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Post by thedoctor on Dec 4, 2013 14:45:10 GMT
Also, there is still a emergency box full of Corgis somewhere. There's this, too: Am I the only one who thinks these things just look kind of creepy? Sorry
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Post by Xan on Dec 4, 2013 14:50:39 GMT
There's this, too: Am I the only one who thinks these things just look kind of creepy? Sorry But it's a bucketful of awwwls! All right, all right, pop open the reserve power:
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Post by ctso74 on Dec 4, 2013 14:56:25 GMT
Asleep? I initial impression was that she is talking to somebody etherically It might be very interesting to see that tree ethericly, whether it's the Arm Tree or merely Emotional Epiphany Tree. Annie is probably closer to Shadow. Shadow may have an insight or two about atypical love. So, I'm hoping for that.
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Post by legion on Dec 4, 2013 14:58:52 GMT
I hope Doctor Disaster shows up, because we haven't seen him for 22 chapters, and he knows all about unreciprocated love.
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 4, 2013 15:10:40 GMT
I'm interpreting it a little differently. I think it's possible Annie wanted to be found by Kat. This was a big moment for them together, so even though Annie is feeling abandoned, she didn't run off to someplace new to be alone; she went to the place of her happiest memory with Kat. Part of Annie must hope that Kat will look for her and find her here, and I think it's interesting that Kat hasn't checked her yet. Annie must find that pretty disappointing. It's still really sad, but in a different way. Annie can be obtuse sometimes and not the best socially, so this is another example of her awkwardness. She wants to know Kat still loves her (as a friend) so the way she wants to test this is to see if Kat can find her at their most meaningful place. Well, just a theory anyway. Not a bad one.
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Post by zimmyzims on Dec 4, 2013 15:14:40 GMT
The place makes sense. It was where Annie finally broke down after her mother's death and told Kat about her father's disappearance. I'd chance a guess and say this isn't about homophobia, but about Annie's abandonment issues. Her mum died, her father left and now Kat has someone else who in Annie's eyes is or becomes more important to Kat than her. To add insult to injury Kat didn't even trust her enough to tell her. Also: I think I'm a Senior Member now. I kept trying to write a post to that effect over the last few weeks but kinda failed. I guess I'd been doing some rereading (actually before this chapter) and just realised (at the time of rereading) just how ... brittle Annie is. The first real sign of it I guess being when she's up on the roof and is like "haha what are they going to do? TELL MY PARENTS?! AHAHA". . Which, when you think about it is kind of ... disturbing, in that it's an indication of how much pain she is in. (Not long after returning from the forest, which was just after learning that her mother died because of her, and I guess being really hurt by Rey who she is close to; and I guess also not long after Kat was being really standoffish and weird and upset). Then Jack rejects her for Zimmy. And not long after that was the phone call from her father where he really just used her to get a code across and get some scalpels (at least from her perspective). Then Ysengrin who she cares about deeply attacked her. And the court rejected her by not choosing her as medium. That part must have really hurt. Not because she cared about Jack, she clearly did not. But how low must she feel when even Zimmy is preferred to her!? No offense to Zim, but... uh, you know what I mean.
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Post by warrl on Dec 4, 2013 15:26:46 GMT
Asleep? I initial impression was that she is talking to somebody etherically (or then I could be overinterpreting, I tend to do that.) I suggested she might be visiting Lindsey. After stashing her body elsewhere (although I guessed the latter would be with Mort). Lindsey probably doesn't have many students come visit her...
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Post by eyemyself on Dec 4, 2013 15:29:22 GMT
I'm interpreting it a little differently. I think it's possible Annie wanted to be found by Kat. This was a big moment for them together, so even though Annie is feeling abandoned, she didn't run off to someplace new to be alone; she went to the place of her happiest memory with Kat. Part of Annie must hope that Kat will look for her and find her here, and I think it's interesting that Kat hasn't checked her yet. Annie must find that pretty disappointing. It's still really sad, but in a different way. Annie can be obtuse sometimes and not the best socially, so this is another example of her awkwardness. She wants to know Kat still loves her (as a friend) so the way she wants to test this is to see if Kat can find her at their most meaningful place. Well, just a theory anyway. I agree with you, this combined with what Snipergirl said about Annie being really emotionally fragile right now makes for some really potent brooding. While Kat has been drifting in post-Paz Bliss and wandering around looking for Annie, Annie has been stewing in her own juices having selected what she thought was an obvious spot to sulk hoping that Kat would find her and offer some reassurance. When they do eventually reconnect and Kat exclaims "I looked for you everywhere!" if Annie still isn't in the best mental space she may interpret the fact that Kat didn't think to look in what she thought was an obvious place as confirmation that she is loosing that close friendship she has had with Kat.
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Post by warrl on Dec 4, 2013 15:32:42 GMT
Many 'underage' soldiers who lied about their age signed up to WW1 in particular. It was a pretty shitty, horrible war, with chemical weapons and many casualties and really no 'good' side. I guess the other horror of that war was also the one that caused more casualties than even the war itself- the Spanish Influenza. Returning troops brought it home to every corner of the world; it had an incredibly high death rate, a severe strain of flu, also in a time before antibiotics to treat bacterial pneumonia complicating it. The nastiest thing about the Spanish Flu was just how it killed. It triggered a severe autoimmune response. The flu didn't kill you, your own immune system killed you. So the healthier you were before getting the flu, the more likely you were to die of the flu.
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Post by quinkgirl on Dec 4, 2013 15:58:58 GMT
Okay... A box of owls, a group of baby pandas, and some discussion about WWI and Spanish flu.
"I think everyone here gets temporary ADHD." I REST MY CASE.
Anyway... Do you think there's a significant reason why she's outside the room instead of in? Other than the possibility of the door being locked.
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Post by fwip on Dec 4, 2013 16:13:02 GMT
I'm guessing she could let herself in if she wanted to. No wait it's a decontamination chamber, probably sealed from the inside as well.
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Post by Xan on Dec 4, 2013 16:15:46 GMT
Okay... A box of owls, a group of baby pandas, and some discussion about WWI and Spanish flu. "I think everyone here gets temporary ADHD." I REST MY CASE. Anyway... Do you think there's a significant reason why she's outside the room instead of in? Other than the possibility of the door being locked. I agree with aforementioned opinion that it's psychological. It's a barrier she sees mirrored and therefore doesn't cross.
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Post by quinkgirl on Dec 4, 2013 16:39:35 GMT
Okay... A box of owls, a group of baby pandas, and some discussion about WWI and Spanish flu. "I think everyone here gets temporary ADHD." I REST MY CASE. Anyway... Do you think there's a significant reason why she's outside the room instead of in? Other than the possibility of the door being locked. I agree with aforementioned opinion that it's psychological. It's a barrier she sees mirrored and therefore doesn't cross. Uh... Mirrored? I know it's a memory associated with Kat, and so maybe she wouldn't want to go in. But then why visit it in the first place then?
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Post by nero on Dec 4, 2013 16:46:09 GMT
Kat was Annie's best friend, they were tight. There isn't anyone else except perhaps Renard that she can talk to about anything. Annie just needs to realize that Kat is still in the Court and can still be her best friend. She may have chosen to sit by the door because thinking back to that happier time with Kat felt painful.
If Kat doesn't find her first then Bob might find Annie since only he and possibly Eglamore know about this room.
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Post by Gotolei on Dec 4, 2013 16:57:32 GMT
Asleep? I initial impression was that she is talking to somebody etherically (or then I could be overinterpreting, I tend to do that.) I suggested she might be visiting Lindsey. After stashing her body elsewhere (although I guessed the latter would be with Mort). Lindsey probably doesn't have many students come visit her... That's a kind of disturbing way to put it 0_o though I'm guessing it's not really inaccurate either. About Lindsey, yeah Annie's probably one of very few nearby students that can communicate with her without using the computer and have a private conversation (another being Paz?) I wonder if Kat's ever left out of the loop due to communications happening outside the physical realm? Annie can just pop out whenever she wants to, Rey and Lindsey can be described as beings of the ether, etc..while Kat's stuck here.
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Post by GK Sierra on Dec 4, 2013 17:34:16 GMT
So I guess that does really just leave Mort? Who is described as a "boy", yet has "Dulce et Decorum est [pro patria mori]" ( www.gunnerkrigg.com/?p=60 ) associated with him, which translates as "It is sweet and fitting to die for your country" from Horace's Odes and in context is an exhortation for men to take up arms to terrify the enemies of Rome. It is used, sarcastically (ironically?) as the title of the poem "Dulce et Decorum est" by Wilfred Owen, one of my favourite poems, denouncing World War One (in which Owen fought) and describing a mustard gas attack. Bent double, like old beggars under sacks, Knock-kneed, coughing like hags, we cursed through sludge, Till on the haunting flares we turned our backs And towards our distant rest began to trudge. Men marched asleep. Many had lost their boots But limped on, blood-shod. All went lame; all blind; Drunk with fatigue; deaf even to the hoots Of tired, outstripped Five-Nines that dropped behind. Gas! Gas! Quick, boys! – An ecstasy of fumbling, Fitting the clumsy helmets just in time; But someone still was yelling out and stumbling, And flound'ring like a man in fire or lime... Dim, through the misty panes and thick green light, As under a green sea, I saw him drowning. In all my dreams, before my helpless sight, He plunges at me, guttering, choking, drowning. If in some smothering dreams you too could pace Behind the wagon that we flung him in, And watch the white eyes writhing in his face, His hanging face, like a devil's sick of sin; If you could hear, at every jolt, the blood Come gargling from the froth-corrupted lungs, Obscene as cancer, bitter as the cud Of vile, incurable sores on innocent tongues, My friend, you would not tell with such high zest To children ardent for some desperate glory, The old Lie; Dulce et Decorum est Pro patria mori. Many 'underage' soldiers who lied about their age signed up to WW1 in particular. It was a pretty shitty, horrible war, with chemical weapons and many casualties and really no 'good' side. I guess the other horror of that war was also the one that caused more casualties than even the war itself- the Spanish Influenza. Returning troops brought it home to every corner of the world; it had an incredibly high death rate, a severe strain of flu, also in a time before antibiotics to treat bacterial pneumonia complicating it. So I've always assumed that Mort was a soldier who died in the war or shortly after it, prematurely. It may also explain some of his inexperience with talking to girls. I think WWI is a solid guess to make, especially considering that that poem is attached to that era like "Ashokan Farewell" is attached to the American Civil War. They didn't really care who they took, as evinced by my great great uncle who managed to join up at the tender age of 15. Then he inhaled mustard gas, and, unfortunately for him, lived to tell about it. He died less than a decade later. Mort doesn't seem like the soldiering type, though. My guess is he died in connection with the war rather than on the field of battle itself.
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Post by Covalent on Dec 4, 2013 19:12:01 GMT
Oh, that room again. xD The lack of dialogue in those panels is a little disconcerting.
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Post by Purgatorius on Dec 4, 2013 19:27:19 GMT
Aaah. I like this. I like flashbacks. I like many long flashbacks. I believe I have seen that you do, right?
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 4, 2013 19:46:22 GMT
The saddest part of this update is with all the places Kat looked, the only place she didn't check is the one that Annie most associates with their friendship.
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Post by quinkgirl on Dec 4, 2013 20:05:58 GMT
The saddest part of this update is with all the places Kat looked, the only place she didn't check is the one that Annie most associates with their friendship. Noooo... That's... That's just terrible.
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Post by fronzel on Dec 4, 2013 20:27:59 GMT
The saddest part of this update is with all the places Kat looked, the only place she didn't check is the one that Annie most associates with their friendship. So not only is Kat now distracted from their friendship by her love affair, it turns out that they didn't have quite the same understanding of each other in the first place. So, when is Kat going to find out that Annie's been cheating off her? Or will Annie just not spend enough time around Kat to cheat, and suffer in her grade for it?
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Post by atteSmythe on Dec 4, 2013 20:44:32 GMT
The saddest part of this update is with all the places Kat looked, the only place she didn't check is the one that Annie most associates with their friendship. So not only is Kat now distracted from their friendship by her love affair, it turns out that they didn't have quite the same understanding of each other in the first place. Yeah. :/ And that's the crushing blow, which hadn't even occurred to me yet. Kat has her own reason for feeling betrayed, she just doesn't know it yet...
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Post by Intelligence on Dec 4, 2013 20:54:46 GMT
Hopefully Annie will just get Mort to scare Paz again.
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Post by panther on Dec 5, 2013 0:01:28 GMT
Jones could show up and there would still be lonely pages without dialogue. She's Jones, after all.This is amazing! New headcanon
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Post by sapientcoffee on Dec 5, 2013 0:13:49 GMT
I kept trying to write a post to that effect over the last few weeks but kinda failed. I guess I'd been doing some rereading (actually before this chapter) and just realised (at the time of rereading) just how ... brittle Annie is. The first real sign of it I guess being when she's up on the roof and is like "haha what are they going to do? TELL MY PARENTS?! AHAHA". . Which, when you think about it is kind of ... disturbing, in that it's an indication of how much pain she is in. (Not long after returning from the forest, which was just after learning that her mother died because of her, and I guess being really hurt by Rey who she is close to; and I guess also not long after Kat was being really standoffish and weird and upset). Then Jack rejects her for Zimmy. And not long after that was the phone call from her father where he really just used her to get a code across and get some scalpels (at least from her perspective). Then Ysengrin who she cares about deeply attacked her. And the court rejected her by not choosing her as medium. That part must have really hurt. Not because she cared about Jack, she clearly did not. But how low must she feel when even Zimmy is preferred to her!? No offense to Zim, but... uh, you know what I mean. If she wasn't so pissed off, she would'a never called Zimmy a deranged psychopath. She didn't go after Jack, the one picking at her, she went after Zimmy. I actually think Jack would be a good friend for her - piss her off and get her to laugh at more ordinary life experiences. Sometimes the people you need are the ones that aren't so close to your heart. Okay... A box of owls, a group of baby pandas, and some discussion about WWI and Spanish flu. "I think everyone here gets temporary ADHD." I REST MY CASE. It's a common side effect when you talk about stuff with people who know things!
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Post by arf on Dec 5, 2013 0:44:14 GMT
Okay... A box of owls, a group of baby pandas, and some discussion about WWI and Spanish flu. "I think everyone here gets temporary ADHD." I REST MY CASE. Anyway... Do you think there's a significant reason why she's outside the room instead of in? Other than the possibility of the door being locked. As I said earlier, I think it signifies the sense of isolation Annie is feeling at the moment. In practical terms, I can see Annie coming here for comfort and looking through the glass, and thinking "No. There's nothing here for me."
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Post by Shire on Dec 5, 2013 1:39:22 GMT
I hope Doctor Disaster shows up, because we haven't seen him for 22 chapters, and he knows all about unreciprocated love. Ooh! And then they can go on an adventure! In Simul-space!
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Post by warrl on Dec 5, 2013 2:00:29 GMT
I suggested she might be visiting Lindsey. After stashing her body elsewhere (although I guessed the latter would be with Mort). Lindsey probably doesn't have many students come visit her... That's a kind of disturbing way to put it 0_o though I'm guessing it's not really inaccurate either. It's accurate. There may be a less jarring way to put it, of course. And if you're going to be absent from your body for a while, leaving it around friends who know about the practice may be unwise - while leaving it to people who don't is probably worse.
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Post by SilverbackRon on Dec 5, 2013 6:17:49 GMT
As I said earlier, I think it signifies the sense of isolation Annie is feeling at the moment. In practical terms, I can see Annie coming here for comfort and looking through the glass, and thinking "No. There's nothing here for me." That is exactly how I see it. She came looking for that comfort and realized it wasn't really there. So she sat down and probably had a good cry. What we see now is her just sad and depressed. I agree with the thoughts that her main source of despair is her fear of losing Kat as her best friend. Or rather, Annie no longer being Kat's #1 friend, but falling into second place. She doesn't want to be found. I don't believe it is homophobia (dear gods Tom no, please no) but rather realizing that there is a whole other dimension to Kat that she never knew, and Kat never told her. I do not think she is feeling like a jilted wannabe lover. But that is just my opinion, I know the Annie/Kat shippers see it differently. ------- Onto the subject of Mort, I love the WW1 theories and posts, but it is all based on a single line on the wall that we have no idea when or why it was put there. Remember, we have seen "buy war bonds" posters on other walls, this may have nothing to do with it. Also, Muut said Mort is "new and inexperienced", so I think his is a much more recent death. Again, just my opinion.
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Post by Señor Goose on Dec 5, 2013 6:35:30 GMT
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