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Post by Snes on Dec 4, 2009 8:00:28 GMT
[652]So Jeanne is sad because she longs for the forest more than the Court. I'm guessing Diego's love isn't exactly news to her either. Even with the slight stammer, that came out just a bit to quickly to be his first declaration.
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Post by edzepp on Dec 4, 2009 8:03:31 GMT
Way to be slightly creepy there Diego.
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Post by tsthogua on Dec 4, 2009 8:03:33 GMT
aw man, this one brought me down.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 4, 2009 8:05:11 GMT
Confirmation of what we all suspected: The Robots love Jeanne because Diego programmed them to do so.
Cambot is a good climber.
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Post by edzepp on Dec 4, 2009 8:14:30 GMT
How do you program love for a specific person into robots made several generations after her death though? I'd really like to see how Diego made that work.
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Post by Naamah on Dec 4, 2009 8:17:51 GMT
How do you program love for a specific person into robots made several generations after her death though? I'd really like to see how Diego made that work. Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed...
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Post by istanbul on Dec 4, 2009 8:23:41 GMT
The first medium?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 4, 2009 8:42:45 GMT
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Post by edzepp on Dec 4, 2009 8:56:45 GMT
Good point. I forgot about that.
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Post by rhoffman12 on Dec 4, 2009 9:07:30 GMT
The cambot first-person perspective for this sequence is pretty cool. Looking into the mirror in panel 4 would be pretty disorienting if you didn't see what's going on.
To Jeanne's credit, she is NOT sending any kind of mixed signals to Diego. She may as well slice "GO AWAY" into the poor guy's cheek.
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Post by chiparoo on Dec 4, 2009 10:36:09 GMT
So Jeanne has always found herself torn between Gillitie and the Court, ever since they were first split in two. And now she's stuck there.
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Post by elycium on Dec 4, 2009 11:34:23 GMT
I find it both interesting and sad that not everyone was so keen to separate the Court and the Forest. Poor Jeanne. And Diego still gives me creeper-vibes.
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Post by todd on Dec 4, 2009 12:23:10 GMT
And now we know what happened to the Court buildings we saw on the Wood's side of the ravine when Coyote dug it (back in Chapter Twenty). I liked Diego's mention of their fate in response to Jeanne's sad comment on how the Court's inhabitants are cutting down all the trees on their side of the ravine - it shows again that both sides have behaved equally badly (as Jones pointed out in Chapter Seventeen).
And this conversation has managed to make the Court seem even creepier - it hasn't gone all the way down the path that it seems to be headed (to do that, it would have to dispose even of the human population - say, by transplanting their mentalities into android bodies and then disposing of the original flesh-and-blood bodies), but it's gone well down that path. (Note that we've seen barely any living animals in the Court, aside from a few insects and spiders. None of the children even seem to have any pets - unless you count Annie with Reynardine, which is an unusual example.)
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Post by haggidubious on Dec 4, 2009 12:29:17 GMT
Ah, Diego...this can't end well for either of you. This (as we all knew) is just dripping with tragedy. I wonder if Jeanne is friends with Coyote? Can't she pop over for visits? Why not? (Blows nose)
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Post by sostorm on Dec 4, 2009 13:15:24 GMT
Well, at least she seems to be neutral as is required from the mediums. She is however yet to reveal any of the other talents that the previous mediums has. This might be very far fetched, but maybe she is the reason why they have mediums in the first place. From where they got the idea of a neutral mediator in a time where the two worlds where so separated that they tried to extinguish one and another from each side of the ravine.
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Post by idonotlikepeas on Dec 4, 2009 13:22:29 GMT
What woman could fail to fall for the old "I made my entire army of creepy wind-up toys as obsessed with you as I am" ploy?
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Post by Mezzaphor on Dec 4, 2009 13:28:55 GMT
Only a woman with a heart of stone.
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Post by eventyrian on Dec 4, 2009 14:00:52 GMT
I wonder if Annie is going to ask Coyote about Jeanne...that might clear something up...
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Post by Casey on Dec 4, 2009 14:13:12 GMT
to do that, it would have to dispose even of the human population - say, by transplanting their mentalities into android bodies and then disposing of the original flesh-and-blood bodies) Oh, but Todd, that's exactly what did happen. Jeanne was Diego's first experiment in taking a person's soul and putting it into an android body, and it killed her. The result, of course, was Jones. When the Court caught wind of it they put a stop to the program, but the robots have pined for the loss of Jeanne ever since. Oh wait, this isn't the Wild Spec thread! Nevermind though, I said this in the Wild Spec thread months ago...
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Post by rye on Dec 4, 2009 15:09:03 GMT
Somehow i pity Diego and his fruitless try to cheer Jeanne up. On the other hand i wish he would be more sensitive since she made it clear that it hurts her to see all the trees (and animals?) gone on the human side. What she needs isn´t another robot, but a cactus or something like that.
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Post by the bandit on Dec 4, 2009 15:41:55 GMT
Yes, a cactus to hug. That'll cheer her up. Do we really know yet whether Jeanne was neutral, or if she wishes she had chosen to stay on the forest side, or if she just misses some aspects of the forest? Also, painful words (and possible destruction of toys?!) in 3...
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Post by Casey on Dec 4, 2009 15:52:12 GMT
Diego is a great classic tragic character. He thinks he loves her, but in reality he loves his ideals more. His belief that technology is the savior of mankind, and that its "comforts" can overcome all other maladies (including, here, the love of nature and freedom), have blinded him to the emotional needs of the woman he claims to love, but in reality he is only infatuated with. Because of course, real love would involve caring about what was important to her, not just what was important to him.
Tom makes the best characters anywhere.
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Post by emjoseph on Dec 4, 2009 16:10:48 GMT
I'm loving the slowly evolving mystery here. The tension is rising like the music in Jaws, building to an explosion of exposition.
I'll bet that the bridge to to Wood was not constructed until after Jeanne's death, and was probably built as a direct result of said death.
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Post by wanderer on Dec 4, 2009 16:23:28 GMT
Nature and technology are not competing ideologies, where one has to choose one or the other. A person can want to live in civilization without wanting to destroy everything that's natural. Humans are not machines. Diego fails to see that. The ideology of the court, it seems, fails to see that. Ysengrin's ideology fails to see that.
There is a lot of failing to see, it seems, and I think it's hurting people.
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Post by TBeholder on Dec 4, 2009 16:24:18 GMT
So, she's not bored, but exasperated. Though still "far out of the bandwagon". I claim my half of a cookie! As a side note, we see the Court in an awkward moment of its childish tantrums.
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Post by Casey on Dec 4, 2009 16:35:47 GMT
Nature and technology are not competing ideologies, where one has to choose one or the other. A person can want to live in civilization without wanting to destroy everything that's natural. Humans are not machines. Diego fails to see that. The ideology of the court, it seems, fails to see that. Ysengrin's ideology fails to see that. There is a lot of failing to see, it seems, and I think it's hurting people. This is very well said.
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Post by jon77 on Dec 4, 2009 16:49:49 GMT
This page tells us a lot about the chronology.
Remember what coyote said - He scored the land, dividing forest and court. The court did something to the waters so nothing could cross. Later, a bridge was made on the court's terms. (Pages 491-493)
Diego was present at the formation of the court. This means that *all* the following happened within one generation:
1) The Bismuth seed creates the court. 2) Coyote & Ysengrin & Reynardine arrive 3) Coyote divides the court and the forest, creating the Annan waters.
My impression had always been that a long time passed between (1) and (2).
Maybe we'll find out how the bridge was created. Jeanne seems to be a good candidate for a human who "grows weary of their life... and when they shun their humanity, [Coyote] welcomes them [in the forest]"
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Post by canus on Dec 4, 2009 17:15:26 GMT
1) The Bismuth seed creates the court. 2) Coyote & Ysengrin & Reynardine arrive 3) Coyote divides the court and the forest, creating the Annan waters. Do ho ho. This is important. If Reynardine arrived at this time, he would probably KNOW Diego and Jeanne. And I don't know if this is important or not, but they seem to be looking at the Seed Bismuth in panel one (this has probably been discussed), so maybe them arriving was earlier than THAT. Maybe his "guess" about the Coward's Shrine was a bit more informed than assumed? Also, Diego says he has "instructed" them to love her, not necessarily programmed. Could just be a matter of diction though, I don't think some robot school would be teaching lessons on love to new robots.
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Post by romangoro on Dec 4, 2009 17:15:58 GMT
Only a woman with a heart of stone. Or a woman in love with someone else... Also, we know that she was not someone who "grows weary of their life... and when they shun their humanity, [Coyote] welcomes them [in the forest]" since she is neither there nor anywhere. Also also: is it established how far ago was all of this? Why no other medium has ever been 'contacted' by Jeanne before?
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Post by psibakaonna on Dec 4, 2009 17:50:21 GMT
Only a woman with a heart of stone. Or a woman in love with someone else... Also, we know that she was not someone who "grows weary of their life... and when they shun their humanity, [Coyote] welcomes them [in the forest]" since she is neither there nor anywhere. Also also: is it established how far ago was all of this? Why no other medium has ever been 'contacted' by Jeanne before? Hi, I joined just so I could share my opinion on this ^^;; I do agree that she's showing signs of shunning her humanity and was considering what if she was one of the first people to take the test and failed? Or possibly died on her way to arrange for the test to be made? It certainly seems to point to the bridge being created as a result of her death and from Coyote's explanation, it seems plausible that swapping sides had a factor in it's creation. Diego's "and we did nothing" could be a reaction to not taking her feelings into proper consideration, the beast-bot that robot fought being a representation of Diego's own short commings... Do tell me if you think I should have posted this in the wild spec thread as this probably is utter nonsense I'm typing. ^^;;
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