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Post by TBeholder on May 29, 2012 8:08:33 GMT
You know, I've found in my travels that the only people who get as uncomfortable with another dude close to them as Americans are the Australians, and I personally believe this is just because they like personal space [...] Nah, they do. Trust me. Like every thread. Humans are sexual creatures. Not all humans are constantly heavily breathing creatures, though. Which is good, since after a while this activity becomes annoying. a comic divorced from this reality of human experience, he is simply mistaken. If "reality" is represented by shippers' speculations now... I have only one question: where's Zimmy when we need her? I hope that when Annie wakes up Kat will get over her troubles and be there as her friend, because whatever happens Annie will need her. Kat doesn't fret overmuch when something important is going on. I suspect that the most inconvenient part will be that Annie after waking up will try to embrace both of them at once. For that matter, Zimmy probably mocks her simply because she's open to mockery. Or, from another perspective, gives a damn about it - given her own situation, Zimmy may find that not only wishy-washy, but irritating. In fact Kat isn't just a friend or sister to Annie, she can also be a sort of mother figure to Annie. She certainly tries to be a protective big sister. Jack knows about the mindlink thing, at least. Or, you know, she could have hesitated because she didn't want to disturb Annie. Who is slowly dieing in the hospital bed. Moving a little hair doesn't disturb someone who is comatose. It's pretty clear that Kat interrupted her gesture because she realized that Zimmy was looking. It's not easy to tell which sort of uneasiness is going on. But easy to see that any attempt to discuss this is doomed to drown in a tidal wave of warm drool now. Which is why the shipperfests are annoying. PPS: Female friends touch each other. Every show of affection from Kat towards Annie doesn't necessarily imply anything sexual. Enough already. I agree it probably shows Kat is still self-conscious after the thing with Paz, but no more than that. Well, duh. And we all know Kat is really attracted to birds, so not a chance... at least until she gets ether-sight. But shippers be shippers - it's always "Freud damn the torpedoes, full ahead!" ;D Jones's head animal would be a pet rock. It would always say only "{...)", sometimes adding a disapproving gaze.
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Post by Max on May 29, 2012 9:29:16 GMT
"She's always got excuses for him." I wonder how many times the subject has been brought up between them. We've only seen the one, but sounds like there have been others.
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Post by Kriselia on May 29, 2012 11:41:54 GMT
I wonder how many times the subject has been brought up between them. We've only seen the one, but sounds like there have been others. They had this talk after the first summer, and their responses seem like they've talked about it more than just at the cherry tree.
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Post by Lightice on May 29, 2012 11:47:23 GMT
It's not easy to tell which sort of uneasiness is going on. But easy to see that any attempt to discuss this is doomed to drown in a tidal wave of warm drool now. Which is why the shipperfests are annoying. Here and now, I find the rabid shippers and anti-shippers equally annoying. The most crazy Annie/Kat shippers were silenced awhile ago, before I started actively posting, but now the other shoe has dropped and an increasing number of people are going for the other extreme. Both sides imagine that everything has already been discussed and decided, and their side is the only thing that makes any sense, giving a finger to all the ongoing character development and unanswered questions in the comic itself, and putting meta-justifications ahead of the actual story. Everyone who isn't supporting the ship is a raging homophobe and anyone supporting it is a drooling fanboy. The whole thing started to get on my nerves as soon as I did start actively participating here a little while back. Please, please, please get in your minds that all the development so far has been deliberately ambigious, and nothing definitive has been done to support either extreme. It's perfectly possible that the final result won't fit in either side's predictions at all. All that is clear is that this is a subplot important to Kat's character development, regardless of whether she ends up identifying as gay or not. This is an important character arc, and dismissing it as insignificant and meaningless is almost as annoying as declaring that Annie and Kat are totally going to make out at the end of the chapter.
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Post by mcbibble on May 29, 2012 12:07:52 GMT
I have been labeled a shipper without ever having professed a ship or an interest in seeing kat with anyone. People assume that if you're saying kat *might* be gay- might!- you are automatically making a whole 'nother bunch of assumptions. One presumes this has to do with previous kat/Annie fans, but it is irritating to be tarred with the same brush.
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Post by crank on May 29, 2012 12:12:03 GMT
Before this page, I did not believe that Tom was leading to a Annie/Kat romance. But I have to say, caressing somebody's FACE (like Kat is about to do) is an intimate gesture that I personally have never done to a friend. Yes, there is physical contact between friends, but I have never felt the urge to caress my friend's cheek... Of course I have no idea if this is the way the comic is going or if that is what Tom was implying here.... the gesture just seemed more intimate than their regular interactions.
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Post by Kriselia on May 29, 2012 12:29:35 GMT
Sooo, I was just rereading Sky Watcher and the Angel... And with this chapter's title being Divine with a bird on the cover, maybe we'll find out what the "divine being" who created the tic-tocs is?
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Post by TBeholder on May 29, 2012 13:26:57 GMT
Both sides imagine that everything has already been discussed and decided, I'm relieved that your telepathy doesn't detect me as a "side". Please, please, please get in your minds that all the development so far has been deliberately ambigious, and nothing definitive has been done to support either extreme. It's perfectly possible that the final result won't fit in either side's predictions at all. My point exactly! Gunnerkrigg is not predictable as it is, which makes intense shoehorning of wishful thinking with a sketched bow for a "justification" even more obvious as oblivious than usually. Which is what displaces discussions on remotely related subjects attached to the comic any better than Neverwinter Nights to Forgotten Realms. Sooo, I was just rereading Sky Watcher and the Angel... And with this chapter's title being Divine with a bird on the cover, maybe we'll find out what the "divine being" who created the tic-tocs is? It's a great big Tic-Toc in the sky!
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Post by Lightice on May 29, 2012 13:48:15 GMT
Both sides imagine that everything has already been discussed and decided, I'm relieved that your telepathy doesn't detect me as a "side". You did keep insisting that Kat's gesture and the resulting hesitation couldn't possibly be significant. That's something that I heavily disagree with. Gunnerkrigg Court so far hasn't thrown around meaningless content, and all of Kat's issues with physical contact recently have stemmed from Paz's hasty assumption at the party a few chapters back. I think it's foolish to try and invent a completely new reason for this time, or insist that there's no meaning whatsoever. It is not a proof of any kind that Kat would be gay or not, but it is a proof that the issue is still bothering her. You don't need telepathy when neither side exactly makes a secret of what they are thinking, and you are a bit too eager to classify everybody who even brings the matter up as a drooling shipper fanboy. The question is there, it is being brought up every now and then in the comic, and there's nothing wrong with discussing it when it does, even though the answers are still absent. Just don't make the assumption that you've already been proven right, whatever your angle is... ...like this. From the fact that Gunnerkrigg Court is unpredictable, you draw the conclusion that the shipping route is predictable and therefore inheritly wrong. GKC also doesn't bend over for fan expectations, for or against anything. It follows its own, largely predetermined plotline at its own pace. It is a fallacy to assume that: "Gunnerkrigg Court is an unpredictable comic. Theory X is predictable in my opinion, therefore it must be wrong." And I am willing to give the same lecture to the next rabid shipper, make no mistake of that.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 29, 2012 13:48:33 GMT
Both sides imagine that everything has already been discussed and decided, I'm relieved that your telepathy doesn't detect me as a "side". I don't think anybody can detect you, tbeholder, you just pull up your periscope and go to crush depth and you're untouchable ;D
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Post by fish on May 29, 2012 14:47:16 GMT
Before this page, I did not believe that Tom was leading to a Annie/Kat romance. But I have to say, caressing somebody's FACE (like Kat is about to do) is an intimate gesture that I personally have never done to a friend. Yes, there is physical contact between friends, but I have never felt the urge to caress my friend's cheek... I read Kat's movement really more like an absent-minded attempt to put that strand of hair out of Annie's face. And fixing people's hair is something I often find myself doing (or wanting to do) as well, even though I'm really not a touchy-feely person. We've seen Kat touch Annie's hair before, that is something some girls tend to do (and I bet Annie's hair is amazing).
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Post by TBeholder on May 29, 2012 15:38:39 GMT
I'm relieved that your telepathy doesn't detect me as a "side". You did keep insisting that Kat's gesture and the resulting hesitation couldn't possibly be significant. (sigh) First you "telepathed" who imagines what. And now you attribute to me mindblowingly weird ideas. That's something that I heavily disagree with. Gunnerkrigg Court so far hasn't thrown around meaningless content Of course. Which is why i'm not quite amazed by automatically equalling "significant" (which, as we agreed, is everything in Gunnerkrigg Court, at least potentially) with " OHMYCITYFACE, KATXANNIE!!1". Nor can see it and following vaportrail of verbalized heavy breathing as significantly related to the comic in question. I think it's foolish to try and invent a completely new reason for this time And repeating the same without much trying to think about, say, its context... isn't? Also, exactly how thoughtless reducing everything to the same output can be a meaningful discussion? I'm at a loss. You don't need telepathy when neither side exactly makes a secret of what they are thinking, Yes. Which is why i don't try it. ;D you are a bit too eager to classify everybody ...which is not exactly what you just did by assigning "sides"? Observation: your high horse is of Trojan breed. it is being brought up every now and then in the comic, and there's nothing wrong with discussing it when it does, even though the answers are still absent. That being, again, exactly my point - thanks for taking it. Don't mind the ticking. There's also may be a tiny little difference between discussing what is "brought up" and happily copying over and over what doesn't really vary with the occasion (if any), without even the second thought as to whether there was a reason in the first place. P.S.: you aren't a wikipedia editor, by chance? From the fact that Gunnerkrigg Court is unpredictable, you draw the conclusion that the shipping route is predictable and therefore inheritly wrong. You didn't follow my drift, but i find appearance of this notion in the same message as... I think it's foolish to try and invent a completely new reason for this time ... mind-blowing. It is a fallacy to assume that: "Gunnerkrigg Court is an unpredictable comic. Theory X is predictable in my opinion, therefore it must be wrong." Congratulations, the straw doll is killed with one devastating strike. And?.. I don't think anybody can detect you, tbeholder, you just pull up your periscope and go to crush depth Just retrace the bubbles...
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Post by Lightice on May 29, 2012 16:05:16 GMT
I really, really shouldn't be doing this, since it's taking the whole discussion away both from the comic itself, and the original subject which brought up this tangent. Unfortunately, I've always been bad at avoiding thrown gauntlets. At least I try to focus on just the key points. (sigh) First you "telepathed" who imagines what. And now you attribute to me mindblowingly weird ideas. Of course. The said "idea" was based on this exchange: You appeared to be siding with the original poster who insisted that the gesture was meaningless in terms of Kat's insecurities, writing the interpretation off as just another case of drooling fanboys overinterpreting everything. And even now you keep dismissively associating my comments with the "vapor-trail of verbalized heavy breathing", when my goal is to get rid of the annoying trend of shipping vs. anti-shipping that keeps drowning up the conversation. It has to be possible to speak of Kat's insecurities, which are a real part of the plot, without getting instantly branded as a drooling, mindless shipper of a fanboy. If that's not your goal, you're doing a poor job at conveying your true intentions. Because I've noted these sides forming almost every time the topic is brought up, and currently you are the most eager to instantly brand people into the "durr, lesbians are hot"-category for mentioning it. I try to find the connection between the two arguments, but with no luck. Care to help me out? However, please do it in PM. If your goal is to stop with the yea/nay-bickering too, don't perpetuate it.
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Post by mcbibble on May 29, 2012 16:37:53 GMT
Also, the notion that one cannot like Annie and kat as a couple without it being somehow perverse is a bit dodgy, don't you think? It would be a romantic story. If they got together this comic wouldn't suddenly become 18+, and I'm sure shippers wouldn't want it to.
Anyway, enough.
So, Zimmy can put reynards lights out. Jones did once say that Zimmy interacted with the ether in a similar way to Reynard or coyote. Maybe she's an artificial human equivalent? I've wondered that for a while, but the fact she can do that supports the idea that she is at any rate, very powerful when she's in control.
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Post by ischaldirh on May 29, 2012 16:53:34 GMT
This conversation is absurd. What I see, is anti-shippers imagining anything that comes anywhere near "Kat is gay" firing torpedoes like it was the end of the world. (I'm tempted to write a short about a battle between a battleship and a submarine... or perhaps bomber planes? I dunno, what would represent an anti-shipper?)
Anyways, I kinda like the thought of Coyote's tooth coming into play here. However I doubt it's present. But if Kat and Annie's tests found it to be really damn sharp, and it's got etheric connections, I bet it could cut through that bone like it was Robot.
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Post by davidm on May 29, 2012 18:22:59 GMT
"Even if we get some kind of amazing twist that makes him out to be an OK guy."
Why does it take amazing twist? When his wife was dying he spent all his energy trying to save her life. Now he may be spending all his energy trying to save his daughter's life.
Having a narrow focus/viewpoint is common theme in this comic, doesn't make all those that do automatically evil. Some of them may be wrong of course.
Her father may see himself as having no other option then to work in secret, if he told his daughter or anyone else then the forces opposed would stop him, and his daughter would die like her mother, and her daughter later would also die from the "family curse".
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In the old historic view, everyone had a sort of similar role, there was one guy who disagreed strongly with the court dealings with Jeanne, etc.
We don't know what the court is doing now, they are gathering up energy in way that Jones does not know final goal, they have some sort of goal that may have questionable ethics which may also be affecting father...
We really don't know enough in my opinion to judge anyone or their motives.
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Post by davidm on May 29, 2012 18:34:55 GMT
"Humans are sexual creatures." Dogs are even more so. Irrefutable proof: "Eglamore you hound" (if father of child), Coyote can't lie and this proves that dogs are obsessed with sex even more than humans. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=275 (many other examples could be given of the sexual lusting of Renard and Coyote for fiery red-heads!) Ysengrin is clearly madly in love with Coyote. He even says every gift of coyotes is perfect. And you can see the confused sexual tension in all his dealings with Coyote, and how protective he is when coyote is slapped. Does Coyote love him back? We should discuss! ;P (Another theory: We know that Coyote had shadow children, and that coyotes and wolves can breed to make *sometimes* viable offspring, perhaps Coyote is really secretly a female and Ysengrin was her ex, and Ysengrin is the father of the shadow people who were really just a mutation/accident of procreation gone wrong when the genes are so far apart between magical dogs.)
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Post by negativeproximity on May 29, 2012 19:23:07 GMT
davidm, I think I love you.
I don't think coyote knows what it means to truly love somebody, he's too manipulative. Ysengrin is only going to be more and more hurt if their relationship develops.
Considering Ysengrin's personality though, he probably wouldn't mind.
It makes the scenario far more poignant if we consider that the one of the two Coyote's really interested in, would be Renardine. A driving factor in the Reynardine Ysengrin Rivalry.
Reynardine obviously doesn't really care for Coyote that way though. He's still caught up on humans, and is infatuated with Annie. This is why Coyote's gives her so much attention, because he's miffed that the one he really wants (renard) cares so much for her, so Coyote's doing his best to steal her away from him.
(The Tic-tocs belong to Anthony.)
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Post by briarme on May 29, 2012 19:27:18 GMT
In regards to the turn this thread has taken: I'm exiting lurker mode to point out that not a single person (at least that I noticed), at any point during the 76 posts in this thread thus far has asserted that Kat is into Annie or even that they would like to see Kat and Annie together as a couple in the future (in other words: shipping). People have speculated about Kat's almost-caress (completely understandable, since it was given 3 panels and a close-up), but absolutely nobody has claimed that it definitively meant romantic affection. The ones among you who are claiming drooling perverts/stupid shippers are stirring up trouble for no reason. You're reacting to something that isn't happening in this thread and derailing the analysis.
In regards to the comic itself: I love Headpidgeon and how it was used here—sort of touching that Kat would loathe Annie's dad so much, and sad that Annie's stepped in so unfailingly every time the issue's came up and defended him.
It's interesting that HP was given "..." as dialogue in the 5th panel, when thus far s/he'd just say whatever Kat was thinking. Probably just a way for Tom to hide his hand, but it could also suggest just how far Kat's keeping any thoughts in this department under wraps. Too ashamed of the almost-touch to even let herself acknowledge it, much less Zimmy?
I'm also surprised Zimmy's going to actually use her abilities on purpose. I didn't know she could.
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Post by TBeholder on May 29, 2012 19:29:11 GMT
You appeared to be siding with This conversation is absurd. What I see, is anti-shippers imagining anything that comes anywhere near If it doesn't even go beyond that... I am terribly sorry. It's one thing to argue with people who talk as if they are twelve, but shooting fish in the barrel from the same barrel is entirely another. I promise to - from now on - try doing my part in keeping the forum clean by answering only to the people who at very least appear to be capable of reading what is written in the lines, whether or not they are trying to read between. Jones did once say that Zimmy interacted with the ether in a similar way to Reynard or coyote. Maybe she's an artificial human equivalent? That is, an archetype/mythical human creature? I can't think of any. Except maybe anime "Armageddon Grade Little Girl" archetype. supports the idea that she is at any rate, very powerful when she's in control. Well, obviously, but since she never is in control even enough to keep her bugs and nobodies away... Why does it take amazing twist? When his wife was dying he spent all his energy trying to save her life. Now he may be spending all his energy trying to save his daughter's life. While it would be a fairly good twist, it doesn't look like this. Moreover, it runs off exactly the same cliff as "Evil Tony Threatening The Earth From His Moon Base On The Moon With Bonelasers!" Here, at its most concise. He's a surgeon, not a magic-user more qualified than Anja. Or at all.
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Post by Lightice on May 29, 2012 19:45:26 GMT
While it would be a fairly good twist, it doesn't look like this. Moreover, it runs off exactly the same cliff as "Evil Tony Threatening The Earth From His Moon Base On The Moon With Bonelasers!" Here, at its most concise. He's a surgeon, not a magic-user more qualified than Anja. Or at all. Since Anthony was a student at the Court, he must have had some sort of skills that they found valuable. For now I'm imagining him as very much like a Kat of medicine. Kat built an anti-gravity unit 12-years old with no etheric powers at all, as you may recall. We have no immediate reason to doubt Zimmy of his involvement; she would have no reason to bring him up at all, if he wasn't somehow related to what's happening. As for the other matter, you may want to look into the clarity of your own statements, and use less provocative language if you want to get any meaningful points across. Blind shipping is stupid, and some individuals on this forum were really idiotic about the subject during the Chapter 34, but it's no less stupid to immediately blame people of the said offense over speculating something that is actually happening in the story.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 29, 2012 22:05:43 GMT
As for the other matter, you may want to look into the clarity of your own statements, and use less provocative language if you want to get any meaningful points across. Blind shipping is stupid, and some individuals on this forum were really idiotic about the subject during the Chapter 34, but it's no less stupid to immediately blame people of the said offense over speculating something that is actually happening in the story. Now now chillins, lets not fight about jpgs on the intertubes. Either Kat is a level 99 Lesbian Sorcerer, or she aint, and until Tom see's fit to address said shenanigans there aint much use in speculating. At least, that's my humble opinion.
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Post by todd on May 29, 2012 22:12:30 GMT
Oh, Zimmy, here's a thought: find out what Anthony's doing before you undo it. It's not smart to grab a surgeon's scalpel in the middle of an operation, even if you disagree with it. I felt concerned about Zimmy's action for the same reason, but I don't think it would do much good to point that out to her. As long as the person being operated on isn't Gamma (and it clearly isn't), I don't think she'd care what happened to him or her.
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Post by Lightice on May 29, 2012 22:43:22 GMT
Now now chillins, lets not fight about jpgs on the intertubes. Either Kat is a level 99 Lesbian Sorcerer, or she aint, and until Tom see's fit to address said shenanigans there aint much use in speculating. At least, that's my humble opinion. "Wait and see" has been my policy from the start, and I don't see any potential scenario unappealing, as long as the character devolopment is handled properly. I am annoyed, however, by people who dismiss Kat's character arc entirely because they dislike the thought of lesbian Kat, never mind that it's in no way confirmed that that's where the development will even lead. I likewise dislike the mislead minority chrusaders who take all opinions or plot-development against the possibility as a personal, homophobic insult, but fortunately I haven't seen such an opinion since Chapter 34, when I was still just lurking around. Either way, arrogant, dismissive attitude and insistence that there's only one true answer is the thing that gets on my nerves. The character development of the main characters is what drew me to this comic to begin with, and regardless of the outcomes, it's the thing that appeals me the most. Dismissing it all over some agenda or other feels downright insulting.
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Post by bonestheheretic on May 29, 2012 23:20:23 GMT
lightice, I think I love you. Though I do disagree with "wait and see"/ "ain't much use in speculating". What would be the point of the forums, especially the page-specific threads, without speculation? Us all just sitting around talking about how we really like how Tom draws hands? Gunnerkrigg is fantastic for speculation. We speculate every time we wonder how Zimmy seems so proficient with her powers, or why Jones can punch out walls, or if Anthony is a bad guy, or when we were all wondering what would happen to Shadow when he was pried up from the floor.
Speculation is huge part of what makes reading this comic fun. Speculation is why we still think about the most recent page after we've closed the tab. Just because a subject is 'touchy' or 'divisive', we all suddenly should try not to think about it until Tom gives us the answer? No. Speculation is awesome. It's just dumb arguments and name-calling that should be avoided, and they can be avoided. While people in this thread and previous ones have disagreed over Kat's sexual orientation, or the significance of it, whatever it is, or whether it even bothers her at all, I haven't seen any real fights about it.
Sure, it comes up a lot. People say the same thing over and over again. But is that really a reason to quit thinking about it completely?
The issue is with people saying definitively what is the 'right' answer, or the 'best' answer, not people speculating over what could be.
Err, sorry if I sound like I'm picking on you, tattat44. I just suddenly felt motivated to post, which happens very very rarely indeed, so I mighta gone a bit overboard...
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Post by GK Sierra on May 30, 2012 0:25:53 GMT
Err, sorry if I sound like I'm picking on you, tattat44. I just suddenly felt motivated to post, which happens very very rarely indeed, so I mighta gone a bit overboard... Not at all me amigo, you're spot on. When I said there "wasn't much use in speculating" I was just pointing out that guessing where Tom is going to go next is a bit of a long shot, taking into account the whole track record. It is super fun though, you're right, and I wouldn't post here if I thought it wasn't. I just think it's a little silly to cross swords over something we have close to zero control over, whatever our theories and evidence. edit: On this subject, my sig is not unrelated
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Post by Marnath on May 30, 2012 2:02:44 GMT
It's not just Paz that thinks Kat might be gay. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=959I think it's significant that he says that, since unless she told him about what Paz said, he came up with the idea independently. As for shipping/anti-shipping, I think you guys need to calm down some. It's not worth getting so riled up about. For my part, I think Kat is probably Bisexual and Annie is probably Asexual. I could be wrong.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 30, 2012 2:56:25 GMT
It's not just Paz that thinks Kat might be gay. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=959I think it's significant that he says that, since unless she told him about what Paz said, he came up with the idea independently. As for shipping/anti-shipping, I think you guys need to calm down some. It's not worth getting so riled up about. For my part, I think Kat is probably Bisexual and Annie is probably Asexual. I could be wrong. See, I don't want to throw my hat into the ring on this issue, but when strips like this exist... ...it's really hard not to. I just can't see this being something Tom does just to screw with us, it's not his style. The last thing we saw that was completely insignificant to the story was the paintings/story arc he decided not to pursue. I guess the best we can do is say its significant but we don't know how yet. Perhaps there's a cleverer solution that we haven't considered yet, but I just can't see it from here.
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Post by arf on May 30, 2012 3:27:28 GMT
Zimmy vs Anthony, with Annie as the playing field; this could get ugly!
I'm thinking that the robots can see the head pigeon. *That's* why Kat is like an angel to them (and why we have a pigeon-crested chapter called 'Divine'). Which doesn't explain why we see it *now*!?
(I'm also thinking that all speculation now is like unto a pre-dawn dew...)
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Post by TBeholder on May 30, 2012 3:27:44 GMT
As long as the person being operated on isn't Gamma (and it clearly isn't), I don't think she'd care what happened to him or her. Nah, of course Zimmy lost interest even in Jack the moment her runaway critter was squashed, but she treats "Carver" as something more than yet another empty place. Probably it's mainly because Annie tried to help Gamma back then, but she still somewhat cares. I think it's significant that he says that, since unless she told him about what Paz said, he came up with the idea independently. Who, him? He's simply into it - and quite honest about this. ;D Zimmy vs Anthony, with Annie as the playing field; this could get ugly! Well, yeah. I'm thinking that the robots can see the head pigeon. *That's* why Kat is like an angel to them (and why we have a pigeon-crested chapter called 'Divine'). A cool hypothesis! " *A HUMAN GIRL IS GUARDING THE SHRINE. I SAW A BIRD ON HER HEAD, BUT NOT VIA MY VIDEO SENSORS.*" They are IC technology version of golems, after all.
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