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Post by King Mir on May 31, 2010 11:20:31 GMT
Maybe she's a golem made out of a dead person? Rather gruesome and makes one wonder how she's preserved so well... Although I may be very wrong... You mean a zombie? That doesn't explain her density. A golem made of a dead guy would be like if you cremated someone, then put their ashes together into a human form. Cool idea, in a morbid way, but it doesn't explain Jones.
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Post by Neats on May 31, 2010 21:38:00 GMT
Someone once pointed out that Jones's ruffling of Eglamore's hair is a possible indication of a time when Jones was taller than Eglamore. I don't know about that. I have a friend whose hair I ruffle, and he's been much taller than me as long as I've known him.
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Post by Ruushi on Jun 1, 2010 1:52:32 GMT
Jones-Jeanne Link I just started seeing the look-almost-alike a couple months ago *Jones and Jeanne both have blonde hair *Their names both start with J *We've never seen them smile *Their shape build is almost the same Possible Theories: 1.They're related 2.Jones is Jeanne's twin(?) That's about all I can think up If anyone else has other ideas
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Jun 1, 2010 5:16:26 GMT
Tom said there was no relation between Jones and Jeanne.
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Post by the bandit on Jun 1, 2010 17:15:58 GMT
And then the "coming from you" comment from the headmaster would mean that, well holy crap, Jones has been around for ages. Her not having seen this means it's pretty unique. I've always frowned at the "coming from you" statement being construed as Jones having undergone body modification herself; my reading lends toward a Jones-has-seen-quite-near-everything interpretation, so I find this speculation more in kind with that idea.
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Post by therocksayz on Jun 1, 2010 17:19:39 GMT
I've noticed; 1 Whenever the robots talk the speech bubble is green 2 Pretty much everything he said Swords bounce off her, .... and her hand goes right into cement/concrete. Whatever Jones is, she's DENSE. (And keep in mind that the robots of the Court are not so hard or heavy. Swords do not bounce off them, they can leap gracefully, and be crushed with relative ease. Jones' hardness does not suggest that she's a robot. Quite the opposite, actually.) Which means, A) She might be one of the forest creature's that passed the "test" to become human or is a descendant of such and something else (or/and enhanced with mechanical parts), which would complicate things. B) She might as well be a mutant educated at Xavier's school for the "gifted" with powers similar to Emma Frost (the whole diamond hard body) or miss Marvel
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Post by mojojojo on Jun 4, 2010 13:20:22 GMT
Jones knows Egyptian which got me thinking about Greek myths (Egypt was a strong influence on the Greeks from even before they were really Greeks). The one that best fits the bill is Pygmalion's statue, sometimes called Galatea. If Jones was a stone or ivory statue brought to life by Aphrodite it would explain the attention she gets from the opposite sex and also why she would want to encourage Parley and Smit. The only thing that doesn't quite fit is that Pygmalion and Galatea had one or more kids in some versions of the myth while Jones doesn't have any, but Tom recasts the mythic figures a bit for the comic. Hmmm, I quite like the idea. A statue brought to life would explain her weight and apparent invulnerability. A heart of stone, or being near immortal might explain her lack of emotions. But then, she doesn't really look like a greek statue. And I can't but help reading Tom's "Jones knows Egyptian, yeah" as a bit of a "Sure, why not?" answer (look it up on tvtropes if you don't know what I mean). It would also be a bit odd for such a magical creation to be so trusted at the court, considering their feelings about unexplainable things... But technological explanations all seem a bit of place... Basically, I have no idea.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 5, 2010 2:28:28 GMT
But then, she doesn't really look like a greek statue. And I can't but help reading Tom's "Jones knows Egyptian, yeah" as a bit of a "Sure, why not?" answer (look it up on tvtropes if you don't know what I mean). Tom doesn't seem to randomly attribute things to characters. It's possible that Jones speaks many languages and that Egyptian is merely one of them. Jones is ethnically ambiguous but her dark eyes, skin shade and sandy hair aren't inconsistent with being Mediterranean. In art Venus/Aphrodite is often depicted as having blond hair. As far as Jones looking like a Greek statue or not, you bring up an interesting point. The proto-Greeks of the mythic age didn't have much in the way of sculpture at all. What they did have was borrowed from Egypt and (to a much lesser extent) from elsewhere in the ancient world. Much later when the Hellenes were in ascendancy the trend reversed and they brought more realistic proportions back to the Egyptians. [Of course it's more complicated than that but I think this explanation should suffice for the purposes of discussing a comic.] True, Jones appears to lack the classic lines of an ancient Egyptian character, neither in the face nor in the hands. One of the most obvious tells would be that the Egyptians made the fingers the same length to make the hands more symmetrical and therefore beautiful. If Jones were an icon of beauty personified from the time period in question then she should have that trait but she does not. However: If she was brought to life by being endowed with some of the power of a goddess (Venus/Aphrodite) then that process should have changed her form to something more realistic, something more like a late classical statue, maybe. I cite Reynard as an example, as he can change his form to something more realistic by virtue of possessing it. Therefore, er, how can I put this in a work-safe way... As long as Jones remains clothed I wouldn't expect to see any artistic convention in her body that could disprove my "Jones-is-Galatea" theory. It would also be a bit odd for such a magical creation to be so trusted at the court, considering their feelings about unexplainable things... But technological explanations all seem a bit of place... Ah, but if my theory is correct then Jones would've been existing all through the development of classical human civilization in some of the most interesting historic places. The insights she would have would have been very highly prized in a Renaissance or enlightenment society, which would have made her very sought-after by the Court's founders. Doubtless she'd also have a lot of insight on the development of new sciences and technologies in addition to a great understanding of the Old People like Coyote and the other gods, and how ancient peoples interacted with them. I can't think of a better adviser to a human community like Gunnerkrigg Court. So in summary, while there is no conclusive evidence that the "Jones-is-Galatea" theory is fact, there is nothing at all that disproves it and it happens to fit all the facts we've seen. Also the "goddess-endowing-statue-with-power" aspect of the theory seems to mesh well with the flavor of the comic. Now, after I first posted this theory somebody (I think Mezzaphor) advanced a similar one, saying that Jones is indeed an animated statue but by a different goddess. That is also an attractive theory and maybe one even more likely to prove correct, but to put it in The Price is Right terms, if I'd just bid $500 that second theory is a bid of $501.
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Post by bluemotion on Jun 5, 2010 2:42:26 GMT
Just bringing up a point that jesses brought up in a previous thread: Reynardine seems to think that even Coyote would be unable to answer this question. So even in the eyes of the local omnipotent super-being, she's most likely a mystery.
I suspect Tom has something suitably obscure and mysterious planned out.
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Post by mobius on Jun 9, 2010 12:34:49 GMT
I may be barking up a wrong tree here, but in spite of all her mystery, has Jones ever failed to answer a direct question?
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Post by damilo on Jun 9, 2010 18:18:35 GMT
I may be barking up a wrong tree here, but in spite of all her mystery, has Jones ever failed to answer a direct question? She has avoided a couple questions saying stuff like "it's not the time to answer that" or something similar.
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Post by eightyfour on Jun 10, 2010 7:26:47 GMT
I may be barking up a wrong tree here, but in spite of all her mystery, has Jones ever failed to answer a direct question? She has avoided a couple questions saying stuff like "it's not the time to answer that" or something similar. I'm not sure, will have to go through the archives again, but I think mobius may be on to something here. From the top of my head I can only recall two times where Jones was avoiding an answer, and in both cases there wasn't actually a direct question. First: Annie makes an observation that Jones doesn't seem to ally herself with anybody. Jones commends her on it but quickly changes the topic. Note Annie didn't ask anything like "is this true?" or "why is that?". Second: Annie asks her directly "are you a robot?" to which she gives a clear answer. The implied question "but what exactly are you then?" isn't actually asked, Jones interrupts Annie before she can speak the sentence. Could it be that Jones is unable to not truthfully answer a direct question? Possible, but again, I'd have to check the archives. These two incidents are too little evidence.
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Post by mobius on Jun 10, 2010 9:56:06 GMT
Jones does deflect a question from Eglamore here, so it's more likely she just answers Annie's questions because she wants to. Even so, I've been idly speculating if she might be 'bound' to Annie in some way...
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Post by cheddarius on Jun 11, 2010 7:25:44 GMT
That does not seem indicative of a larger trend to me. "Are you a robot", like "Is the girl in the picture Brennie's half-cousin's dog's trainer's great-aunt" or "Who is that guy [Eglamore]" or "Are Annie and Kat totally going to lez out", is... a question that has been repeated so much that it has become a joke. Jones is merely putting the matter to rest in a canonical way. That she avoids the other questions could be just how she is. I mean, the fact that she answered a direct question and dodged two indirect ones... that's a sample size of three. If I said, "I will pray to Coyote once, then not pray twice", and flipped a coin three times, there's a 1/8 chance that praying to Coyote would seem to cause heads, and a 1/4 chance of the same with heads or tails. And really, there could be a myriad of other explanations. This seems to me like finding patterns where none exist.
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Post by tremere on Jun 24, 2010 0:17:19 GMT
Tom said there was no relation between Jones and Jeanne. Could you please link the post where he wrote it? I don't think that names with the same origin (both come from the first name John, or rather it's hebraic origin) have been chosen without any reason, or that would be quite a coincidence.
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Post by Fuin on Jun 24, 2010 15:08:35 GMT
Could you please link the post where he wrote it? I don't think that names with the same origin (both come from the first name John, or rather it's hebraic origin) have been chosen without any reason, or that would be quite a coincidence. Here.And here.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jun 24, 2010 18:05:39 GMT
It's been posted elsewhere by other people, but since this is the Jones facts thread and it supports my pet Jones-is-Galatea theory I suppose I'll duplicate it. In the 3rd treatise print there's a thingie that looks like a clay venus figurine. Also: If the shadow is Jack and that figure is indeed Jones then I think we've got all the people in that print identified now.
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Post by occasionaltomble on Jul 4, 2010 22:59:13 GMT
Hi folks! Been reading the comic a couple years, but never really noticed the forum up until quite recently. I felt compelled to register to give my thoughts on this though, having seen the thread a couple days ago and feeling that a reveal may be imminent on aspects of this. Not that I'm confident that I must be right, but y'know. And yes, I know I've got a lot to say here, sorry I must be about as obsessive in these riddles as the rest of you ;D (Cool thread BTW ) * She is heavier than a human of her size should be. She sank deeper than anybody else into Parley's bed ( 587), and she sinks like a stone when she jumped off the boat ( 727). Anything I missed? Any of my assumptions that can be disproven? Ok, whilst I won't entirely discount that this could be right, the idea never really resonated with me, and though I've heard the claim a few times now, the case seems a bit overblown IMO. *Sinking into the bed Ok, firstly, she's an adult, with some young teenagers and a demonic phantom shapeshifting wolfy thing. I'd expect her to be at least somewhat heavier than most of them; having said this, she does generally seem to be a comparable height to Parley, maybe even shorter, although it's kinda hard to judge given that Parley's hair is the size of a small house, and may have whole tribes of pygmies lost within it. So this point may not count for that much, although the height observation should be noted for later. Secondly, they're not on a squash court, or the deck of an aircraft carrier, they're on a bed. More specifically, they're stood on a duvet on a mattress, both of which tend to have a bit of give. Yes, the point is more that she's sunk lower (if she actually has) than the rest of them, but I don't think that much difference in pressure would be needed for one to sink further than another. See their legs? Parley's feet seem to be about a foot apart, maybe 8". Smitt's a comparable amount. Annie's maybe even more. You'd expect that to distribute their weights more evenly across the surface. See Jones? Feet neatly together. Furthermore, see where they're stood. Parley is pretty much on the corner, Smitty pretty close; Jones appears to be smack in the middle, next to Annie. On many springy surfaces (say a trampoline or something), you'd expect something in the middle to sink much further than something on the edge. Having said this, these 2 points seem to make little difference on my manky decrepit old mattress, so I may be talking crap, but it's quite possible another kind of mattress, or perhaps a different type of bedframe (but that one looks like a box divan or whathaveyou) might behave more like I describe. OR if not perhaps Tom S thought the same way I did and assumed (for a fairly minor detail) that the bed would react that way, without checking. Now, perhaps more to the point, is she actually sunk that much lower than anybody else? Certainly Annie (again, right next to her near the middle) seems to be rather deeper in it than Parley, who almost appears to be floating (perhaps the experience left her superlight?). If we say that the middle doesn't give any more than the edges, we could perhaps see the state of Parley's room, and that her bed is rather a mess and so the duvet might be more bunched up where they are, giving a greater impression of depth. I mentioned earlier their heights. Lets say Parley and Jones are more or less the same height (as I said, Jones may even be shorter), and then try and work out the perspective a bit: I'd say that their heads here seem to be about the same level. If so, then Jones can't have sunk that deeply, can she? The appearance of her calves is probably the most compelling case for her having sunk a lot here. However, check the drawings over the rest of the chapter- the height of her hemline against her legs seems to vary, as though perhaps it wasn't considered important enough to get right or pay attention to getting consistent. So whilst we could maybe see her as being up to her knees in duvet, we might also see her as being slightly past her ankles. Considering the head height in particular, I'm inclined to say the latter, but hey I could be wrong. Also re the idea that she'd be up to her knees: see the bit where the bed goes crrrrrrrUNCH! And on the next page, "LEAVE THE CHOCOLATES! AND GIVE ME THAT! AND JONES, YOU OWE ME A NEW *@!#ING BED!!"? No, me neither. ;D If she's say, sunk maybe 3" deeper than anyone else due to her weight, we might suppose what, she's what, maybe 12 or 13 stone? Which would certainly be a lot for her frame, but if her "superdensity" is claimed to be the source of her ability to smash through huge reinforced-concrete walls with her bare hands I don't buy it. Imagine what Rik Waller could do!! If she were as dense as a neutron star, I'd accept that as explaining her power, but then she wouldn't just sink a bit deeper in beds, she wouldn't even be able to climb the stairs; when she jumped into the lake, she'd punch straight through to the Earth's core and out the other side (where, dripping in lava and superhot radioactive iron, she'd doubtless still have much the same expression) There's probably some points I forgot there. But all in all, I'd say the most extraordinary aspect of Jones on that bed, is her nerves of raw steel (see her "Oh." face vs Antimony's " " face) and her superhuman balance (she's suddenly stood on a very soft springy surface with her feet right together and remains casually upright). Now, shall I address the other page in a separate reply? hm. *previewy* I think I shall. Sorry if that's frowned upon, but the comment's getting huge
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Post by occasionaltomble on Jul 5, 2010 0:19:21 GMT
Hokay, re the stuff on the 2nd page now... (don't worry I'm not gonna try and deconstruct every last episode!) * She is heavier than a human of her size should be. She sank deeper than anybody else into Parley's bed ( 587), and she sinks like a stone when she jumped off the boat ( 727). I forgot to point out BTW: The idea of Jones merely being say 50% or so denser than a normal human does kinda work ok with the assumption that her monstrous power is from her being a robot, but I didn't even buy that before she shot the idea down herself. Some have said "Maybe she's an android and she doesn't think that counts", but I think that'd be lame. However I concede that if instead the answer was she's a cyborg, it isn't pedantry to say that's different to a robot, and would fit both the strength and weight, whilst keeping her essentially a human. It still doesn't feel right to me though. Anyway: *Jones' motivation for jumping in the lake My own reading of this page was different to most other peoples' I saw: I didn't read her stepping off the boat as "Damn, can't use that jetty, it won't take my weight", but "Time to soak in the water". The lake is used by the ether stations to extract the precious ether, and we've seen what an effect different sorts of rains have on Zimmy. Considering the imminent showdowny scene we were coming to, it seemed reasonable to me that Jones might want to prepare herself for what was to come, whatever that'd be, and whatever effect the water would have. I had little expectation of what events would come, but perhaps considering they were finally ended by the rain, a plausible assumption now might be that by being soaked in the water whilst she waited outside the door, she was left with a little field/bubble of realness around her to better protect her (and Rey too) from the reality-warping hallucinations going on through the door. (This is why I proposed at the start that a reveal may be imminent on this, hope I don't post too late if so ) My reading of Reynardine's comment BTW was less that it was offered as a serious explanation, than just the opportunity to be snarky. Could be she genuinely has always been "a little" touchy about her weight, but little more than the average woman. *Motivation for the wall Her choice of smashing through a wall vs climbing the rope, was I guess a bit less obvious, although not entirely arbitrary: a) Jones in skirt trying to climb rope, with Reynardine on ground. Don't see it happening. However, I'd think Annie could put him in her bag or bring him up the rope with her first, or various other options, so eh. But maybe Jones didn't feel like asking her to for her sake (could seem a sign of weakness, not very Jones) b) The rope would lead them back to that makeshift bridge over to that doorway, and perhaps (I don't have a great sense of the building layout) that'd be a somehow strategically poorer part of the building to enter from? EG Jack'd see them coming. I think in retrospect that door's on a different floor tho, so not very convincing without more info. c) She wanted to show off (surely not, really doesn't sound like her style, but then again, consider "What're you up to? Trying to make a point for the Carver girl?" 382) d) She just doesn't like climbing ropes, I dunno. Might be slippery by now too. I'll admit my interpretations of this choice are kinda ropey ;D *Jones "sinks like a stone" when she jumps off the boat Well let's get this straight, she seems to step straight off a 10 foot drop into deep water. It's not, as far as we know saltwater (are saltwater lakes always "seas"? I dunno), and she isn't Jesus* or the little old man from Remo The Destroyer (even if her demolition skills evoke the "Make a hole!" scene on a far grander scale). From what little we can see in the 2nd panel, she may well have simply casually stepped straight off the side rather than say hunching down and trying to lower herself off the edge first, and I'd frankly see that as more in character. That's quite a drop. (*-Well I guess we are trying to figure out who/what she is here, but I think that'd be pushing things) So I don't find anything that shocking about her going *bloosh* and making a bit of a splash. If she were particularly heavier than she looks, I'd really expect a much bigger louder splash, even. However if (as it much much later occurred to me) this claim is less about the drop itself, and more about panel 5, where she appears to be walking up to her cheeks in water, then ok I'll admit I'm not much of a swimmer and don't actually spend much time trying to walk across the bottoms of lakes deep enough to cover my nose. You might expect her to be a bit more buoyant here perhaps, yes? This is a very fair point if so, ok. a)Perhaps in fact she's in the process of buoying up again here, after sinking a lot deeper? But I do get the impression it's showing her in the middle of walking across the bottom, some moments more after she jumped in, and so it wouldn't be deeper than that if so, or take that long. *shrug* b)Perhaps the water has even less density than fresh water, due to some aspect of the ether-gathering process, so things are less buoyant in it. We might expect the boats to sink a lot lower if so, but it's probably not a very pronounced effect, and I'm not sure it's very pronounced on Jones. c)Tom simply messed up a bit (nobody's perfect, how about the next page which briefly showed Jones with 6 fingers?) d)Perhaps she is super-dense here, and perhaps part of her power is she can will herself to be heavier, like Rey and Coyote can casually shapechange... e)...or (in relation to her crazy movement abilities shown in the duel) simply able to will herself to sink lower. If she can will herself to be super-dense at times though, I'm not sure how that fits in with the rest of either theory (haven't thought about that option long), although choosing to stick to the bottom like that would fit with the "want to get wet" theory and enable her to walk across the bottom easier instead of swimming (more in character IMO). ...Ok I think I'm done. Feel free to rip it to shreds, I'm sure aspects of it are not too compelling, but IMO neither are aspects of the existing theory. No hard feelings either way, I'm sure it'll all get settled sooner or later, whichever explanation is right Just wanted to get my own theories out whilst this one's still in play.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 5, 2010 7:27:02 GMT
Welcome to the forums, Occasionaltomble! I like your approaches to the "Is Jones really sinking into the bed" question. I can't argue with your observations but I would like to add a few small details. First, with the art critique approach (Is this drawing meant to be a representation of Jones sinking into the bed?) I think we agree the evidence is conflicted. Using other panels in other comics we can get some benchmarks to compare and the relative heights of the characters do not seem to support Jones being sunk in. When standing side by side Antimony's eyes are roughly the same level as the top of Jones' scarf, as they are in the comic in question. On the other hand we can't see Jones' feet at all. You're quite right about Jones' skirt. By looking at other comics we can see her below-the-knee skirt vary in length a bit over the chapter but I must point out it does consistently show a fair amount of leg. We can see only a very tiny amount of skin below the hem in comic #587. There are also the wrinkly sort of lines around where people are standing; Jones' are perhaps running down the side of the bed (though others have argued that they may have nothing to do with Jones). Now, the wrinkles in the mattress that may or may not be the mattress starting to fold in the center may also be attributed to poor bed-making skills on George's part, and therefore might be meaningless. The relative heights of the characters being somewhat off might be something fairly easy to do by accident, since that is something that would be done about the same from panel to panel. However, I must disagree with you about those calves. I think that lack of leg below the skirt showing would be difficult to draw by mistake; it's not impossible but it really is far off from where it should be relative to the other girls. Therefore given the balance of the evidence I think we do have reason to believe that the artist who drew the picture did mean for us to take away the idea that Jones looks like she is sinking into the bed more than the other characters. Secondly, taking the visual elements at face value, can we account for Jones appearing to sink into a mattress without being heavier than normal for a woman of her build and size? Here is where I can add a few science-type details. A standard mattress is a bit more complicated than a trampoline. It's actually made of a series of springs, usually encased, held together at the top and bottom, and padded with foam. It sounds like you have noticed while doing your own experiments that whether your feet are together or far apart, your feet are still standing on the same number of springs. For you to sink in the mattress itself has to bend, and that depends on how it is supported from underneath. Complicating the situation is the fact that mattress springs are designed to give a lot at first and less as more pressure is applied, by virtue of the wire in the spring being thicker in the middle. That means we cannot say that something sunk in twice as far must be twice as heavy, it must be more than twice as heavy. Could it possibly have been a more exotic mattress, like a water bed or memory foam? Either of those would explain why someone looks like they were deeply sunken in. However, if it were a waterbed I would expect to see a comical scene as everyone appeared and then tried to keep their balance. Memory foam might be possible but given its uniform construction we're again left with the problem of why Jones looks like she's in deeper than most. Now, back to the under-mattress support. If it were supported mostly at the edges with more give in the center, that might indeed account for Jones sinking deeper into the bed. However, like the trampoline example you mentioned, if that were the case then I would expect to see everyone else tilting toward the center of the bed, or struggling to resist doing so. The feet we can see are quite boringly positioned as if on a flat surface. Also, Antimony is standing next to Jones and doesn't appear to be sunk in. One might try to counter-argue that this detail might have escaped the artist but I think that position is self-defeating since it relies on the artist being aware and unaware of the mechanics of the bed in a very particular pattern to get this exact result. Therefore I think we have to assume there is a more-or-less uniform support under a mattress of either springs or foam. A standard box springs with a frame, or maybe just a wood or metal frame with slats, would fit nicely. That would make it much less likely for Jones to appear to sink in without actually doing so. It is not impossible, because Jones might have happened to teleport directly over pre-existing damaged springs or a hole in the mattress, but if the mattress were in such bad shape one would think other people might be sinking in other places as well. Next issue: How much is Jones sinking in if she is sinking in? Since we can't see her feet at all I think that's three inches at an absolute minimum. Depending on how much significance you lend to the skirt-length the high end estimate could be fairly high, but even if we say that we can only see the very top of Parley's shoes (call that 1/4 inch) then Jones must weigh more than 110% of Parley, while Jones is shorter than Smit, who is shorter than Parley. So, I agree that Jones can't be neutron-star dense but I think that unless she wears neutron-star dense undergarments her weight is way off for a human woman's height and build. The idea of Jones merely being say 50% or so denser than a normal human does kinda work ok with the assumption that her monstrous power is from her being a robot, but I didn't even buy that before she shot the idea down herself. Could you buy Jones as a living statue? I like to post my theory that Jones is Galatea every so often. It might explain why practice swords bounce off her face with a skang noise.
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Post by Madeleine on Jul 6, 2010 0:20:05 GMT
Could you buy Jones as a living statue? I like to post my theory that Jones is Galatea every so often. It might explain why practice swords bounce off her face with a skang noise. I couldn't help but notice this on Galatea's Wikipedia page: By the 19th century, the story often becomes one in which the awakened beloved rejects Pygmalion; although she comes alive, she is initially cold and unattainable. "Cold" and "unattainable" are pretty accurate descriptions of Jones.
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Post by wittgen on Jul 6, 2010 5:34:58 GMT
A huge piece of evidence for Jones being super heavy that I think bears mentioning is that Reynardine specifically said, "she's always been a little touchy about her weight." That makes interpreting her reasons for not taking the dock or the rope as being something other than her weight pretty unreasonable.
Jones is extremely heavy.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 6, 2010 7:36:32 GMT
Hello Madeleine and Wittgen, welcome to the forums! Jones may be cold but she also promotes romance!Also, further into that chapter Reynard coughs up another interesting comment. When Jones says that the good doctor gave her flowers because he is smitten with her, Reynard says "Modest as ever, Jones." That suggests that such things may happen regularly to Jones, methinks.
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Post by wittgen on Jul 6, 2010 18:24:52 GMT
Thanks for the welcome. I'm not so sure that Reynard's "modest as ever" line means such things happen regularly to her. My line of thought is that he was teasing her for being so blunt, and it could have nothing to do with someone being smitten with her at all. The most the "as ever" could imply is that he has seen her be that blunt about other people's romantic interest in her before. Of course, Reynardine was imprisoned for five years, so I think it's been a while since he has had the chance to to witness such a thing. Hm, it could be a good hint that someone was crushing on Jones in the past. It's definitely an interesting hint about Jones and Reynardine's mysterious history.
I'm not sure if this has been brought up before, but I've begun to think that Jones may be trusted by Antimony more than any other adult in the court. That's not saying much, I know, and I'm not even sure if it's germane to this thread. Still, it's worth considering that when things went south, Antimony seemed to want to call Ms. Jones. (721)
Oh, and the fact that she was awake and fully dressed in the middle of the night might imply that she doesn't need much if any sleep.
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Post by andrewtbp on Aug 30, 2010 8:09:39 GMT
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Post by legion on Aug 30, 2010 20:30:57 GMT
We already had a nasty argument about that. Let's not have it again.
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Post by evilanagram on Sept 15, 2010 20:02:21 GMT
The word "beholden" can refer to the state of being in a relationship, and that meaning fits much better with Reynardine's response. Eg: "The girl was beholden to her fiancé." It implies that a contract of some sort is involved, such as marriage vows or an engagement. That meaning has become a bit outdated, but so has the word "beholden." Furthermore, Jones' reply to Annie in 375 is extremely vague. It is unclear whether she is saying that Annie's assumptions are irrelevant (and, therefore, so are her conclusions), or if she's saying that her neutrality is irrelevant to their discussion. That is a pretty flimsy basis for that assumption, and the fact that she wears human clothing regularly and wears them correctly disproves that assumption. One could assume from the information given is that she is unfamiliar with human fashion, though even that's pretty flimsy. If you must draw an assumption from her wardrobe, you could say that Jones does not care about human fashion. However, the best assumption to draw from her wardrobe would be that she does not like flashy clothing: She has a muted personality, and her clothing matches it. Asking Annie to call her "Jones" is a way of making their relationship less formal. Calling her "Miss Jones" or "Ms. Jones" while Jones calls Annie "Antimony" creates a relationship in which Jones is the dominant party. Jones may have wanted to avoid this kind of relationship, and so asked to be called "Jones," making their relationship more equal. You can see something similar when Mr. and Mrs. Donlan ask Annie to address them by their first names ( 101), implying they want their relationship to be less formal. This assumes that Coyote is omniscient with regards to the ether, and he is not, as evinced by his ignorance with regards to the means by which the Court made the Annan waters impassable. Furthermore, if Jones is an etheric being who comes from a culture far removed from both the Court and the Americas, then there is no reason why Coyote would know about her.
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Post by simzthedragon on Sept 28, 2010 18:11:02 GMT
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Post by Casey on Sept 28, 2010 21:13:56 GMT
Surma didn't like Jones, that is true. That Jones is a student at that time, though, is not a safe assumption.
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Post by jayne on Sept 28, 2010 21:40:43 GMT
Surma didn't like Jones, that is true. That Jones is a student at that time, though, is not a safe assumption. It took me a while to find this: Was Jones taught at the court?Nope.
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