________________ and _________________________'ve only _________________________ colour ________________________ust like PANEL 5-7, SPANNED __of you all those Zimmy and I know that you care about me although you forget yourself? me? sometimes but that's okay because I know that no matter what happens deep inside you you will remember and I know you love me too and we should get ________________ sure you're not hungry or need to rest for a while I know you don't like____________________the iron leaning isn't too far you're almost there and maybe your friend______________________who this annie is if it is just _______ed out of___________ it is a person________________________in our lives but we can d _______the railing_______________dine_______________________________pencil drawings that po _______ almost _____________________________________________________gone forgot to rub them _______y look n____________________________________________________off the windows looks like _______ the sky ___________________________________________________sometimes it catches you _______have to __________________________________________________it's quite funny it's like _______sun is re__________________________________________________because it's hard to see
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Post by cheddarius on Jun 9, 2010 5:42:23 GMT
Hurray for teamwork! EDIT: Also, perhaps Tom didn't actually make up words for the blank spaces (behind Gamma's head, for example) and only made up snippets... that's a possibility, I think. We could ask him.
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Post by weshtery on Jun 9, 2010 6:55:32 GMT
PANEL 2 about today I think they should get somebody to clean them up and put them into the bin but it's not so bad ks kind of nice don't you think do you remember how much I like when you __________________y we should to tha _____________________find a magazine ______________________n look at the ________________________can read the Just a thought...seems obvious to me as a british fella, bin as in rubbish bin. It's what we call them over here. :¬D Nice going though, interesting to piece Gamma's stream of thought together like this. As to what's happening, my thoughts for what they're worth... Annie sees Zimmy when she first enters through the door, Zimmy runs around a corner. Annie follows and sees Gamma. Is this the same person? Is this Zimmy pretending to be Gamma, or Jack pretending to be both of them. To me it suggests that it may be Jack pretending to be both Zimmy and Gamma. Zimmy at first, possibly because he needs a 'Zimmy' for his plan in some way, and then when Annie surprises him he changes plans on the fly and 'hides' as Gamma, deciding to try and use Annie's zimmyness against her and for his own ends. If he can convince Annie that she's Zimmy, he wont have to pretend to be Zimmy himself and passes on whatever risk that involves to Annie...
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Post by King Mir on Jun 9, 2010 8:27:10 GMT
Adding to the speculative fill in: PANEL 1 hey look that shop has changed again do you like the flowers zimmy do they make you happy can you smell that it smells good doesn't it are you tired we can rest do you have a headache look out for the busses remember to cross when the green man is running but not when he is dancing I'll help you across that is a funny sign don't you think can you tell me what it says I think the shps here are better than the ones on the other side of the bridge right I think they look nicer do you like the colours zimmy I hope you do do you rember when they put all the lights up at Christmas time and everyone is busy rushing here and there and it's the one time of the year you don't mind all the people and that makes me so happy to see you happy like that zimmy I really can't wait for Christmas again and everything looks so different and all the strange food they have and the different sounds buzzing in the air but not in a bad way in a way that makes you close your eyes and just listen to the sounds like the sound of the air vents behind the buildings when they are just humming and humming and it's almost like you're drunk but again not in a bad way and obviously Tom has written at least the rest of this line, and I'm quite curious to know what it says, hint hint! PANEL 2 about today I think they should get somebody to clean them up and put them into the bin but it's not so bad ks kind of nice don't you think do you remember how much I like when you __________________y we should to that _____________________find a magazine ___________________I cann look at the comics__________________you can read the PANEL 3 ack they would_________________ don't you think so_______________ _______________________________ _______________________________ _______________________________ ___________________________ey l __________________________ and _________________________'ve only _________________________ colour ________________________just like PANEL 5-7, SPANNED __of you all those Zimmy and I know that you care about me although you forget yourself? me? sometimes but that's okay because I know that no matter what happens deep inside you you will remember and I know you love me too and we should get ________________ sure you're not hungry or need to rest for a while I know you don't like____________________the iron leaning isn't too far you're almost there and maybe your friend______________________who this annie is if it is just _______ed out of___________ it is a person________________________in our lives but we can d _______the railing_______________dine_______________________________pencil drawings that po _______ almost _____________________________________________________gone forgot to rub them _______y look n____________________________________________________off the windows looks like _______ the sky ___________________________________________________sometimes it catches you _______have to __________________________________________________it's quite funny it's like _______sun is re__________________________________________________because it's hard to see
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jun 9, 2010 9:42:20 GMT
Some insertions/changes/suggestions. ("though" is a word by itself, and doesn't need to be added "al" - no missing gap for it anyway, and the gap in "th__e" is a bit too long to just be the letters 'os' and make "those" - more like "e tim" to make 'the time"). Green for my own more certain changes, I'll keep using orange for more uncertain guess. PANEL 1 hey look that shop has changed again do you like the flowers zimmy do they make you happy can you smell that it smells good doesn't it are you tired we can rest do you have a headache look out for the busses remember to cross when the green man is running but not when he is dancing I'll help you across that is a funny sign don't you think can you tell me what it says I think the shops here are better than the ones on the other side of the bridge right I think they look nicer do you like the colours zimmy I hope you do do you rember when they put all the lights up at Christmas time and everyone is busy rushing here and there and it's the one time of the year you don't mind all the people and that makes me so happy to see you happy like that zimmy I really can't wait for Christmas again and everything looks so different and all the strange food they have and the different sounds buzzing in the air but not in a bad way in a way that makes you close your eyes and just listen to the sounds like the sound of the air vents behind the buildings when they are just humming and humming and it's almost like you're drunk but again not in a bad way and obviously Tom has written at least the rest of this line, and I'm quite curious to know what it says, hint hint! PANEL 2 about today I think they should get somebody to clean them up and put them into the bin but it's not so bad looks kind of nice don't you think do you remember how much I like when you __________________y we should to that _____________________find a magazine ___________________I can look at the comics______________you can read the PANEL 3 ack they would_________________ don't you think so_______________ _______________________________ _______________________________ _______________________________ ___________________________ey l __________________________ and _________________________'ve only _________________________ colour ________________________just like PANEL 5-7, SPANNED think of you all the time Zimmy and I know that you care about me though you forget yourself? me? sometimes but that's okay because I know that no matter what happens deep inside you you will remember and I know you love me too and we should get ________________ sure you're not hungry or need to rest for a while I know you don't like____________________the iron leaning isn't too far we're almost there and maybe your friend______________________who this annie is if it is just produc? creat?_ed out of_your mind or?_ it is a person______________in our lives but we can d _______the railing_________ building_______________________________pencil drawings that po _______ almost ________________________________________________ someone forgot to rub them _______y look n____________________________________________________off the windows looks like _______ the sky ___________________________________________________sometimes it catches you _______have to __________________________________________________it's quite funny it's like _______sun is re__________________________________________________because it's hard to see EDITED: Including judgedeadd's latest suggestions, "someone" and "building". Changed some colors to orange, since they're words completely covered and thus complete guesses
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Post by judgedeadd on Jun 9, 2010 18:00:31 GMT
I think the "dine" is actually ...{bu?}ilding...
"gone" = {som?}eone
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Post by pgilman on Jun 9, 2010 23:44:11 GMT
nobody thinks it's weird that a little girl knows what it's like to be drunk?
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Post by Yin on Jun 10, 2010 0:44:10 GMT
Sometimes during holidays adults give kids a little wine for a joke...
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Post by cheddarius on Jun 10, 2010 0:59:31 GMT
You don't need to have been drunk to know what it's like; it's described, generally. She's 13 or so, she's old enough to know that generally you get impaired and such.
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Post by alexscott on Jun 10, 2010 1:33:37 GMT
I can believe those two have a mischievous side. Remember that early chapter in His Dark Materials (for those who have read it)?
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Post by Aris Katsaris on Jun 10, 2010 2:58:31 GMT
I think the "dine" is actually ...{bu?}ilding..."gone" = {som?}eoneGood suggestions both, I've included them via an edit in my post above. I can imagine Zimmy and Gamma experimenting with things like alcohol to see if anything alleviates Zimmy's condition. Let's just be very *very* glad she didn't say "stoned" instead of "drunk".
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