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Post by Gotolei on Jul 24, 2017 7:00:46 GMT
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Post by wombat on Jul 24, 2017 7:04:43 GMT
Well, that was probably one of the more dramatic ways to say that. Not the most dramatic, mind you, but dramatic nonetheless.
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Post by youwiththeface on Jul 24, 2017 7:05:17 GMT
That's an interesting way to put it, Anja. Why was that worse than brainwashing?
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Post by imaginaryfriend on Jul 24, 2017 7:06:40 GMT
That's an interesting way to put it, Anja. Why was that worse than brainwashing? Falling in love with someone who has big-time issues is a downer.  |
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Post by faiiry on Jul 24, 2017 7:06:43 GMT
TELL US, ANJA! This is what we've been waiting for since...I can't find the page, but the one where Eggers whips out a knife with Surma's name on it. Like ten years at least. Here we go. Ties, Pt. 2. I am PUMPED.
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Post by crater on Jul 24, 2017 7:07:08 GMT
Love? That sick son of a......
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Post by arf on Jul 24, 2017 7:08:28 GMT
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Post by faiiry on Jul 24, 2017 7:12:23 GMT
So from Anja's foreboding tone and her statement that falling in love was "much worse" than brainwashing, I'm not sure what to think. The only thing I can come up with is that Tony and Surma went behind Eglamore's back and hurt his feelings, but I'm sure the actual story will be a lot worse, and more inventive, than that. Wow, I can't WAIT.
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Post by bedinsis on Jul 24, 2017 7:16:35 GMT
Last chapter ended with a conversation about to start. This chapter also ends with a conversation about to start. The chapter before that was a lot of conversation between Annie and Red.
Getting a little tight with the conversation chapters. In particular since this chapter featured Kat and Mr. Carver bonding/working together as something that we're meant to infer as happened rather than seeing the scenes play out.
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Post by Eversist on Jul 24, 2017 8:10:10 GMT
TELL US, ANJA! This is what we've been waiting for since...I can't find the page, but the one where Eggers whips out a knife with Surma's name on it. Like ten years at least. Here we go. Ties, Pt. 2. I am PUMPED. I would say even as far back as the page where Annie falls off the bridge (end of chapter 2 or 3 I think). Same. |
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Post by arf on Jul 24, 2017 8:15:37 GMT
TELL US, ANJA! This is what we've been waiting for since...I can't find the page, but the one where Eggers whips out a knife with Surma's name on it. Like ten years at least. Here we go. Ties, Pt. 2. I am PUMPED. So-ooo. What might be on the extra page? (Gotta be something about Arthur and Juliet, bodyshopping?) |
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Post by keef on Jul 24, 2017 8:19:15 GMT
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Post by aline on Jul 24, 2017 8:22:42 GMT
Anja Donlan aka "Oh god this damn topic is taking my life force and I'm never getting it back" The drama must have been epic for her to say it like this. Can you imagine Anja having to deal with everyone shouting and crying for months (years), wishing they were all Cool Beans? From Anja's point of view, Surma and Tony's marriage resulted in Anja's best friend deciding to never see her again and go die slowly in a faraway hospital. Said best friend never bothered to say good bye or explain why she was cutting off all ties with Anja. Anja only found out Surma had had a daughter and was dead when she saw Annie's admission papers. Even ignoring all other circumstances, there's quite enough for Anja to be heartbroken about.
To Anja, it was worse, because all those things (plus those we don't yet know about) were Surma's decision. She wasn't coerced, manipulated or brainwashed. All of it was Surma's betrayal.
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Post by Trillium on Jul 24, 2017 9:08:49 GMT
TELL US, ANJA! This is what we've been waiting for since...I can't find the page, but the one where Eggers whips out a knife with Surma's name on it. Like ten years at least. Here we go. Ties, Pt. 2. I am PUMPED. So-ooo. What might be on the extra page? (Gotta be something about Arthur and Juliet, bodyshopping?) Yes, we've waited. We've waited patiently for years. What, wait...we're not about to hope on a two week hiatus are we? Man, I hope not. |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 24, 2017 10:19:39 GMT
Anja Donlan aka "Oh god this damn topic is taking my life force and I'm never getting it back" The drama must have been epic for her to say it like this. Can you imagine Anja having to deal with everyone shouting and crying for months (years), wishing they were all Cool Beans? From Anja's point of view, Surma and Tony's marriage resulted in Anja's best friend deciding to never see her again and go die slowly in a faraway hospital. Said best friend never bothered to say good bye or explain why she was cutting off all ties with Anja. Anja only found out Surma had had a daughter and was dead when she saw Annie's admission papers. Even ignoring all other circumstances, there's quite enough for Anja to be heartbroken about.
To Anja, it was worse, because all those things (plus those we don't yet know about) were Surma's decision. She wasn't coerced, manipulated or brainwashed. All of it was Surma's betrayal.
maybe a characteristic of fire elementals is if they (or their host) fall in love, they are compelled to reproduce. Which makes their love fatally tragic as well. |
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Post by Jelly Jellybean on Jul 24, 2017 10:33:05 GMT
I choose to believe the balloon was drawn by Kat when she was little. Kat also drew a lot of schematics and geometric proofs at the time, but Anja choose to frame and hang the balloon picture to encourage Kat to also be a kid. |
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Post by aline on Jul 24, 2017 13:09:38 GMT
maybe a characteristic of fire elementals is if they (or their host) fall in love, the are compelled to reproduce. Which makes their love fatally tragic as well. I don't believe that. There would be no point in Tony's mountains of guilt if it hadn't been a choice. He promised Surma he could keep her alive, which means he had the time to think about it, which means they discussed it. It also means Surma wasn't begging him for a baby, but rather they took a decision to have a kid after he told her he would be able to save her. No, I'm pretty sure Anja means that in a more subtle way. |
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Post by crater on Jul 24, 2017 13:23:09 GMT
So from Anja's foreboding tone and her statement that falling in love was "much worse" than brainwashing, I'm not sure what to think. The only thing I can come up with is that Tony and Surma went behind Eglamore's back and hurt his feelings, but I'm sure the actual story will be a lot worse, and more inventive, than that. Wow, I can't WAIT. always assumed it was because Eggs refused to impregnate Surma knowing what would happen. So Surma broke up with him then fell in love with Tony. Tony knew what would happen to Surma but he was arrogant enough to think he could stop it. |
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Post by ctso74 on Jul 24, 2017 13:40:48 GMT
Siddeeeeeell! No. No. I'll just wait here patiently. It's not like I was wanting to hear more. That's an interesting way to put it, Anja. Why was that worse than brainwashing? Falling in love with someone who has big-time issues is a downer. But, which one's issues? The occasionally manipulative one with a fatal "condition" tied with sex, or the angsty driven schizoid? They both had their baggage. Maybe that drove them together a bit. Looking forward to it. |
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Post by fia on Jul 24, 2017 13:47:43 GMT
I am super looking forward to shipping Surma x Tony after all these shenanigans get explained..!
Although let's be real it'll be hard to beat Anja x Donald or Robot x Shadow.
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Post by jda on Jul 24, 2017 14:19:26 GMT
Cool Beans! That'd be an amazing title for a Videogame or miniseries  |
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Post by jda on Jul 24, 2017 14:22:25 GMT
But, which one's issues? The occasionally manipulative one with a fatal "condition" tied with sex, or the angsty driven schizoid? They both had their baggage. Maybe that drove them together a bit. Looking forward to it. Sorry, Eggers. You're not psycopath enough for her. |
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Post by ohthatone on Jul 24, 2017 15:38:23 GMT
With such a dramatic response, I think Anja wasn't fully on board with her friend's decision. I wasn't really into the idea that she broke up with Jimmy Jims because he refused to father a child, simply because of the page where he didn't understand why they broke up. But now I'm wondering if the question wasn't "why did she choose Tony over me", but why did she choose certain death over me?
If Surma ever communicated this to Annie, accidentally or otherwise, it would explain the seemingly undeserved beef Annie has with Eglamore. He never wanted her to exist. |
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Post by fish on Jul 24, 2017 16:30:34 GMT
maybe a characteristic of fire elementals is if they (or their host) fall in love, the are compelled to reproduce. Which makes their love fatally tragic as well. I don't believe that. There would be no point in Tony's mountains of guilt if it hadn't been a choice. He promised Surma he could keep her alive, which means he had the time to think about it, which means they discussed it. It also means Surma wasn't begging him for a baby, but rather they took a decision to have a kid after he told her he would be able to save her. No, I'm pretty sure Anja means that in a more subtle way. I don't know, I don't buy this cocky Anthony who convinces Surma that he can cure her no problem, so "let's have a child!" I'd think he convinced himself he could cure her after the decision to have a child was made. (Maybe he even dared to dream of a family life with his wife and his daughter.) Or what if Annie was actually an accident? That should double the amount of guilt on Tony's shoulders. |
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Post by jda on Jul 24, 2017 16:47:42 GMT
What if Annie's an accident? That is my head canon until disproved. |
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Post by cartographer7 on Jul 24, 2017 17:01:07 GMT
That's an interesting way to put it, Anja. Why was that worse than brainwashing? My guess: If it was brainwashing, they could have done something. Saving your friend from mind control is totally OK. But since it was love, they had to respect Surma's choices. There was very little they could do. |
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Post by saardvark on Jul 24, 2017 17:54:53 GMT
I choose to believe the balloon was drawn by Kat when she was little. Kat also drew a lot of schematics and geometric proofs at the time, but Anja choose to frame and hang the balloon picture to encourage Kat to also be a kid. (of course the balloon pic only serves as inspiration for Kat ponder lighter-than-air and anti-grav vehicles....) |
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Post by dotdotdot on Jul 24, 2017 17:54:56 GMT
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Post by saardvark on Jul 24, 2017 18:14:56 GMT
maybe a characteristic of fire elementals is if they (or their host) fall in love, the are compelled to reproduce. Which makes their love fatally tragic as well. I don't believe that. There would be no point in Tony's mountains of guilt if it hadn't been a choice. He promised Surma he could keep her alive, which means he had the time to think about it, which means they discussed it. It also means Surma wasn't begging him for a baby, but rather they took a decision to have a kid after he told her he would be able to save her. No, I'm pretty sure Anja means that in a more subtle way. maybe compelled was a poor choice of words... strongly drawn towards, maybe? Enough for her to mention it to Tony and get him thinking that maybe it could work, he could "find the cure". I think Tony could still feel very guilty that he couldn't cure her like he thought. Then again, it could have been a mistake as fish suggests; a contraceptive malfunction? We shall see! |
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Post by faiiry on Jul 24, 2017 18:40:04 GMT
I don't believe that. There would be no point in Tony's mountains of guilt if it hadn't been a choice. He promised Surma he could keep her alive, which means he had the time to think about it, which means they discussed it. It also means Surma wasn't begging him for a baby, but rather they took a decision to have a kid after he told her he would be able to save her. No, I'm pretty sure Anja means that in a more subtle way. maybe compelled was a poor choice of words... strongly drawn towards, maybe? Enough for her to mention it to Tony and get him thinking that maybe it could work, he could "find the cure". I think Tony could still feel very guilty that he couldn't cure her like he thought. Then again, it could have been a mistake as fish suggests; a contraceptive malfunction? We shall see! Tom has answered a related question before. Here: www.chrysoprax.org/gunnerkrigg/results?term=surma%20postponedHe says that Surma could have postponed having a child if she wanted. That makes me think her choice wasn't related to a biological compulsion; it was more like a self-sacrifice. |
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