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Post by GK Sierra on Jul 28, 2012 17:39:25 GMT
I'm another one of those lazy people who finally created an account after this. I hope the next page has an explanation, if it turns out to be a joke rather than the big secret I'd be a bit disappointed... probably not as put out as Annie though. Welcome to the forums, TheSaddestFace! We'll probably get some explanation but I wouldn't count on a whole lot. Key word there being "some". Tom would make a smashing dealer. He knows precisely how much to cut his product to keep people satisfied and also coming back for more.
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Ettlesby
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Post by Ettlesby on Jul 28, 2012 20:43:23 GMT
Yet another drawn out of the woodwork to say 'oh man this is amazing'.
I don't know where this is all headed, but man am I glad I'm along for this ride.
Wherever this is going, it has definitely...
...come to a head.
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Post by hargharg on Jul 28, 2012 20:52:54 GMT
That is not creepy at all Coyote. "Ysengrin is drawing closer to the brink of insanity." Ysengrin, really? If it's Ysengrin who has created or brought here Coyote somehow, than yes, he really should be close to insane.
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Post by eeee386 on Jul 28, 2012 20:56:11 GMT
And another newly registered member. I thought coyote just fooling around with this great secret, and i thought, I could go bed at half past nine, and yet I'm here at quarter to eleven reading posts, and threads, registering, and writing, because, Tom Siddell, you've just blown my mind. ...And I think coyote didn't exist as physical being, maybe he is just part of the forest or he is the forest. i mean he is the rocks, the trees, the grass...etc. (I remember that strip, when he pulled out his tooth, made a sword from it, and he just replaced it with a simple rock.) Or he is just fooling around... Or he is just a lie,a trick, an eyewash... Or I don't know I think I reread the whole story again, to get some idea...
(And I'm right now learning the english, if some of you were that kind to tell me where i've mistaken I'll be glad)
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Post by eeee386 on Jul 28, 2012 20:59:33 GMT
ouch, i've realized that we aren't in the same time zone
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Post by AluK on Jul 29, 2012 0:12:36 GMT
Reminds me of the True Fae from Changeling: The Lost. In that game, the Fae are, essentially, dreams given existence through the power of the Wyrd and they derive their power from their names, their titles and the narratives they take part in. They need people, humans, because without humans there are no dreams.
I think Coyote is a narrative given existence, he exists through the stories told about him. It's not about belief, it's about the creative act of storytelling. If it's so, the comic is very meta of Tom, as we're reading yet another story about Coyote (and maybe that's why he's somewhat aware of his in-comic existence).
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Post by Amethyst on Jul 29, 2012 4:18:36 GMT
If Ysengrin created Coyote: 1) It explains Ysengrin's self-hatred, with how poorly Coyote treats him 2) It may be related to why Tom made note that Ysengrin wasn't freaking out when Jones came to talk to Coyote and Annie 3) If Renard and Ysengrin were in the woods before Coyote arrived, why did Ysengrin decide to think Coyote up? 4) Is Coyote the kind of dog Ysengrin secretly wishes he was?
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Post by djublonskopf on Jul 29, 2012 5:12:07 GMT
I'm reminded of how weird Coyote looked in the aether . . . just colored bands of teeth and eyes. Ysengrin looked roughly like a stylized, vibrant Ysengrin . . . but Coyote looked formless and bizarre. Perhaps that has something to do with his claim now?
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 29, 2012 8:32:19 GMT
I hope the next page has an explanation, if it turns out to be a joke rather than the big secret I'd be a bit disappointed... probably not as put out as Annie though. We'll probably get some explanation but I wouldn't count on a whole lot. That comes from Coyote - and with him, well, you know the drill...
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Post by chibicarrera on Jul 29, 2012 19:33:44 GMT
So much speculation with this paaaageeee
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Post by TBeholder on Jul 30, 2012 0:48:20 GMT
...ah, found it. And then, any enlightened spirit will readily agree that he doesn't exist. And here you thought Tom was playing with "American Gods". ;D So much speculation with this paaaageeee Everything's as usual. Is it fundom because it's fun, or is it fun because it's fundom?
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Post by tiercel on Jul 30, 2012 1:59:22 GMT
I think Coyote is a narrative given existence, he exists through the stories told about him. It's not about belief, it's about the creative act of storytelling. This would be a bit of a twist on the standard trope of "the gods exist because people believe they exist" or "the gods are what people believe they are." It would also explain why Coyote doesn't necessarily mind telling (even WANTS to tell) Annie that he doesn't exist, since not-believing won't directly damage his existence if he does shake her belief in him. [It also explains why it is his Great Secret -- people are more likely to tell stories about Coyote if they believe he exists on some level, not to mention that going around telling people generally that you don't exist isn't the best gambit for ensuring that you continue to exist.] It would also explain why Coyote wants Annie to tell stories about him, if that's his "power source" in a sense. (It also raises the question of what Coyote is about to be up to, as he specifically wanted stories about how strong he is...)
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Post by arf on Jul 30, 2012 2:25:25 GMT
Here's a little more speculative pattern-matching:
Is our occasional ash-blond wall-breaker 'Tea', short for 'Coyo-te?
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Post by aranael on Jul 30, 2012 2:53:45 GMT
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Post by warrl on Jul 30, 2012 7:11:57 GMT
I hope the next page has an explanation, if it turns out to be a joke rather than the big secret I'd be a bit disappointed... probably not as put out as Annie though. The explanation will, of course, barely answer anything, but raise more questions. (Oh, I see someone already pointed that out.) If Coyote doesn't exist because he's a personification of a character in a bunch of stories, it *cannot* be Ysengrin who created him. Or Renard either. Why not? Because they also do not exist. They originate in French/Belgian tales known to be over 800 years old (written in 1148, probably from older written or verbal sources). Isengrim is a wolf (in a fairy-tale world where animals are people, obviously) who became a monk so that he could indulge himself at other people's expense. And Renart is his main antagonist. (In fact, the name "Renard" from these stories has entirely replaced the old-French word for "fox". Which was "goupil".) But of the three of them, Ysengrin is the least well-known. If our theorizing about what Coyote means is correct, he's the one most likely to be damaged or weakened. Thus his anger at Coyote even suggesting he might tell the secret. One more thing: I think Coyote is wrong. He DOES exist. It's just that people are mistaken about what he is. The truth is that he's a Slinky.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jul 30, 2012 8:46:04 GMT
Terrible thought.
Coyote doesn't truly exist, and he's giving away his powers. Both of these are true. What if Coyote is trying to become A REAL BOY.. er.. doggie? Oh the wild speculation!
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kralex
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Post by kralex on Aug 1, 2012 19:33:25 GMT
If 2) It may be related to why Tom made note that Ysengrin wasn't freaking out when Jones came to talk to Coyote and Annie Speaking of Jones and Coyote. They seem to be very much each other's opposite. Coyote is shapeless (as in constantly shifting in form), weightless, jovial. Jones is immutable, heavy as if made of solid rock, and completely devoid of emotion. I think this extreme disparity could hardly be coincidental, they seem to be each other's complement but equally powerful, perhaps two opposite aspects of the same force underneath. It would explain why Ysengin did not blink an eye when Jones came to visit, as he would see her as the other side of Coyote, his master. It would be interesting to know when Jones appeared on the scene; was it about the same time as Coyote? And if they are opposite aspects of the same some-thing-or-other, called Coyote when seen from the Forest and Jones when seen from the Court, then what's the some-thing-or-other?
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galileo
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Post by galileo on Aug 2, 2012 2:46:34 GMT
If 2) It may be related to why Tom made note that Ysengrin wasn't freaking out when Jones came to talk to Coyote and Annie Speaking of Jones and Coyote. They seem to be very much each other's opposite. Coyote is shapeless (as in constantly shifting in form), weightless, jovial. Jones is immutable, heavy as if made of solid rock, and completely devoid of emotion. I think this extreme disparity could hardly be coincidental, they seem to be each other's complement but equally powerful, perhaps two opposite aspects of the same force underneath. It would explain why Ysengin did not blink an eye when Jones came to visit, as he would see her as the other side of Coyote, his master. It would be interesting to know when Jones appeared on the scene; was it about the same time as Coyote? And if they are opposite aspects of the same some-thing-or-other, called Coyote when seen from the Forest and Jones when seen from the Court, then what's the some-thing-or-other? Perhaps she's related to the fabled Bismuth. That is something I'm highly intrigued by! It reminds me a lot of Garth Nix's novels about the days of the week (I forget the name of them, but they're very good). She seems...removed from the Court however, like she's not part of anything, but chooses to stay in the Court. Maybe because she was created by the Court, but not FOR the Court, specifically. Or perhaps she's just a strange and enigmatic person...Eglamore certainly treats her as if she's human.
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