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Post by liminal on Oct 12, 2018 7:08:32 GMT
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Post by faiiry on Oct 12, 2018 7:09:01 GMT
Annie has the bind on her wrist what does this mean I am freaking out.
Also, the treatises have always been beautiful, but after about 10 minutes of consideration, I think this is my favorite one.
Edit: I also like how each "side" has their own version of Romeo and Juliet(te).
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Post by jda on Oct 12, 2018 7:16:05 GMT
I declare Interpretation Season
... OPEN!
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Post by jda on Oct 12, 2018 7:18:37 GMT
What is the peacock feather and the golden cube in Kat penchant?
Who are the people on the boat on Annie's sea?
What do the needles refer to?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 12, 2018 7:21:11 GMT
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Post by fjodorii on Oct 12, 2018 7:21:16 GMT
Also, the treatises have always been beautiful, but after about 10 minutes of consideration, I think this is my favorite one.
Was going to say the same. This is an absolutely beautiful page.
Anyone know what is the little box-like thing the Kat is wearing next to the feather? And I don't get the ants either. Lots of food for thought again.
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Post by fjodorii on Oct 12, 2018 7:22:14 GMT
Who are the people on the boat on Annie's sea?
I would guess Jeanne and her lover?
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Post by jda on Oct 12, 2018 7:22:19 GMT
Is that a Buddhist theme around the egg?
And what is the egg?
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Post by jda on Oct 12, 2018 7:26:15 GMT
Tom, on the comments section :
"The story is still going strong and there is plenty of tale left for me to tell" would mean that it is still.on the middle part?
Also, he mentions a full year of comic at least. So, how many pages average would that mean?
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Post by madjack on Oct 12, 2018 7:29:59 GMT
I declare Interpretation Season ... OPEN! Ahem. Now, first glance and all... I'd think the binding is symbolic, it goes with her very Ys-like outfit: She's Loup's new enforcer, same as Ysengrin was to Coyote and is under his thumb like Ys was. She's holding what looks like Coyote's... Essence? His eyes only ever take on that look when he brings his powers out to show off, so I can't think of what else it could be. Also not sure what the skeletal hand is, her Father or Loup. Kat is a bit easier for some of it, the arrow is clearly visible on that sash thing, and I'd hazard a guess the feather might represent Paz? The chain could too, seeing as that looks like a bird or something on one end of it, and Paz' surname translates to Chain-White in English. The cube with the crack on it is probably something to do with her etheric form, seeing as it's on her face there. Edit: It could well be her work with Anthony too, looks almost the same. As to the egg: Going to guess it's Robot or, more likely seeing as it's still hatching, Arthur's new body. Kat is dressed in a similar way to the one Robot envisioned her on this page. The heart she's carrying (very maternally) is over her womb as well, so she and Annie could be being portrayed as the joint mothers of a completely new form of life, despite being polar opposites living in completely different worlds now. |
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 12, 2018 7:32:32 GMT
There was a similar feather, possibly peacock, in Treatise 5. Also: The fifth had a cluster of four yellow stars to the left of the moon; this one's got a cluster of four yellow stars to the left of Kat (one of which she's chained to) but also one additional yellow star over Kat's left shoulder and a total of seven purple stars. |
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Post by speedwell on Oct 12, 2018 7:33:35 GMT
The "cube with the crack in it" hanging from Kat's girdle (it's called a girdle) is the face of the Broken Man from Coyote's tales.
Whatever the light in Annie's torso might be, it corresponds to the robotic/alchemical symbol of the heart/life that Kat is holding. I think it harks back to Jeanne's mention of Parley's "gleaming heart", though it's far too early to assume that Annie is going to pair bond with anyone. Annie's not really "holding" it; notice her clothing is open at that point.
The symbols on each of their throats means, I think, that they are both coming into the full sense and power of their mediumships and can meaningfully speak for Forest and what I'm calling "Tech Alchemy" respectively. (Incidentally we have never fully explored the fact that there are three symbols in opposition, Forest, Court, and Creator, and never fully explored the Robot as Golem theme alchemically.)
Note Juliette on the ladder, performing a sort of escape with what I assume (but should not assume) is Arthur. All we can reliably assume from the presence of the ladder is that it's an ascent of some sort and need not necessarily mean an ascent into humanity. I do think they will end up crossing over into the Forest as the ladder placement implies.
My hunch is that the starfield represents Scorpio, but this is just a hunch and there are not quite enough stars to make the call.
Edit: I just noticed the moon, as well as the star, is chained to Kat as if by a leash.
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Oct 12, 2018 7:51:27 GMT
Didn't notice it at first but the line of ants is marching away from the anthill. I'll guess that's a reference to the Court being largely evacuated.
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Post by speedwell on Oct 12, 2018 8:03:19 GMT
As for the egg at the center, it's literally the jewel in the lotus, the mani in the padma. of the Buddhist mantra Om mani padme hum. The mantra refers to the four-armed (which doesn't mean two people in the original, but I think it does here) bodhisattva Avalokitesvara, representative of compassion. For several reasons I think the egg symbol refers to Annie and Kat midwifing, as it were, a new world out of the understanding and cooperation between the Forest and Court.
On this subject I can say no better than the current Dalai Lama as quoted in Wikipedia:
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Post by faek on Oct 12, 2018 8:04:35 GMT
Ah nice as usual.
Where's Reynardine ?
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Post by foresterr on Oct 12, 2018 8:43:30 GMT
Sort of wondering if Kat is wearing the Moon and stars, or is chained to them. Is her faith in science limiting her somehow?
And seeing Annie in Ys's duds, makes me think if at some point the girls are going to, you know, take over.
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Post by pyradonis on Oct 12, 2018 10:26:34 GMT
Ah nice as usual. Where's Reynardine ? That's what I was asking throughout the whole book. He barely featured in it. Didn't notice it at first but the line of ants is marching away from the anthill. I'll guess that's a reference to the Court being largely evacuated. Good catch! Loup certainly sees them as no more than ants (it also reminds of Coyote taking the body of an ant and living its life). Has anyone got an idea about the plants coming out of the crack in the earth, and the sharp pointy pillars coming out of the water? |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Oct 12, 2018 10:38:21 GMT
Ah nice as usual. Where's Reynardine ? That's what I was asking throughout he whole book. He barely featured in it. Didn't notice it at first but the line of ants is marching away from the anthill. I'll guess that's a reference to the Court being largely evacuated. Good catch! Loup certainly sees them as no more than ants (it also reminds of Coyote taking the body of an ant and living its life). Has anyone got an idea about the plants coming out of the crack in the earth, and the sharp pointy pillars coming out of the water? My guesses are... - the plants coming out of the crack in the earth represents the Forest invading the Court - the pillars remind me of Anthony's etheric bone fingers My additional two cents... 1. I think I see connections to what has already happened in the comic in everything except the chain connecting Kat to the moon and a star. Is it foreshadowing? 2. Kat in her dress, so gap, much moe! |
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Post by todd on Oct 12, 2018 12:38:42 GMT
Didn't notice it at first but the line of ants is marching away from the anthill. I'll guess that's a reference to the Court being largely evacuated. I wonder if there might be a link also to the "Coyote" spin-off book (those who've read it will know what I'm referring to). I'm still surprised that Tom did the Treatise Page on a Friday; that raises the question of where the page with Tea announcing a two-week break is going to go. Will that be next Monday's page? |
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Post by Per on Oct 12, 2018 12:43:54 GMT
Tom, on the comments section : "The story is still going strong and there is plenty of tale left for me to tell" would mean that it is still.on the middle part? Also, he mentions a full year of comic at least. So, how many pages average would that mean? I interpret "plenty of tale" to mean at least three volumes, maybe four or five. If it were one he'd say he's wrapping it up. Even two would just be bringing everything to an end in a less than frantic pace. My hunch is that the starfield represents Scorpio, but this is just a hunch and there are not quite enough stars to make the call. Since the stars don't align with the lines, I tried identifying a constellation from just the lines, but came up short. It'd have been fun it it was Lupus or Columba, but it doesn't seem to match either as commonly drawn. |
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Post by clover on Oct 12, 2018 13:00:56 GMT
I think the stars, feather, and moon are alchemical symbols representing that i'm still dreading the fact that Gunnerkrigg, as a story, will necessarily come to a resolution and an end.
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Post by Zox Tomana on Oct 12, 2018 13:27:36 GMT
Didn't notice it at first but the line of ants is marching away from the anthill. I'll guess that's a reference to the Court being largely evacuated. I wonder if there might be a link also to the "Coyote" spin-off book (those who've read it will know what I'm referring to). Most likely is, given the content of said book. As far as Kat's decorations, I'm pretty sure they're Jeanne's arrow (duh), Alistair's feather, and a representation of everybody's favorite dad (no! not Ysengrin! the other one! NO! Not Rey! The OTHER other one!) |
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Post by ctso74 on Oct 12, 2018 13:35:37 GMT
The Moon/Star chain, that's mimicking Annie's wrist binding, is very disconcerting. Would Kat give her right hand to help the robots evolve... literally. It would mirror Tony, in an odd way. I think the stars, feather, and moon are alchemical symbols representing that i'm still dreading the fact that Gunnerkrigg, as a story, will necessarily come to a resolution and an end. I hear you. It makes me excited and sad, at the same time. |
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Post by ebaaus on Oct 12, 2018 13:39:03 GMT
I must have this.
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Post by saardvark on Oct 12, 2018 14:04:57 GMT
so many puzzles...
The skeletal finger at left would seem to be Antony's etheric bone finger, but then the "needle-towers" sort of do to, and its unlikely Tom would symbolize the same thing twice. Could the needle towers represent the chimneys of the ether extraction factory? One of them reaches all the way behind Kat to ... reach the forest side of the Annan gorge (if that is what the crack is)? Both sides of the crack are barren and lifeless, a rather ominous sign ... of the end result of the ether experiments of the Court? There is a lot of departing/fleeing going on... Juliette & Arthur, Jeanne & green-dude, ants/Court-citizens. There is less living nature here than in other treatises (some Annan vines and a patch on a lonely isolated island. Kat's connection to the moon and star (Antares in Scorpio?) might point to her sources of strength/energy - moon (alchemically symbolic of the feminine/creative) and star/Scorpio (alchemically symbolic of separation, astrologically of passion, seeking for truth/research). Just as Annie's strength/energy flows from the fire she is rooted in. So combining Kat (creativity, passion for separate/"monastic" research) and Annie's fire, together they forge new life to rescue the dying of the old? (going a bit wildspec here...)
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Post by Jota on Oct 12, 2018 14:23:28 GMT
The skeletal finger immediately made me think of the finger of Death. I wonder if it represents Annie's agreement with the psychopomps?
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Post by madjack on Oct 12, 2018 14:26:05 GMT
Kat's feather uses nearly the same palette as the tic-tocs.
Edit: Wildspec time: Kat does indeed make the tic-tocs.. But they're simple-minded animals, so she needs Paz to communicate with them.
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Post by sleepcircle on Oct 12, 2018 14:30:52 GMT
beautiful. composition is not as compact and well-organized as it has been in other treatises, but the depiction of the picture elements, and the colours, are fantastic.
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Post by yinglung on Oct 12, 2018 15:23:58 GMT
Starting with the background: Ocean vs Earth is most likely the aether vs the mundane. You have Jeanne and her lover transitioning into the afterlife, which psychopomps claim helps the world turn. You also have Annie's fire, the forest, and Anthony's bone needles on that side, all of which partake in magic. Interestingly, the bone needles are between Annie and the forest, possibly indicating that Anthony will be guarding Annie from the forest in some way, and will be dabbling in the aethereal. On the earth side, people have already mentioned the ants. Much like Anthony's bone needles, the plants growing out of the crack indicate an influence from the other side. However, they are much weaker, and touch Annie's fingerprint on the moon. Combined with Annie's new outfit, this might be indicating that Annie is the forest's interface with the mundane. Coyote brought the moon down, but Annie was the one to make her mark on it. The sprouting in the court is because of Annie's removal of the barrier. Juliette and Arthur climbing the ladder into the aether is probably a reference to Jacob's ladder, which is the shape of DNA. Considering this ladder is more normal, it may be implying that while Juliette is escaping the hard reality of the court/mundane, Arthur will not be given true biological life, but the nearest robotic equivalent. The constellation, near as I can tell, its Bootes, the herdsman. (also ox driver, bear hunter, bear protector) www.go-astronomy.com/constellations.php?Name=BootesNotably, Kat's head is on top of Arcturus, the brightest star in the constellation. From wikipedia: It's not clear how much of the myth is relevant, but it certainly is ominous. The girls and their accessories have been suitably analyzed before, so I will ignore them for now. In the treatises, Kat's outfits either match or contrast Annie's. Here, where Annie has taken on a male, militaristic uniform of the forest, Kat is wearing a more feminine dress, perhaps romantic/reminiscent of Jeanne's. I believe the bone finger acting as a hair clip for Annie is the influence of the psychopomps, allowing Annie to see clearly without obscuring aethereal interference. However, it is also holding back the part of her hair that is flame, perhaps indicating that her potential is being held back, or that her fire elemental nature is being restrained by her mortal form. It's also worth noting that Juliette and Arthur will have to pass through this line in order to complete their ascent. This may be foreshadowing their deaths, and perhaps that robots have souls. Annie's outfit vs binding is interesting, indicating a love and identification with Ysengrin, while also a fear of Coyote and perhaps Loup. Kat's binding is unclear, As the moon is often used as a symbol of unattainable beauty, and the stars are similarly distant hopes/wishes. And yet, Annie's fingerprint on the moon undermines that meaning. I think the binding here is indicating that Kat is still very much an optimistic dreamer, whose wishes may be attainable in cooperation with Annie. Interestingly, as the ladder passes through Annie's influence, the bone needles pass through Kat's, possibly indicating her grounding them in science, lending the strength of the mundane. Lastly, the egg. I agree that is most likely a new world order, straddling the mundane and the aethereal, the twilight between the sun and moon. It is interesting that the arms that are bound are the ones that reach out to sustain this new life. Kat brings her hopes and dreams, and Annie... perhaps that binding is not one of fear, but of coyote's secrets/power. After all, she received it to make sure she did not speak of the tooth. Considering other secrets Coyote has told her, especially regarding the nature of aethereal beings, that does seem likely. |
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Post by faiiry on Oct 12, 2018 16:13:36 GMT
Don’t know if this especially means anything, but the shooting star behind Arthur seems to be almost impaling him through the head, sort of like how Ayilu was by Jeanne. Then again, it might just be a coincidence.
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