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Post by Casey on Apr 28, 2010 7:48:22 GMT
Well I mean there will be those that argue that everything Jack is doing is altruistic and that he's attempting to liberate Reynardine from his oppressive overlord Annie... just as there were those that argued back in Jupiter Moon Martians that Jack was just innocently asking innocuous questions, and Annie's hostility towards him and Reynardine's threatening posture against him were unwarranted: poor misunderstood Jack.
And to those people, I'll give a modified version of what I said back then. These things that you suggest... they are possible. I personally do not think they are likely. I could be wrong, though. But I'm willing to wager $5 USD that I'm not.
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Post by Casey on Apr 28, 2010 7:50:39 GMT
Maybe Annie will use the device from Eglamore (the stick-like thing?) to call for help. After all, she was telling Jack that she was going to "get him some help", and she's probably so freaked out at present that she won't mind calling an adult. This is a good thought, but unfortunately, Tom said somewhere that, routinely, Annie only carries the beacon when she goes into the Forest, and leaves it in her desk drawer otherwise. However, it is possible that she made an exception this time. I know if I were her and I were going to meet him, under these circumstances, I'd probably have more than a couple of backup plans up my sleeve.
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Post by La Goon on Apr 28, 2010 7:54:34 GMT
So... this talk about "making her come to me", I wonder if that was genuine or just an excuse to Annie for why he powered up the station. I guess it could have more than one purpose (assuming that the power-station is contributing to make this trap work) so the "luring her out" part could still be true. Man, I really don't have any grasp of what Jack's up to
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Post by zingbat on Apr 28, 2010 7:58:19 GMT
If Rey has indeed been loosed from the toy, and something prevents him from returning to it, Rey will have to take a new body quickly. I seriously doubt he'll take Annie. Jack, you've no one to blame but yourself for your impending death. Also, I think Jack is already 'occupied', so to speak, and that Rey wouldn't really want that spider as a roommate. Now I almost wonder---although maybe this belongs in the wild speculation thread---if it might actually be Jack's intent to force Reynardine to occupy his (Jack's) body, with the hope that Reynardine will force the spider out or something. I can't see that ending well for Jack, though.
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 28, 2010 8:08:07 GMT
Tom said that Guard Robot's CPU was destroyed. Guard Robot is gone forever, thanks to Jack. That's sad (not to mention incongruous, considering how easily robots have been restored in the past), but, even so, Jack would have no way of knowing that and would have thought the same as I did, based on the story rather than Tom's deuterocanonical pronouncements, that robots can be easily disassembled and reassembled, often with an improvement in body style.
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Post by sz on Apr 28, 2010 8:10:27 GMT
Oh wait holy shit is he banishing Reynardine oh my God what's going on
*reads the thread*
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Post by penguinfactory on Apr 28, 2010 8:12:26 GMT
Now I almost wonder---although maybe this belongs in the wild speculation thread---if it might actually be Jack's intent to force Reynardine to occupy his (Jack's) body, with the hope that Reynardine will force the spider out or something. Or maybe he thinks he can control Reynardine's power instead of being taken over? One thing to realise is that the doll is still intact, meaning he can just go back to it. I think Jack is going to grab it before that happens and try to transfer ownership of Reynardine to himself.
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Post by nijimei on Apr 28, 2010 8:38:25 GMT
Well, crap.
Let's see if I can round up all the current speculations on WHAT THE HECK JACK IS THINKING:
1. Force Rey into a compromised position so that he cannot help Annie with whatever happens next. This I think is less likely considering that a) Rey has to possess some body nearby, and b) Annie was asked to bring Rey along, which indicates that Jack wanted something more. Hence:
2. Jack might just have wanted to experiment with his macgyver doohickeys, pushing his limits so to speak in playing with etheric technology. Considering he has no powers himself, I would guess this is what he needed to activate the ether station for, at least partially, because I would think that it would require some force to bypass Annie's ownership of the doll
3. For whatever sick reason, Jack might want Rey to possess Annie and in essence, kill her.
4. Jack might want Rey's powers when they enter him, and then try to find a way to use his massive cunning to weasel his way out of that sticky situation. If this happened it would be sad considering Rey's feelings for Annie trapped in a body that Annie... doesn't associate good things with
Hm. Friday cannot come soon enough.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Apr 28, 2010 8:39:10 GMT
Tom said that Guard Robot's CPU was destroyed. Guard Robot is gone forever, thanks to Jack. That's sad (not to mention incongruous, considering how easily robots have been restored in the past), It's been well-established that the CPU is all that matters, and that it's in the robots' heads. Robots that were restored in the past sustained damage to their torso or limbs -- I don't believe there are any examples of robots being successfully repaired after their heads were bashed in (with the CPU still inside) like Guard Robot's was. Whatever Jack believed about the possibility of repairing Guard Robot, Jack's actions in that scene show that he did not care either way. Annie expressed concern over the robot, and Jack's reply was "So what? It's just a dumb robot" -- not the words of someone who's hoping that the robot will be repaired. Hm. Friday cannot come soon enough. I predict Friday will be an even bigger cliffhanger.
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Post by thelizard on Apr 28, 2010 9:04:41 GMT
That link to page 119 is interesting. It reminds me that this is not the first time that Annie has decided to go investigate something and dragged Reynardine along, at which point someone who has been corrupted by evil does something not so nice to Rey. The last time, the corrupted person ended up being stabbed with a giant sword.
I hope Jack has prepared for this possibility, because his brain is probably not so easy to recover.
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Post by ondredea on Apr 28, 2010 10:45:00 GMT
My first response to this can be approximately summed up in the following: *ahem* "JACK, YOU CREEPY LITTLE BASTARD!! DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THAT REY IS PRETTY CONTENT WHERE HE'S AT? That he can watch over Surma's daughter, be involved, protect her, etc.?! I bet you're trying to remove Annie's defenses! What's next? Her friggin' blinker stone?! AAAAUUGH, ANNIE, WE TOLD YOU NOT TO GO! HE'S A CREEP!!" *cough* I'm better now. Jack is still a creep and I don't trust him. I'm in a rush and don't have time to find the link to the original page where Jack met Rey, but Rey got with the snarly rage because Jack had Annie backed up against a wall. (it was an adorable page, because Rageful Rey had a flower behind his ear). So yes, Rey does serve as one of Annie's defenses. While Annie probably has The Tooth on her, it's pretty obvious that her focus is more on helping Jack than hurting him (since he's got a spider on the brain and is speculated as being less of himself and more with the crazy-making). Despite the grumblings Rey may have about being trapped in the doll, it allows him to be closer to Surma's daughter. Not to mention, of course, that Surma made the doll to begin with. If Coyote is to be believed, Rey originally left his body in order to woo Surma; with Surma gone, he should have returned to his old body since he no longer had a purpose in the Court. If Coyote is to be believed, Rey would feel considerable remorse in taking another body (that would die when he left); the doll was a flexible host where he could still interact with Annie and the others, have some range of shape, and rest easily knowing that he wouldn't be responsible for killing anyone if/when he left that shape. For this reason, I don't see Jack's "liberation" of Rey as being particularly helpful in any way to anyone other than Jack (and possibly his brainleech). He didn't free Rey; he removed him from a body that could have possibly helped Annie. Will Jack try to make Annie take him to Zimmyberg? Can Annie take him to Zimmyberg? She's developed her powers considerably, but transdimentional hoogleydoogley is unlikely to be listed among them. Arg... darn you, Tom! Here's to waiting for Friday.
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Post by tyler on Apr 28, 2010 10:48:34 GMT
Jack's off the radar for me now. Any speculation as towards intentions or motivations, or whether Jack's actually himself at this point is largely useless for me. All bets are off.
He's acting crazy, but I don't think he is clinically crazy.
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Post by todd on Apr 28, 2010 10:57:45 GMT
Well I mean there will be those that argue that everything Jack is doing is altruistic and that he's attempting to liberate Reynardine from his oppressive overlord Annie... just as there were those that argued back in Jupiter Moon Martians that Jack was just innocently asking innocuous questions, and Annie's hostility towards him and Reynardine's threatening posture against him were unwarranted: poor misunderstood Jack. And to those people, I'll give a modified version of what I said back then. These things that you suggest... they are possible. I personally do not think they are likely. I could be wrong, though. But I'm willing to wager $5 USD that I'm not. I think it's a case of people being ready to excuse the actions of a character if: a) his actions, while wrong, display vast amounts of strength, skill, and/or ingenuity and: b) he's standing up against something more powerful than himself (in Jack's case, the Court). And I'm also looking forward to Friday's page to see exactly what Jack's done to Reynardine: forced him out of the doll's body, or forced him to revert to doll form. Either way, this can't end well.
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Post by blastdragon on Apr 28, 2010 10:57:55 GMT
Hmmm, hope we get Friday a comic with a little bit more information. I think wouldn't survive it to wait a whole weekend waiting for a few answers.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Apr 28, 2010 11:26:29 GMT
I don't see Jack's "liberation" of Rey as being particularly helpful in any way to anyone other than Jack (and possibly his brainleech). He didn't free Rey; he removed him from a body that could have possibly helped Annie. Will Jack try to make Annie take him to Zimmyberg? Can Annie take him to Zimmyberg? She's developed her powers considerably, but transdimentional hoogleydoogley is unlikely to be listed among them. I'm thinking along the same lines. Jack says he needs to know what happened and he thinks he can find the answer with Zimmy and/or the power station. Zimmy didn't show up on cue and Jack has to flee the power station. Jack thinks the only other person who knows what happened in Zim City is Antimony. He's hacked into the school computer so his take on Reynardine is going to be the same as the Court's; Reynard is a murderous body-stealing demon. He's also bared his teeth at Jack personally and has interfered with getting answers out of Antimony. Therefore now that plan A (powerplant/Zimmy) has to be abandoned, barring new applications of etheric science we haven't seen before, Jack appears to be going for plan B (Antimony). Reynardine is an obstacle that needs to be gotten out of the way. He may even think he's doing Antimony a favor in the long run since Reynard's dangerous.
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Post by wanderer on Apr 28, 2010 11:29:12 GMT
Mt response to this comic:
Dude WTF.
Hopefully the next one will allow me to use more complete words.
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Post by King Mir on Apr 28, 2010 11:35:10 GMT
I hope Rey's not about to be sucked up by the either station. Or posses Jack.
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Post by legion on Apr 28, 2010 12:15:56 GMT
Who you gonna call?Well that was certainly unexpected! Ninja-edit: I didn't realise it immediatly, but the lights form this symbol.
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Post by theirishpanda on Apr 28, 2010 12:17:29 GMT
I wonder how advanced Jack's control of the symbol is, it has been used to prevent possession and physically restrain (as part of Anja's program) in the past, and now to expel, I wonder if Jack can use it to funnel Reynardine into a vessel of his choosing, an item he owns, if not himself as has already been suggested. I don't think attempting to "free" Reynardine fits into a carefully (if crazily) thought out plan, and neither does requesting his presence simply to take him out.
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Post by todd on Apr 28, 2010 12:40:04 GMT
Maybe Jack plans to use Reynardine as a hostage - "Give me answers, Carver, or your wolf friend is history!"
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Post by jon77 on Apr 28, 2010 12:46:17 GMT
Strange. So many people have jumped to conclusions which seem to me to be terribly far-fetched (Reynardine has been forced out of the doll body). To me it just seems that Jack has forced Rey's body back into the original doll-shape. Nothing indicates that this is permanent, or that he's been expelled from the doll.
Of course, the only reason to do this is because he has some diabolical plan which Rey would object to and prevent.
What's confusing me is the little red dots. There's on in panel 3 next to Jack, and in panel 4 it's above Rey. In panel 5 there are 3 of them seemingly connecting Jack and Rey.
Also, what's their connection (if any) to the device Jack planted a few pages ago?
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Post by jon77 on Apr 28, 2010 12:47:41 GMT
Who you gonna call?Well that was certainly unexpected! Ninja-edit: I didn't realise it immediatly, but the lights form this symbol. Oooooo, nice catch!
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Post by todd on Apr 28, 2010 13:01:44 GMT
Strange. So many people have jumped to conclusions which seem to me to be terribly far-fetched (Reynardine has been forced out of the doll body). To me it just seems that Jack has forced Rey's body back into the original doll-shape. Nothing indicates that this is permanent, or that he's been expelled from the doll. The last panel does seem ambivalent - maybe to heighten the sense of "What's going on here?" and thereby encourage everyone to read the next page when it comes out. I don't think we'll know for certain whether Jack has drawn Reynardine out of his current body or forced him to revert from white wolf to stuffed toy until Friday.
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Post by theirishpanda on Apr 28, 2010 13:16:36 GMT
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Post by King Mir on Apr 28, 2010 13:19:38 GMT
Strange. So many people have jumped to conclusions which seem to me to be terribly far-fetched (Reynardine has been forced out of the doll body). To me it just seems that Jack has forced Rey's body back into the original doll-shape. Nothing indicates that this is permanent, or that he's been expelled from the doll. Of course, the only reason to do this is because he has some diabolical plan which Rey would object to and prevent. What's confusing me is the little red dots. There's on in panel 3 next to Jack, and in panel 4 it's above Rey. In panel 5 there are 3 of them seemingly connecting Jack and Rey. Also, what's their connection (if any) to the device Jack planted a few pages ago? Those red dots are those devices. And they are what light up into the no eye symbol in panel 6.
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Post by Afalstein on Apr 28, 2010 13:30:22 GMT
I'm more interested in the "how" here. Since when does Jack display an etheric bent? Since when does he know how to banish demon foxes? The only etheric "technology" that we really know of is the computer that the Donals have. Does Jack have a version of this?
More importantly, why is he doing this now? Given that he said to bring the wolf, he was planning to do something like this, but why now, when they're being pursued by enemies, rather than before when he first put up the device? And why put up the device in the hallway like that?
Was the device initially intended for Zimmy and Reynardine is just a bonus? A test, maybe? Or is he trying to gain Reynardine's allegiance by "freeing" him from the doll? OR does he have some way of switching ownership of the doll to himself? (unlikely. Eglamore and the Donals would have known something like that.) Is the spider influencing this action?
Too many questions. This action doesn't make any sense. In any case, Annie isn't going to take this sitting down, and Reynardine isn't going to be happy either (as others have pointed out, he's unlikely to take Annie's body this time). Jack just opened up a can of apocalypse. Unless he has some anti-possession tattoo (which is possible), he could be in serious trouble.
EDIT: Also just noticed the eye. So he definitely knows about the Donal's research, and apparently can use it--either by hacking or affinity--unless he made his own. He most definitely could have a tattoo if he wants it.
Also, I now notice that there are two symbols by Rey, one of which is Antimony's alchemical symbol, the other of which is... unknown to me. My premise about Jack stealing ownership of Reynardine somehow is looking rather likely.
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Post by King Mir on Apr 28, 2010 13:39:09 GMT
Uhhhh, this cannot be good. The last time an event of this magnitude happened was, I dunno, 660 comics ago? I think falling off a bridge is at least of comparable magnitude. Unless you're saying that this will be hotly debated over, in which case I'd say that's too early to say.
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Post by linnabean on Apr 28, 2010 13:39:45 GMT
oh man. interesting things be happening.
i hope rey is ok... seems like we'll probably be going back to the forest soon!
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Post by Charlotte on Apr 28, 2010 13:49:56 GMT
Jack's reply was "So what? It's just a dumb robot" -- not the words of someone who's hoping that the robot will be repaired. If you'll be so kind as to tell me what I said that led you to believe I said Jack had any hopes for the robot's future one way or the other, I will endeavor in the future to be more clear in my phrasing. I believe that Jack thinks of the robots as electrical appliances, like Muut. (It is only we who are being led to feel they are "people", so we can have our heartstrings pulled when they are broken.) My point in how it relates to this incident is that we cannot assign to him the mindset of a killer because he breaks what he thinks of as an electrical appliance that, as far as he knows, could be repaired if someone was inclined to repair it. Wild Speculation: I think that Jack is also aware that Annie's father is on his way to the Court to see her, balancing the comments he made in the boat to Rey and Annie about Rey's motives and her father ditching her.
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Post by Midnight Meadows on Apr 28, 2010 13:58:10 GMT
Have none of you watched Ghostbusters? Am I seriously the first one who saw that device and thought, "gosh golly it's the Trap!" tl;dr It's going to suck Reynardine's etheric form in and store it in there. Jack's a kidnapper!
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