[2228] "I will give you a hint!"

[gpvos]

Sounds like a plan to me.

[pyradonis]

I imagine Loup is not very fond of dying. Maybe now he decides to just not find out what Coyote's plan was, so he will not die. The power to control the forest is not hidden outside anyway, as he now knows.

[madjack]

Well, I'm sure they're quite a good building team but I think we won't be freeing them anytime soon. - Loup, probably

[merry76]

I imagine dying is something Coyote is fascinated with. As with the ancient robot, who did not want to be reactivated (or he liked it, but wanted to be broken again), being immortal might give you the yearning for death.

This is getting very philosophical, but I guess that is why we are all here.

[machiavelli33]

Ahahaha - Loup has never been the one in control ever, has he? He never was ever going to be the one in control, was he?

Oh what a JAPE. What a GAFF, what a GOOF.

[coastal]

Coyote.

[Corvo]

It involves giving your strength to someone, so they can kill you. Big secret plan, and all that.

[dramastix]

Yeah it's definitely the memory of the tooth (as multiple others have suggested). I just hope he dies in a way that reunites us with Ysengrin, at least. Beginning to wonder if maybe Coyote really is dead.

[zaratustra]

Oh I know what you're thinkin' Loup

Is he gonna kill me too

The answer is I don't know

Killin' is a special thing

It's a special thing you do
when you want someone to die

[imaginaryfriend]

Nov 18, 2019 11:02:03 GMT dramastix said:

Yeah it's definitely the memory of the tooth (as multiple others have suggested). I just hope he dies in a way that reunites us with Ysengrin, at least. Beginning to wonder if maybe Coyote really is dead.

I think he's as dead as a being like Coyote can get, or at least he was before Coyote's mini-me appeared to observe the fallout of the plan and exposit some needed facts.

However, I treble down on my wildspec that "Loup" (who is pretty much Ys with Coyote's power and a makeover) is going to collapse back into Coyote sooner or later because [what Coyote said in today's comic and the previous one about Ysengrin's limitations]. The only question is if Ys will bail out in time to survive the crash, how much convincing it will take from the Antimonies, and how much he'll be changed afterwards.

[MarineMonarch]

Coyote really coming through for all of us huh

[ctso74]

Behold the wolf droppings. In the last panel, there are plenty.

If the death involves the Tooth, I wonder if the cutter will take on Ysengrin. If it's Renard, that could be a whole canine father-figure for the twins, wrapped up in a wolf stuffed-animal.
Considering Renard and Ysengrin come from the same stories, it'd be almost poetic.
If the cutter is someone else though...

[shadow3]

HYPOTHESIS: When Coyote gave Renard power, he made it too strong on purpose, in case Ysengrin ever gave in to aggression and ate Coyote. Renard can use his transfer ability to take over Loup's body, which kills the original owner of the body in the process.

Loup will realize too late, and Renard will become the new god of Gillitie, as Coyote planned as a contingency, for Renard was always balanced in his overall judgement of life.

The tooth knife may come into play as a way to temporarily disable Loup and give Renard the opening he needs to complete the forced transfer.

[fia]

Gosh, so many possibilities; but 80% of them I think do involve the Tooth.

I just wonder whether this Theomachy theme will end in more of a Nietzschean way or more of a Biblical, Hesiodic, or Wagnerian way. The previous Treatise suggested that there might be some kind of apocalyptic struggle, such as the earth burning and then being flooded before being repopulated – and Annie and Kat have always stood for fire and water.

Perhaps it'll just be a Big Fight between Annie and Kat, rather than the literal end of the world. Nonetheless it seems like something massive has been building in the tension between Annie and Kat, and to me it seems bigger than the 'Plan', whatever it is, that Coyote has made.

[Jota]

Nov 18, 2019 15:22:30 GMT shadow3 said:

HYPOTHESIS: When Coyote gave Renard power, he made it too strong on purpose, in case Ysengrin ever gave in to aggression and ate Coyote. Renard can use his transfer ability to take over Loup's body, which kills the original owner of the body in the process.

I wonder what that would mean for Annie's contract.

[mturtle7]

"But don't you see, Ysengrin, there WAS no magic in the lake water! the REAL magic was INSIDE YOU ALL ALONG!"

(I find it disgraceful that nobody has made this joke yet)

[Elysium]

I don't buy the Annie/Kat fight, it wouldn't make any sense, if there's any showdown it would be more likely to between Coy...whatever entity runs the forest and the mechagoddess Kat.

[Nnelg]

Calling it now: Loup is really Coyote pretending to be Ys pretending to be Loup pretending to be Coyote.

[Gemini Jim]

Nov 18, 2019 17:12:58 GMT mturtle7 said:

"But don't you see, Ysengrin, there WAS no magic in the lake water! the REAL magic was INSIDE YOU ALL ALONG!"

(I find it disgraceful that nobody has made this joke yet)

I probably would have, if I had looked at the comic earlier.



Right now, it sounds more like the plan is, "Death is so wonderful! You should try it! Come join me!"

[King Mir]

Coyote's being very cocky right now, and because of that I really don't want his plan to come to fruition. But I suspect in the end it will.

[Sky Schemer]

"and then you will die!"

We can only hope.

[shadow3]

Nov 18, 2019 15:39:34 GMT Jota said:

Nov 18, 2019 15:22:30 GMT shadow3 said:

HYPOTHESIS: When Coyote gave Renard power, he made it too strong on purpose, in case Ysengrin ever gave in to aggression and ate Coyote. Renard can use his transfer ability to take over Loup's body, which kills the original owner of the body in the process.

I wonder what that would mean for Annie's contract.

Annie would probably be like Johnny Thunder, or Aladdin in that case.

PHENOMENAL COSMIC POWER!!!

[jda]

In Spanish, there is a saying that goes "Curiosity killed the cat" (and I don't mean the Martian Rover). Well, in this case, the most obvious Chehkovite is now how long is going to take for Loupy Loops to agree to know the plan, even having for certain that´d mean its own erasure.

Wouldn't it be funny and philosophical that the secret that Coyote kept from Itself is, indeed..., you know , The Great Secret?

That'd be a mighty long foreshadowing jump, but that'd give another meaning of being 3 canine skulls on last panel...

[csj]

I can't believe that god dog literally just told him kys irl
coyote should never be allowed near a keyboard

[warrl]

Nov 18, 2019 8:23:50 GMT merry76 said:

I imagine dying is something Coyote is fascinated with. As with the ancient robot, who did not want to be reactivated (or he liked it, but wanted to be broken again), being immortal might give you the yearning for death.

This is getting very philosophical, but I guess that is why we are all here.

An excerpt from a fanfic in a different universe:

Nodaki finished the last preparations for his vision quest- using the ritualistic magic of a necromancer, he had painted the circle and rünes with innocent blood to summon a reference figure... sacrifices had breached the division between the world of spirit and the world of flesh-

Now it was a matter of who showed up-

A dark haired, blank eyed creature with shoulder spikes emerged from the circle. Her facial markings were that of a demi-goddess, her demeanor that of a seer, an oracle.

"Thymbris!... what a surprise!" his voice cold and humorless, "you can tell me my future, correct?"

"Who takes me from my duties? I cannot see beyond the veil of your circle... aha! You left your signet- Nodaki, what makes you summon me?"

"I have plans to be immortal- will they succeed? I need to know if I am to live forever,"

Thymbris went through her bolt of threads to find the one connected to he who was once supreme ruler of Kings- "... you have been busy... and destructive... my hands are soiled from touching your thread... have you no remorse for those who you destroy?"

"There is only power and those who seek it- all else is nothing... now, will I succeed or not?"

"I have heard that reasoning before, and never has good come of it. You think yourself wiser than the one who made you?"

"ANSWER MY QUESTION! YOUR ARE BOUND TO DO SO!"

"I am truly bound to help you, to turn you from your path. You seek that which is worse than death for yourself, but are too blind to understand it. Very well, on your head be it- You will indeed become immortal. You will never cross the Styx with Charon, nor know the company of those departed,"

"GOOD! Your verbal dancing may come to an end- go back from whence you came,"

She disappeared before she could add, "You shall wish for death before the Winter Solstice, and crave it through eternity..."

[Runningflame]

And the moral of the story is... "To thine own self be true!" Hmm... no. "Knowledge is power!" No, no... Ah! The moral is: "Do not be Loup in a forest with a dead Coyote!" Yes! That fits perfectly!

[liminal]

Since Coyote revealed that the lake water is another memory two pages ago, Loup's head symbol is missing a piece, as if to emphasize that having 'more' is already making him 'less'.

[imaginaryfriend]

I think Coyote's desire to die was less like a human's, even a long-lived and decrepit human's, and more like a human desire for adventure tourism. He wanted to go somewhere he'd never been and try to exceed his limitations. Death was his Mt. Everest; Ys and Ren were his sherpas, carrying things for him that he couldn't make his journey with. Coyote's mini-me is apparently his way of taking a selfie on the summit. Antimonies' role has yet to be fully revealed; she was instrumental in securing sherpa #2 (Ys) and if nothing else will bear witness to his mighty deed/cunning plan and likely spread word of same.

Also: Some people engage in adventure tourism to feel like they're really alive. If he can die then that proves that he really existed, yes?

[theonethatgotaway]

Coyote to Loup:

[migrantworker]

Nov 18, 2019 8:19:39 GMT pyradonis said:

I imagine Loup is not very fond of dying. Maybe now he decides to just not find out what Coyote's plan was, so he will not die. The power to control the forest is not hidden outside anyway, as he now knows.

I wonder if this would be enough to keep Loup alive if he just happens to follow the plan unknowingly. It is a wonderful plan, after all. This may mean that it just makes sense to follow it, dying part notwithstanding.