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Post by rinabean on May 28, 2012 13:43:07 GMT
EDIT: Incidentally, I wonder why no-one has thought to ask help from the Forest. Coyote is unpredictable as all hell, but he likes Annie and having her lie still all the time isn't very fun. He might be able to send someone who could help... Annie is friends with Coyote, but no-one else at the court is. I'm sure the Donlans, Eglamore and even Jones are very upset about the state Annie's in, but to summon help from the forest would be overstepping their bounds, I think. Do the higher-ups care enough about Annie to step in? I'm not sure. Probably it depends on whether or not they've caught wind of her being much more of a troublemaker than even her mother, what with her investigation into Jeanne's death and everything. I've never known this to be true with girls, especially girls who are long-time close friends. Which is why I never fail to be confounded when people on the internet talk as though it were. It depends on the girls. Kat's peptalk to Paz was just ordinary and friendly, but Paz didn't see it that way, did she? So now Kat is going to be awkward about the smallest things, like her great new haircut or touching Annie
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Post by negativeproximity on May 28, 2012 14:31:48 GMT
I've never known this to be true with girls, especially girls who are long-time close friends. Which is why I never fail to be confounded when people on the internet talk as though it were. Now with guys, yes. But neither of these "couples" are male. And... yeah, I'll stop there before we have a conversation we don't want to have. I just wanted to chime in that my entire post was type with my tongue placed firmly in cheek. Half of the things I say on the internets I don't actually mean, and the other half I only half mean.
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Post by paxjax123 on May 28, 2012 14:51:08 GMT
You guys really want there to be a lot of sexuality in this comic. Like a lot. Um, no. Try again? Nah, they do. Trust me. Like every thread.
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Post by negativeproximity on May 28, 2012 14:53:21 GMT
Yeah, that's the impression I get too.
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Post by TBeholder on May 28, 2012 14:55:24 GMT
Oh, Zimmy, here's a thought: find out what Anthony's doing before you undo it. It's not smart to grab a surgeon's scalpel in the middle of an operation, even if you disagree with it. Well, yeah. There's a lot of "not smart" things going on, probably the chain reaction starting with Anthony and Annie. And it's pretty amazing what a huge discussion a simple hand-gesture can cause in the forums. Shippers be shippers... arr, man the torpedoes! ;D Coyote is unpredictable as all hell, but he likes Annie and having her lie still all the time isn't very fun. He might be able to send someone who could help... Probably covered by sets "don't trust him", "remember the fool always messes up" and "unaware of such option".
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Post by GK Sierra on May 28, 2012 15:14:52 GMT
straight friends aren't allowed to touch eachother. Ever. They can only stand next to eachother awkwardly. They are not allowed to worry about eachother, hug, or pat one another on the head. (back can be okay sometimes, but not lower back or rear end. And only for brief periods of time, during a moment of extreme excitement or levity.) they're also not allowed to look at eachother, especially in the eyes. It's hard to be a straight person. You know, I've found in my travels that the only people who get as uncomfortable with another dude close to them as Americans are the Australians, and I personally believe this is just because they like personal space, rather than because they are not secure in their sexuality. My old group of friends dealt in bro-hugs when they were appropriate, and there was no shortage of platonic laying on of hands, although mostly to tease and cause some sort of injury . In Europe, the Middle East, and... heck, pretty much everywhere, I've lost track of how often I encountered two or three perfectly straight guys walking down the street holding hands. Now, I don't really have any compulsion to hold my best friend's hand (its like a fricken sweaty trash can lid, it would engulf my spidery little grabber), but I must say it seems like an enlightened way to live. Nah, they do. Trust me. Like every thread. Humans are sexual creatures. If Tom thinks (which I don't believe he does, he just gets tired of certain 'themes' being beaten raw when he isn't addressing them) that he has created a comic divorced from this reality of human experience, he is simply mistaken.
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Post by Lightice on May 28, 2012 15:31:21 GMT
In Southern Europe, probably. Here in the north that would be pretty unusual. Americans tend to be pretty touchy-feely from our perspective.
Zimmy looks pretty beaten up in the last two panels, by the way. The time away from Gamma may be starting to take its toll on her. She's starting to sweat and all. Here's for hoping that Gamma knows when it's time to get back.
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Post by Kriselia on May 28, 2012 15:40:48 GMT
I think the discussion of Kat's sexuality/insecurity/self censoring is very relevant in this particular chapter, what with Zimmy taunting her and the head pigeon and all. Besides, today's strip seems to have her mindlessly reaching over to brush some hair off her face then suddenly go all "Abort mission!" mid-movement and pretty much sit on her hands. That is so awkward it might send her into an etheric coma of awkwardness. In Southern Europe, probably. Here in the north that would be pretty unusual. Americans tend to be pretty touchy-feely from our perspective. Hah, you beat me to the punch, I was just about to say the same thing
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Post by mcbibble on May 28, 2012 15:59:27 GMT
I think the discussion of Kat's sexuality/insecurity/self censoring is very relevant in this particular chapter, what with Zimmy taunting her and the head pigeon and all. Besides, today's strip seems to have her mindlessly reaching over to brush some hair off her face then suddenly go all "Abort mission!" mid-movement and pretty much sit on her hands. That is so awkward it might send her into an etheric coma of awkwardness. EDIT: I concur. Anyway, what we're mostly seeing is that kat is a good kid with decent emotional control and tact. It sucks to be her right now, but I'm sure she'll figure it out and be more awesome than before, whatever the outcome. I kind of expect Zimmy to give her a smack upside the head for being cold to her main babe, though. Zimmy knows the importance of friendship! 2nd edit: also, Tom draws hands good. It's just something I've been noticing. When I'm drawing the characters all have ridiculous finger-clouds where hands should be, and I can never pose them naturally. It's a real skill, laughing on line etc.
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Post by nero on May 28, 2012 16:28:13 GMT
It could go either way that Zimmy may be interfering with Anthony who could be fixing his mistake. Or it could be that the bone spikes are holding up the fire elemental that would otherwise fall. Meaning he's preventing Annie from dying from someone's else attack on her. Perhaps Anthony is finding a way to resurrect Surma, after all its been 10 years or so since Donny has seen Anthony. People can change especially after a loved one's death.
On another note: I hope that when Annie wakes up Kat will get over her troubles and be there as her friend, because whatever happens Annie will need her. In fact Kat isn't just a friend or sister to Annie, she can also be a sort of mother figure to Annie. When I saw panels 3 and 4 I was reminded of my own mother. You know how she always fixes up your hair when its out of place. Maybe you can see this page in another way, where Kat is not sure of filling in that mother role. Remember that in their summer vacation Kat didn't send pictures of her parents to spare Annie's feelings. So being affectionate with Annie can also be a reminder to Annie of Surma.
I think I went off the point I was trying to make.
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Post by classyrobot on May 28, 2012 16:31:08 GMT
Regardless of which was Kat swings, I do think she's really insecure/confused about her feelings for Annie. As a lady who likes other ladies, I can totally relate to how she's acting... when I was still in the closet and accidentally let it slip that I *might* be into girls, I suddenly became hyper self-conscious of every interaction I had with girls and how it could be perceived by other people. Totally did the girly-ing myself up thing too, haha. Either way, poor Kat.
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Post by crater on May 28, 2012 18:01:44 GMT
that's a good idea Zimmy, nothing could possibly go wrong
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Post by Marnath on May 28, 2012 18:54:04 GMT
At least we don't have to worry about Zimmy making fun of her. She may have went through the same confusion when she realized she had feelings for Gamma. Haha, I'm sure that notions of "appropriate" human sexuality never once crossed Zimmy's mind. Honestly I'm not sure that she and gamma are a couple in that sense, it's just that's what people tend to lable them as because they have no frame of reference for what gamma actually is to Zimmy, which seems to be at least partly parental as well as providing a functional service as vital as breathing. Of course, they could be together together on top of that, but as with robot and shadow, I'm not sure human norms are applicable here. Jack seems pretty sure. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=930Oh, and they've both mentioned that they love each other. I know there's more than one kind of love, but romantic love is one of them.
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Post by superstarletce on May 28, 2012 19:14:41 GMT
straight friends aren't allowed to touch eachother. Ever. They can only stand next to eachother awkwardly. They are not allowed to worry about eachother, hug, or pat one another on the head. (back can be okay sometimes, but not lower back or rear end. And only for brief periods of time, during a moment of extreme excitement or levity.) I've never known this to be true with girls, especially girls who are long-time close friends. Which is why I never fail to be confounded when people on the internet talk as though it were. Now with guys, yes. But neither of these "couples" are male. And... yeah, I'll stop there before we have a conversation we don't want to have. You're right, a lot of ladies are super touchy with each other- honestly that made same-sex friendships real scary for me as a teenager. I've never been afraid of what strangers and casual acquaintances might think of my lack of definitive sexual orientation (fuck 'em, not their business anyway), but for a long time I was terrified that I might lose some of my closest ladyfriends if I got too touchy-feely and skeeved them out. Heck, I've been friends with my main babes for years and that still worries me sometimes. Anyway, I keep thinking to myself that Tom must have gone through all this at some point, too, 'cause this storyline is so perfect and touching it hurts.
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Post by mcbibble on May 28, 2012 19:19:55 GMT
Haha, I'm sure that notions of "appropriate" human sexuality never once crossed Zimmy's mind. Honestly I'm not sure that she and gamma are a couple in that sense, it's just that's what people tend to lable them as because they have no frame of reference for what gamma actually is to Zimmy, which seems to be at least partly parental as well as providing a functional service as vital as breathing. Of course, they could be together together on top of that, but as with robot and shadow, I'm not sure human norms are applicable here. Jack seems pretty sure. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=930Oh, and they've both mentioned that they love each other. I know there's more than one kind of love, but romantic love is one of them. Oh, don't mistake me, I don't mean to devalue their importance to each other. Also, Gamma is canonically the only person Zimmy could ever love, it doesn't get bigger than that... anyway, I like em so much I fanarted. gunnerkrigg.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=downloadattachmentpage&board=general&thread=21&post=67368As for today's issue... Zimmy is kinda on top of things at the moment! Which is nice, but makes me kinda nervous.
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Post by TheLaughingMan on May 28, 2012 21:22:26 GMT
Kat has her priorities straight, here's no doubt. /ba dum tsh
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on May 29, 2012 1:00:42 GMT
Or, you know, she could have hesitated because she didn't want to disturb Annie. Who is slowly dieing in the hospital bed.
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Post by Lightice on May 29, 2012 1:18:59 GMT
Or, you know, she could have hesitated because she didn't want to disturb Annie. Who is slowly dieing in the hospital bed. Moving a little hair doesn't disturb someone who is comatose. It's pretty clear that Kat interrupted her gesture because she realized that Zimmy was looking. She's gotten very self-conscious recently, as we've seen a couple of times now. There's no wasted space in a comic book; every gesture and action has some meaning.
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Post by rafk on May 29, 2012 1:25:45 GMT
Law of Unintended Consequences about to apply in 3, 2, 1....
PS: I'm still sure Anthony, however lacking in human warmth and parenting skills, loves Annie and doesn't intend to hurt her. In the long term. PPS: Female friends touch each other. Every show of affection from Kat towards Annie doesn't necessarily imply anything sexual. Enough already. I agree it probably shows Kat is still self-conscious after the thing with Paz, but no more than that. PPPS: The head pigeon is the best comedic device of the year and I really hope we see it again after this chapter. I would just adore seeing Zimmmyvision of Jones with a head pigeon (or whatever Jones' head animal would be).
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Post by Lightice on May 29, 2012 1:40:58 GMT
PPS: Female friends touch each other. Every show of affection from Kat towards Annie doesn't necessarily imply anything sexual. Enough already. I agree it probably shows Kat is still self-conscious after the thing with Paz, but no more than that. Is it just me or are the shippers and anti-shippers obsessed with repeating the obvious over and over again by now? No, Kat isn't meaning her gesture to be in any way sexual -- at least that would be extremely improbable and uncharacteristic of her. She is afraid that others will interpret it as such. She also appears to have personal insecurities resulting from Paz's misinterpretation. Just how she deals with them and what the outcome will be are undoubtedly important parts of her character development in the coming months, but we can't know just what comes of it. What is almost certain is that the issue won't just be forgotten in the wayside, but treated with seriousness that it deserves now that it's brought up. No, there is no proof of Kat being gay, so far. There is also no proof that her insecurities amount to nothing. We'll have to wait and see to make sense of a matter she herself hasn't even figured out, yet. What is certain that all this development is not meaningless. It is vital character development, no matter what direction it will go. Please, people on either side of the fence, stop claiming that it has all been dealt with when it hasn't.
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Post by ischaldirh on May 29, 2012 1:44:02 GMT
Every show of affection from Kat towards Annie doesn't necessarily imply anything sexual. Enough already. I agree it probably shows Kat is still self-conscious after the thing with Paz, but no more than that. The first and last parts I agree with. However, I don't see a problem with discussing it - after all, there's a difference between romance and sex; this comic has one and not the other. I would just adore seeing Zimmmyvision of Jones with a head pigeon (or whatever Jones' head animal would be). Jones's head animal would be a pet rock.
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Post by faythofdragons on May 29, 2012 1:52:04 GMT
I would just adore seeing Zimmmyvision of Jones with a head pigeon (or whatever Jones' head animal would be). Jones's head animal would be a pet rock. Nah, Jones' head animal would be boxbot.
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Post by joephlommin on May 29, 2012 1:54:10 GMT
Jones's head animal would be a pet rock. Nah, Jones' head animal would be boxbot. What?! Jones brain is not Terrible!
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Post by catgirl26 on May 29, 2012 2:02:46 GMT
Nah, Jones' head animal would be boxbot. What?! Jones brain is not Terrible! I like to think that Jones' head animal would just be a miniature Jones.
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Post by TheLaughingMan on May 29, 2012 2:47:55 GMT
What?! Jones brain is not Terrible! I like to think that Jones' head animal would just be a miniature Jones. Really? Because you'd think a talking party hat would be the obvious choice.
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Post by rafk on May 29, 2012 3:42:44 GMT
I like to think that Jones' head animal would just be a miniature Jones. Really? Because you'd think a talking party hat would be the obvious choice. We need some photoshops of this, pronto.
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Post by rafk on May 29, 2012 3:52:01 GMT
EDIT: Incidentally, I wonder why no-one has thought to ask help from the Forest. Coyote is unpredictable as all hell, but he likes Annie and having her lie still all the time isn't very fun. He might be able to send someone who could help... Annie is friends with Coyote After the whole "if you tell anyone in the forest about the tooth, even Ysengrin, this binding will cut off your hand" business?Probably not so much anymore. You know, there's still no reason given why Coyote prevented Annie telling anyone in the forest about the tooth (but did not prevent her telling people in the Court- including Renard). It must logically have some significance (and yes, I know, applying logic to Coyote is an iffy science). It's not impossible that this is where the tooth comes in to things... somehow... besides as a robot-body-maiming instrument of chaos.
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Post by warrl on May 29, 2012 6:03:57 GMT
Are worries about being labeled gay stopping Kat from expressing her worry for Antimony naturally? So tragic. I think you are precisely correct - "worried about being labeled gay". I don't think Kat is in much doubt about her own sexual preference. Maybe a tiny bit, but ONLY that. Certainly Annie has no doubt that Kat is hetero. But Kat is rather concerned about how others see her. That has been shown several times.
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Post by GK Sierra on May 29, 2012 6:08:28 GMT
Really? Because you'd think a talking party hat would be the obvious choice. We need some photoshops of this, pronto. "I saw an opportunity" thread is waaaaay ahead of you dude
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Post by negativeproximity on May 29, 2012 6:24:02 GMT
you know, it's times like these I start to miss the lighthearted storylines that used to take place towards the beginning chapters of the comic.
Though I guess the intricate nature of an increasingly complex world is only going to get more so as characters age.
In any case, I do like some of the light hearted arcs towards the beginning.
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