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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 7:56:56 GMT
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Post by canus on May 14, 2010 8:05:02 GMT
Etheric software! Etheric android! No further arguments!
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 8:10:59 GMT
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Post by rcrantz on May 14, 2010 8:17:42 GMT
When you mentioned that the explanation for Jones that I came up with was that she might have bathed in the river Styx. Then I remembered that that only shields you, and doesn't give you super human strength. Mysteries, mysteries... Maybe, if hitting the wall would normally damage your hand, but doesn't because you are invulnerable, the wall ends up taking the damage instead?
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Post by Mezzaphor on May 14, 2010 8:41:01 GMT
Jones was not present at the Court as a student, so her presence there doesn't necessarily mean that she was a child back then. Even if she did look like a child then, she could have gotten a new body, as we've seen Robot S13 do. The best evidence against Jones being a robot is the fact that Rey -- an old acquaintance of hers -- thinks it a preposterous theory.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on May 14, 2010 9:31:07 GMT
I always assumed that this page meant that Jones knew alot about alot, so it disturbed the headmaster to know that Ysengrin was an extreme case, even compared to the rest of what Jones has seen.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2010 9:55:11 GMT
It could mean either, or even both, really. That's the wonderful thing about vague conversations.
Edit: I originally thought that was the case too. However, the Headmaster's statement might be due for re-evaluation in the wake of all the things we've seen Jones do.
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Post by wombat on May 14, 2010 10:17:18 GMT
Oh God, Jones just made a pretty big leap on my list of favorite characters. She does look a little annoyed, but it might just be her slight head tilt. Which, I feel, emphasizes her awesomeness.
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Post by elycium on May 14, 2010 10:26:28 GMT
Well, I think Jones might be a little more inclined to listen to Annie's side of the story... but I think Annie is still going to wind up with a semester's worth of detention. ;D
Love the hand print in the wall. Always the direct method with her.
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Post by todd on May 14, 2010 10:37:36 GMT
Well, I think Jones might be a little more inclined to listen to Annie's side of the story... but I think Annie is still going to wind up with a semester's worth of detention. ;D Though that still raises the question of what we'd do for stories while she's serving it, unless Tom announces that nothing interesting went on in Gunnerkrigg or Gillitie during that time and fast-forwards to the end of the sentence.
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Post by rebecca on May 14, 2010 10:56:46 GMT
Kinda wandering a little too close to A Wizard "The Ether Did It!" for my tastes, you know? Jones was not present at the Court as a student, so her presence there doesn't necessarily mean that she was a child back then. Even if she did look like a child then, she could have gotten a new body, as we've seen Robot S13 do.[/quote] Where are people seeing Jones in a child body? The person in the flashback chapter is Brynnie, who has nothing to do with Jones. We've never seen Jones as anything but an adult.
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Post by Mezzaphor on May 14, 2010 11:17:49 GMT
For readers who aren't aware of Tom's statement on the forum, then young Eggers' and Donny's comments about Jones would seem to imply that she was their classmate.
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It's funny how some of us (myself included) were whipped into a near-frenzy over whether it would be possible to break this seal without killing Rey, or whether the Court would use this opportunity to imprison Rey away from Annie... And then Jones simply breaks the seal on page 2 of the new chapter. (If it were anyone else, I'd still wonder about unforeseen side-effects, but Jones knows her stuff.)
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Post by blue on May 14, 2010 11:34:30 GMT
Ahahaha, yeah you smash a machine and it turns off. Geez Annie weren't you paying attention in those simulations?
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Post by todd on May 14, 2010 12:07:00 GMT
For readers who aren't aware of Tom's statement on the forum, then young Eggers' and Donny's comments about Jones would seem to imply that she was their classmate. I think that a lot of the speculation (to the point of near-conviction) that Jones, rather than Brinnie, was the third girl in the photograph came from the role of the other five children in it. The other five have all played major roles in the comic, in various fashions. Surma and Anthony were the parents of Annie, the protagonist; furthermore, Surma had an important role in the backstory (Reynardine falling in love with her, Annie's grief over her death, etc.) and Anthony's disappearance is one of the big questions in the story. Anja and Donald are the parents of Kat, one of the leading figures next to Annie, and both teach at the Court; Anja, in particular, is one of Annie's leading teachers (even instructing her on how to use the Blinker Stone). Eglamore is another of the most prominent teachers in the comic, playing a major role in events at the Court ever since Chapter Three. From this, it would seem logical that the sixth person in the photograph also be a prominent figure in the comic, a role which Jones certainly fulfills. But Brinnie only appeared on-stage in Chapter Twenty-two, disappeared only a few pages in (heading back to Valhalla, apparently), and has had no role in the present-day part of the story. Perhaps a lot of the readers found it incomprehensible that Tom would give the sixth place in the photograph to a bit character, in stark contrast to the roles of the other five people in it. (Though I wonder whether that might actually have been a good touch of realism - not everybody in your parents' old school yearbook photograph needs to play a major role in your life.)
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Post by Goatmon on May 14, 2010 12:33:54 GMT
YAY JONES! I had a good laugh at her out of nowhere appearance. It's good to see the stoic schoolmarm annoying someone other than the kids for once. xD Jones was not present at the Court as a student, so her presence there doesn't necessarily mean that she was a child back then. Even if she did look like a child then, she could have gotten a new body, as we've seen Robot S13 do. The best evidence against Jones being a robot is the fact that Rey -- an old acquaintance of hers -- thinks it a preposterous theory. That she was not taught at the court does not debunk being a child, by any measure. You people and your theories.
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Post by Goatmon on May 14, 2010 12:41:25 GMT
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Post by Casey on May 14, 2010 12:45:03 GMT
You people and your theories. This sums up my thoughts regarding the last month or so very nicely...
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Post by lovecraft1024 on May 14, 2010 12:58:31 GMT
To me, Jones looks just the *slightest* bit annoyed. Maybe that's giving away a lot for her. Or, maybe it's because the picture is kinda small and it's hard to render the true intent at that resolution...
But what's that black spot on the back of her hand in panel 8?
By the way, goatmon's avatar would be great on a t-shirt...
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Post by squidlet on May 14, 2010 13:24:13 GMT
But what's that black spot on the back of her hand in panel 8? Its probably just rock.
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Post by haggidubious on May 14, 2010 13:58:53 GMT
Jones...I think I am in love. Smash me to bits with your amazing form...
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Post by Yin on May 14, 2010 13:59:32 GMT
Does Jones rock? Does Jones rock.
Hell, I'm even more freaked about cosplaying her now. There is no way. Uh uh.
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Post by Mezzaphor on May 14, 2010 14:48:27 GMT
For readers who aren't aware of Tom's statement on the forum, then young Eggers' and Donny's comments about Jones would seem to imply that she was their classmate. I think that a lot of the speculation (to the point of near-conviction) that Jones, rather than Brinnie, was the third girl in the photograph came from the role of the other five children in it. That, and there is a little bit of a physical resemblance between the two. That was why I confused the two characters originally: I'd been waiting for the mysterious third girl from the photo to show up since ch 7, then ch 14 went up and we met the first character who could have passed for a grown-up version of photo girl. The inference was obvious, even though it was completely wrong. That she was not taught at the court does not debunk being a child, by any measure. You people and your theories.I wasn't trying to say that it did. My point is that we don't know what Jones is and that one bit of evidence is less clear-cut than it appears.
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Post by the bandit on May 14, 2010 15:01:09 GMT
Perhaps we will never know [who spoke in the last panel]! Or perhaps we'll adjust our monitors so we can see the tinted pink in the speech bubble. EDIT: Or perhaps we'll put our foot in our mouth. Though it does seem like some people need to adjust their monitor settings.
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Post by wlerin on May 14, 2010 15:27:11 GMT
Perhaps we will never know [who spoke in the last panel]! Or perhaps we'll adjust our monitors so we can see the tinted pink in the speech bubble. Or alternatively perhaps we'll leave our monitors alone, and stop putting words in people's mouths. That said, if Annie had intended to ask for someone else and then noticed Ms. Jones, I would have expected the second speech bubble to end with an exclamation point, not another ellipsis.
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Post by jesses on May 14, 2010 15:30:43 GMT
Jones doesn't need to be a robot to rip a hole in concrete, she could just be very strong (but within normal human bounds) and impervious to harm.
Give me an iron mallet and I can smash holes in concrete with a good full arm swing. The only reason I can't do it with my first is that my fist is not harder then concrete, so when the two forces meet my hand is what gives, not the concrete.
Human strength has two limiting factor bone strength and the tensile strength of muscle itself. Eventually either you are going to get strong enough that you tear your muscles off the bones they attach to or you are going to crack the bones. As a safety inspector and assistant medic on construction crews I've seen both.
If Jones is simply impervious to harm (such as she would be in the hypothetical dipped in the River Styx scenario) then neither of those limiting factors apply to her and she can exercise incredible, superhuman strength without actually being, y'know, superhuman.
I'm just throwing that out there to show that she might not be superhuman, I tend to think she is so far past human that it's not even worth thinking about.
The main reason I don't think she's an Android/Robot/Machine is that the VAST majority of Robots we've seen in the court are... well they are all kinda pansies. Unless she is an Original Court Robot I have a hard time believing a Robot as seen in Gunnergrigg could be that epic.
Though, if she IS an Original Court Robot and has been around since the beginning it would explain A LOT.
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Post by djublonskopf on May 14, 2010 15:31:37 GMT
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Post by djublonskopf on May 14, 2010 15:32:40 GMT
The main reason I don't think she's an Android/Robot/Machine is that the VAST majority of Robots we've seen in the court are... well they are all kinda pansies. Unless she is an Original Court Robot I have a hard time believing a Robot as seen in Gunnergrigg could be that epic. Ah! Beat me to it by a minute!
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Post by the bandit on May 14, 2010 15:40:36 GMT
Or alternatively perhaps we'll leave our monitors alone, and stop putting words in people's mouths. Rebuke taken! I misread the conversation as a continuation of msosb's question. Sorry, Mr. Pitchfork!
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Post by violet on May 14, 2010 15:50:25 GMT
Edit: to take that metaphor to it's logical conclusion, that would seem to imply that Jack is "the one" Grooooaann…. I wonder though why Annie doesn't want Anja or Eggers involved. Well, Elgamore is a paternal ass. She doesn't like him, and definitely doesn't want him holding this over her. Anja wouldn't do that, but she would be sympathetic—something Annie probably doesn't think would be very helpful right now. Something, not incidentally, she probably doesn't think she deserves right now. I didn't expect Annie to trust anyone in the Court enough to ask for their help in such a situation. That's an interesting observation. However, irrelevant. I think Annie knows that whatever control of the situation she might have will evaporate if she doesn't ask for someone in a position of authority. In this case, there is someone fitting the bill who she trusts, and who the gold buttons likely regard as a bit scary. Hell, I'm even more freaked about cosplaying her now. There is no way. Uh uh. Foam stage rocks. You'll be fine. :-)
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Post by Casey on May 14, 2010 16:00:12 GMT
Well, Elgamore is a paternal ass. She doesn't like him, and definitely doesn't want him holding this over her. Anja wouldn't do that, but she would be sympathetic—something Annie probably doesn't think would be very helpful right now. Something, not incidentally, she probably doesn't think she deserves right now. Actually someone said something earlier that I agree with more, which focuses less on Anja and Eglamore's relationship with Annie, and more on their relationship with Reynardine. They worked for nearly 5 years trying to figure out how to get him out of Sivo without killing Sivo. Anja's whole etheric computer is designed around trying to control Reynardine. Eglamore blamed Reynardine (incorrectly, and prejudicially) for the bridge incident. Annie is wise to realize that the last people she wants helping her to free Reynardine, is Reynardine's former jailors. On another note, I've no idea where you got the idea that Annie feels that she deserves no sympathy right now. Where did that come from?
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