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Post by Casey on Dec 8, 2009 15:37:19 GMT
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Post by maestro on Dec 8, 2009 15:51:52 GMT
The reason we assume that Sir young is the lover of Jeanne is because the beast robot that attacked seraph 1 during the confrontation outside of Jeanne's memorial was revealed to greatly resemble sir young during the holographic representation of the founding of the court (at least from antimony's perspective) And that since the beast was accused of causing Jeanne's death and since Diego seems like the jealous type the assumption that they're lovers flows quite naturally. (of course Im new to the boards and can't speak for everyone, but that is what draws my assumptions.) Well I can't speak for everyone, but I just noticed that recently when re-reading the comic and my take was that the monster was supposed to represent Young, yes, but that meant that Young was the one who was responsible for Jeanne's death. (Thus the "she died and we did nothing". The play was to act out what the robots (and Diego) should have done.) Also I think there's a very good chance that the reason Jeanne's soul is trapped down by the river is because in life (and death), Jeanne's soul was torn between the two alternatives. She's obviously not happy about being in the court, and misses someone (and whoever it is she's missing, I suspect they decided to stay on the forest side of the river). Add in that Coyote said the court did something to block the flow of the river, and used that to force a bridge being built (on the court's terms no less), and I suspect whatever was done to block the river also killed Jeanne. Since Young's the protector of the court, it would make sense that he ended up killing Jeanne if she tried to stop whatever was done to block the river. (And it might not even have been on purpose, that is, not a pre-mediated thing but something forced on him by circumstances.) I also think Jeanne being able to cross the river to attack Annie may have been due to Annie's abilities. Basically, Annie being there allowed a bridge across the divide of court and forest, so Jeanne was able to cross and attack her. I'm not sure I'll buy Ysengrim being the one Jeanne's missing, but I do think Jeanne's death may be what made him so bitter against humans. If so, and Annie can help Jeanne's soul/ghost find peace, she may manage to heal Ysengrim in the process as well.
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coyotagoat
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Post by coyotagoat on Dec 8, 2009 16:17:00 GMT
I dunno... I think it could just be in Yssy's nature to hate humans. He's pretty much a force of nature, or at least a powerful archetype of the Beast, which is often resentful toward man for trying to control nature. If any of that makes any sense
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Post by the bandit on Dec 8, 2009 18:35:23 GMT
And Jeanne is from France and Paz is from Galicia. But yes, I suppose I should've mentioned that, too.
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Chrome
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Post by Chrome on Dec 8, 2009 21:18:01 GMT
Going to go with coyotagoat on this one - not everything in the GKCverse has to be connected to everything else. The whole six degrees of separation would apply as well. Ysengrim may be connected in all this somehow, but I doubt it's a Ysengrin/Jeanne ship of any sort here. I liked the idea that she had either lost a lover, or is separated from them right now by circumstances she couldn't control (Training, whatever). If Tom uses the training angle, then that's another aspect of the Surma/Anthony situation again. It's beginning to make me wonder if Anthony had loved Surma from afar, and only after the situation with Reynardine, and Eglamore being away, had he gotten his chance where Diego didn't. Seeing as Surma and Anja had explored that garage, I'm wondering if the cycle of generations here is just replaying the story, to where Annie and Kat bring it to its end. They're both fairly balanced young ladies who aren't 100% pro or against the Court or the Wood, and stand the best chance of unraveling all this mess before it blows up again. It'd at least explain why they get to investigate all these mysteries - and why there might be parallels between Jeanne and Diego, and say Surma and Anthony. Okay I'll quit babbling now.
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Post by jon77 on Dec 9, 2009 7:01:47 GMT
"...swung by seraphim whose footfalls tinkled on the tufted floor - " Quoth the tic tocs, "nevermore". "Jeanne!" - I cried - "Diego's lent thee - by this robots he hath sent thee Respite, respite and nepenthe from thy memories of Sir Young - Quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe, and forget the lost Sir Young!"
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 9, 2009 7:45:54 GMT
While Rey could have known everything he told her from personal experience and just referenced the painting to make it look as though he never knew Jeanne, someone more familiar with the Word of Tom than I would know more than I do if that counts as lying or not. I think he could leave information out, so long as he didn't change the facts, right? Rey can withhold information and refuse to answer questions, but if I'm parsing Tom's words here correctly, Rey can't give part of the truth with intent to deceive. Interesting theory. However, the split certainly didn't stop Sir Eglamore and Sivo, or Sir Thorn and Nehvita. AH! but that is AFTER the bridge is built and the test is established. After relations have been renewed and creatures of the forest are allowed to dwell in the court. Right now we can only assume that the splitting of court from forest is total. After all, they're cutting down ALL the trees to expunge any trace of the forest. And Jeanne is from France and Paz is from Galicia. But yes, I suppose I should've mentioned that, too. And Basil is from Crete. I assume Brinnie is from Valhalla. As far as we can tell, The Test only applies for people moving to or from Gillitie Wood, so extranormal creatures (like Nehvita or Sivo) hailing from places besides Gillitie can move to the Court permanently without being transformed. And since all indications are that Nehvita was not from the Wood, there's no reason to think that he (assuming Nehvita was male) would join them. Either he would stick with his friend, Sir Young, or if he wanted to be with his own kind, he'd fly back to the Bovec Mountains. Unless Sir Young decided to join the Wood... Anyway, had Sir Young even met Nehvita by the time of this recording? Ysengrim may be connected in all this somehow, but I doubt it's a Ysengrin/Jeanne ship of any sort here. After all, Ysengrin's true love is Coyote.
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Post by wynne on Dec 9, 2009 8:30:54 GMT
Conclusion: Jeanne and Yssy, sitting in a tree, K I S S I N G I can't believe we've been discussing this for days without the proper response.
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Post by Mr Pitchfork on Dec 9, 2009 8:38:09 GMT
Holy Pan, you're right. We should all be ashamed.
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Post by sostorm on Dec 9, 2009 12:56:45 GMT
I also think Jeanne being able to cross the river to attack Annie may have been due to Annie's abilities. Basically, Annie being there allowed a bridge across the divide of court and forest, so Jeanne was able to cross and attack her. It definitely has something to do with Annies abilities. This since the scar Jeanne gave her only is visible on the medium level of conscience. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=599
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Post by Casey on Dec 9, 2009 14:30:24 GMT
"Holy Pan" made me chuckle.
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Post by warrl on Dec 9, 2009 23:26:09 GMT
Since "S1" we've been meant to believe that Diego truly cared about Jeanne and was distraught over not being able to help her in some way. And this still could be true... as of when he built the shrine, after she died. Maybe he realized she had been right about him, and built it in penance. Or, maybe not.
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Post by strangethoughts on Dec 10, 2009 1:40:06 GMT
Since "S1" we've been meant to believe that Diego truly cared about Jeanne and was distraught over not being able to help her in some way. And this still could be true... as of when he built the shrine, after she died. Maybe he realized she had been right about him, and built it in penance. Or, maybe not. It could still be true even before he builds the shrine, just in a really twisted way. I mean have you ever seen those homosexual conversion camps? If diego thought that her love of the forest and whoever he views as the traitor is a sickness of the mind then by breaking her of them then in his own world view he's helping her.
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