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Post by Igniz on Oct 18, 2019 7:47:42 GMT
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 18, 2019 8:55:10 GMT
So. The grass is still greener on the other side.
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Oct 18, 2019 9:24:58 GMT
"So, how did Wandering Eye enjoy her trip to a geostationary spot? Send her my regards."
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Post by Igniz on Oct 18, 2019 9:56:06 GMT
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Post by theonethatgotaway on Oct 18, 2019 12:30:08 GMT
Oooh do I ever. Didn't we solve that one by saying "Loup is magic, magic cancels laws of physics"? |
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Post by coastal on Oct 18, 2019 13:08:10 GMT
Is it just me, or is it still really weird that the gorge, the Annan Waters, and the bridge are just... GONE...?
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 18, 2019 13:20:36 GMT
Loup: "Oh, they're here! How should I present myself, as to ingratiate myself with them, and ensure they're willing to help me? Ah, yes. The 'Creepy Chuckle'. Loup, you suave genius, you've done it again!"
This should be the first time Courtnie has had a real talk with the Creepy Canine. I wonder, if he'll treat her different than Frannie, and what would that mean? I doubt they'll get any answers about Annie's 'separation', but maybe some clues.
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Post by DonDueed on Oct 18, 2019 13:57:22 GMT
Gotta hand it to Loup, though -- he made a nice even transition between the (former) Court and Forest sides of the (former) gorge when he pulled them together.
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Post by csj on Oct 18, 2019 14:22:17 GMT
Rightness status: Miss Clavel
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Post by Gemini Jim on Oct 18, 2019 14:49:46 GMT
Is it just me, or is it still really weird that the gorge, the Annan Waters, and the bridge are just... GONE...? Now that you mention it, it is one of those Fridge Logic things. If the Annan Waters is a real river, and not just a moat, with a source or headwaters, you would expect the water that was diverted from the gorge to have to go... somewhere. Or maybe it's just magic and it doesn't have to make sense. |
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Post by caber on Oct 18, 2019 15:04:46 GMT
Gemini JimOh wow, so the court might be in the area of our world's Scotland? Neat. As an aside, I got a good laugh out of the fact that one of the sources for the real world River Annan is named, "Devil's Beef Tub."
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Post by mturtle7 on Oct 18, 2019 17:14:14 GMT
Is it just me, or is it still really weird that the gorge, the Annan Waters, and the bridge are just... GONE...? Definitely not just you. The Annan waters have been such a ridiculously iconic part of the comic's landscape for SO LONG, and now they're just gone forever. Personally, I had an awkward moment of wondering why on Earth Tom had skipped over the river-crossing scene on this page, before I finally remembered after seeing his comment. Visually, it might actually be a more striking change for us readers than any ruined buildings in the Court after Loup's attack. |
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Post by Gemini Jim on Oct 18, 2019 19:12:12 GMT
Forest grass must be a different variety than Court grass. There's still a definite boundary after six months.
Of course, grass has to be mowed, either by machine or grazing animals or laser cows; or else the grass could easily reach up to Annie's ankles.
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Post by netherdan on Oct 18, 2019 20:51:10 GMT
It looks like you missed your chance to make the actual page thread by trying to sabotage someone else's title instead of referencing the comic page. Apparently there isn't a thread title uniqueness constraint. Hehe! This was the original page thread, then Igniz deleted his post and made a new one with the title it has, which on proboards just deletes your post and leaves the rest of the thread there. Fun Fact: You can actually change the title for a thread you make by editing the first post and changing the "subject" field at the top. Let's all just agree to let that other thread sink and take my shame away with it. I'm sorry for the undeserved harsh comment soulofthereaver ! Forest grass must be a different variety than Court grass. There's still a definite boundary after six months. Of course, grass has to be mowed, either by machine or grazing animals or laser cows; or else the grass could easily reach up to Annie's ankles. Green Annie has been shifted by six months from blue Annie's perspective but the gap closing happened upon green's return which happened not a long time ago, around a month or so depending on how you interpret the time skips in between, but not much longer since there wasn't even time enough for the ground patches in the closed gap to settle and, as you noted, the grass didn't start growing over each side and fusing in a gradient transition |
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Post by Eily on Oct 18, 2019 22:21:19 GMT
... Why is Loup waiting for the next page before revealing himself? I thought it might be because of Courtnie who technically never met him, but she did see him in the flower message already...
My guess for the two shades of green is that through a very harsh and violent selection, even the grass learned not to cross the Annan waters and their ghost. And it hasn't caught on yet.
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Post by Igniz on Oct 19, 2019 0:42:08 GMT
Fun Fact: You can actually change the title for a thread you make by editing the first post and changing the "subject" field at the top. That was what I did first, in fact. Except that, being the first post in the thread, I opted for it to look clean and don't display the "Last Edit" message, hence why I created another, new one.  Now, moving onto the main topic... Green Annie has been shifted by six months from blue Annie's perspective but the gap closing happened upon green's return which happened not a long time ago, around a month or so depending on how you interpret the time skips in between, but not much longer since there wasn't even time enough for the ground patches in the closed gap to settle and, as you noted, the grass didn't start growing over each side and fusing in a gradient transition Indeed. Loup made the passage easier just as the greener Annie was going back to the Court, around a month ago (two months max). Regarding the Annan Waters, either the river is now a subterranean one, or it just vanished into the Ether because - as others have already pointed out - godly powers and magic can alter the fabric of reality and defy the laws of nature. |
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Post by migrantworker on Oct 19, 2019 15:10:53 GMT
Green Annie has been shifted by six months from blue Annie's perspective but the gap closing happened upon green's return which happened not a long time ago, around a month or so depending on how you interpret the time skips in between, but not much longer since there wasn't even time enough for the ground patches in the closed gap to settle and, as you noted, the grass didn't start growing over each side and fusing in a gradient transition Indeed. Loup made the passage easier just as the greener Annie was going back to the Court, around a month ago (two months max). Regarding the Annan Waters, either the river is now a subterranean one, or it just vanished into the Ether because - as others have already pointed out - godly powers and magic can alter the fabric of reality and defy the laws of nature. Also, which season is it now in the Gunnerverse? Annies are wearing rather light clothes, which implies a mild temperature, and tres in the forest are shown being in leaf. Could it be one of those pleasant days in the autumn, when grass already grows slower due to less daylight hours? |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 19, 2019 16:24:42 GMT
Is it just me, or is it still really weird that the gorge, the Annan Waters, and the bridge are just... GONE...? Now that you mention it, it is one of those Fridge Logic things. If the Annan Waters is a real river, and not just a moat, with a source or headwaters, you would expect the water that was diverted from the gorge to have to go... somewhere. Or maybe it's just magic and it doesn't have to make sense. I imagine the river will flow through its old riverbed now, since the ravine was only created by Coyote and the Annan must have flown a different route before. Or there was no river before and Loup just put it back into hammerspace where Coyote had taken it from.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 20, 2019 18:43:49 GMT
Or there was no river before and Loup just put it back into hammerspace where Coyote had taken it from. Underground rivers are a thing. |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 20, 2019 18:59:03 GMT
Or there was no river before and Loup just put it back into hammerspace where Coyote had taken it from. Underground rivers are a thing. I know, I just...hm...did not read it from the pictures, even though it was not shown whether the ravine was closed completely, you can see water splashing from the closing gap, so it must have been at least partially displaced.
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Post by netherdan on Oct 21, 2019 14:50:23 GMT
I imagine the river will flow through its old riverbed now, since the ravine was only created by Coyote and the Annan must have flown a different route before. Or there was no river before and Loup just put it back into hammerspace where Coyote had taken it from.
Also... Underground rivers are a thing. I know, I just...hm...did not read it from the pictures, even though it was not shown whether the ravine was closed completely, you can see water splashing from the closing gap, so it must have been at least partially displaced. You can say that Coyote made the ravine and the river and you can also say that they were both formed due to natural erosion of the flowing water, and both the statements would be equally true. If so there shouldn't be an old riverbed from which it had flown before. I must confess that I'm struggling to maintain this hypothesis because that would imply that the closing of the ravine should in theory be explainable through a natural seismic activity but even if the closed gap had had six months to regrow the lost grass, it shouldn't be almost perfectly level and there should be an extensive valley where the ravine was... Then again, looking at these first and third panels they seem to be respectively descending and ascending through some kind of valley and I don't recall there being a bird eye view of the closed gap for us to confirm or dismiss the theory! |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 21, 2019 18:29:35 GMT
The interesting thing about that: Jones merely says "it is not a lie". However, a statement can still be wrong, lying just includes that the individual making said statement knows it to be wrong. Jones' theory could very well be: The stories flowing into the Ether created the divine creature Coyote who remembers having put the stars in the sky, because that is what the stories say. And other powerful creatures from around the world make the same claim, but Jones knows them to be wrong, having seen the stars long before they were supposedly put in the sky. But it is not a lie, because each one of these creatures believes it to be true. If Jones was of the opinion that each of these creatures really had put the stars in the sky, and they would not contradict each other, would she not say "and it is true" instead of "and it is not a lie"? What those creatures do after they have been brought into being, though, is another thing. |
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Post by netherdan on Oct 22, 2019 3:14:33 GMT
The interesting thing about that: Jones merely says "it is not a lie". However, a statement can still be wrong, lying just includes that the individual making said statement knows it to be wrong. Jones' theory could very well be: The stories flowing into the Ether created the divine creature Coyote who remembers having put the stars in the sky, because that is what the stories say. And other powerful creatures from around the world make the same claim, but Jones knows them to be wrong, having seen the stars long before they were supposedly put in the sky. But it is not a lie, because each one of these creatures believes it to be true. If Jones was of the opinion that each of these creatures really had put the stars in the sky, and they would not contradict each other, would she not say "and it is true" instead of "and it is not a lie"? What those creatures do after they have been brought into being, though, is another thing. You have a point. But I have one too. En garde! I'm the next page, still following Coyote's thought experiment, she propose that she herself could be a product of the human mind combined with the ether, and she left palpable evidence of her time on the planet long before there were humans to "imagine" her. If this is indeed true, then either all those mythical beings actually and paradoxically placed the stars in the sky while they were already there or Jones' memories of them already being there could also be fabricated by the ether. Anyway, I kinda defeated my own point here because if it's the human mind that's affecting the world here then there doesn't need to be an "explanation by natural processes" for the ravine closing as much as there needn't to be for a fingerprint on the moon or a footprint in the fossil record. I'm bad at fencing... |
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 22, 2019 11:09:58 GMT
The interesting thing about that: Jones merely says "it is not a lie". However, a statement can still be wrong, lying just includes that the individual making said statement knows it to be wrong. Jones' theory could very well be: The stories flowing into the Ether created the divine creature Coyote who remembers having put the stars in the sky, because that is what the stories say. And other powerful creatures from around the world make the same claim, but Jones knows them to be wrong, having seen the stars long before they were supposedly put in the sky. But it is not a lie, because each one of these creatures believes it to be true. If Jones was of the opinion that each of these creatures really had put the stars in the sky, and they would not contradict each other, would she not say "and it is true" instead of "and it is not a lie"? What those creatures do after they have been brought into being, though, is another thing. You have a point. But I have one too. En garde! I'm the next page, still following Coyote's thought experiment, she propose that she herself could be a product of the human mind combined with the ether, and she left palpable evidence of her time on the planet long before there were humans to "imagine" her. If this is indeed true, then either all those mythical beings actually and paradoxically placed the stars in the sky while they were already there or Jones' memories of them already being there could also be fabricated by the ether. Anyway, I kinda defeated my own point here because if it's the human mind that's affecting the world here then there doesn't need to be an "explanation by natural processes" for the ravine closing as much as there needn't to be for a fingerprint on the moon or a footprint in the fossil record. I'm bad at fencing... Indeed, I left out any thoughts about Jones herself being a creation of human stories (guard lowered!). However Jones seems to be a special case anyway, not being connected to the Ether and apparently not even knowing any human stories that could have created her, even though she observed the whole of human history (parry!). By the way, the ravine closing was sort of explained (sidestep!) - the roots growing from one side to the other pulled the ground together (feint!) - which is unusual but to my limited knowledge not impossible (thrust!) - although not in such short a time (Touché!) |
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