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Post by Goatmon on May 4, 2011 13:43:58 GMT
Well in that particular case, they do have one very major thing in common: they live together. Without common interests/hobbies or living situations like that, it's pretty easy for friends to drift apart. For instance, how many of your friends from primary/secondary school do you still regularly hang out with? Or even have any kind of regular contact with at all? At least in my experience, it's a pretty small number :/ Well, they're both girls of the same age, in the same school and the same class. They're both somewhat outcasts due to their different skills. Annie does not share Kat's interest in robots but she seems to enjoy spending time with Kat while she's working. Kat doesn't share Annie's etheric talents/interests but she's there with Annie when she works on that, too. The most important thing they have in common is they like each other. They're both major weirdos who are used to strange things, and have open minds. Kat less so, as she didn't grow up surrounded by ghosts, and doesn't posses magical talent, but they're still both very good at what they do, and their skills compliment each other very well. They're both constantly surprising each other, but a growing difference between them is Annie's temperament and her growing difficulty in keeping her normal life stuff in check with everything else. She's becoming more and more skilled at magical abilities, but she's always had difficulty dealing with normal people. Kat is definitely a scientist, and as such she has loads of patience, which is a big reason why she's exactly the friend that Annie really needs right now. If it weren't for Kat, Annie really wouldn't have any personal ties to the court. Her mother's gone and her father is nowhere to be found, and she's learned that the place she'd come to know as home has been deceiving her and her friends. She really, REALLY needs Kat right now, no matter how confident she may seem. By that same token, Annie needs to start being a better friend. Kat's never been anything but loyal and trustworthy, and she deserves better than her best friend copying her homework without her permission, and then disappearing for months without a word of explanation, regardless of Annie's reasons.
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Post by jayne on May 4, 2011 13:50:30 GMT
OGee... I guess the chapter title may be in play now.. they both have to 'give and take' a bit.
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Post by q3 on May 4, 2011 13:52:00 GMT
So... does this mean Ysengrin can fly? Because I'd kind of like to see a flying wolf tree. That would be neat.
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Post by smjjames on May 4, 2011 14:09:42 GMT
So... does this mean Ysengrin can fly? Because I'd kind of like to see a flying wolf tree. That would be neat. Here's a flying wolf tree, sortof.
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Post by q3 on May 4, 2011 14:11:28 GMT
"Okay, Kat, now see Coyote smacking yourself across the room."
"Hmm..."
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Post by TBeholder on May 4, 2011 14:14:52 GMT
Is Kat even gonna be able to do this? She hasn't got any supernatural powers that we've seen (with the possible exception of her genius scientific/engineering skills), so it seems somewhat unlikely to me. She didn't try. But after all she is Anja's daughter and at their age Anja was rather powerful. If such things are hereditary, Kat have at least something in her... Sounds to me like Annie learned to do magic without her blinker stone. Can't know for sure yet. Well, it's just an amplifier, so considering what she's able to do with it, she got to be capable of at least few tricks without. Is this Kat's father using an etheric spell, too? It's a device (see "Blinking"). They're both somewhat outcasts due to their different skills. Not due to skills, due to their descent (though in different ways). OGee... I guess the chapter title may be in play now.. they both have to 'give and take' a bit. Or both cannot settle on "...give or take"? So... does this mean Ysengrin can fly? Because I'd kind of like to see a flying wolf tree. That would be neat. You missed the part about wings. It's important. A flying wolf tree with wings.
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Post by Eversist on May 4, 2011 14:20:34 GMT
I don't think Kat and Annie has much in common before... I mean, think about it. Whenever they hang out, they talk about Reynard, Annie's parents, a crazy happen-stance that occurred, other supporting cast members... What they have in common is their experiences. Just because they spent a few months apart, Annie has finally come out of her shell a bit, and Annie is trying to teach Kat magic that she possibly can't do/doesn't feel comfortable attempting, doesn't spell automatic doom for the relationship.
Also: Kat is a robot. She can't use magic. :V
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Post by smjjames on May 4, 2011 14:31:14 GMT
Is Kat even gonna be able to do this? She hasn't got any supernatural powers that we've seen (with the possible exception of her genius scientific/engineering skills), so it seems somewhat unlikely to me. She didn't try. But after all she is Anja's daughter and at their age Anja was rather powerful. If such things are hereditary, Kat have at least something in her... I agree here, theres been speculation that she might have water elemental in her due to her association with the moon and water in the treatises. I think Tom may have said something about the powers largely being inherited, although I suppouse some genetic mutation could allow a child in a family that normally isn't etherically inclined to have etheric abilities. That aside, Kat seems to have inherited both of her parents prowess with technology, so she could very well have latent etheric abilities. Edit: I know fire and water have traditionally been opposite and conflicting elements, but under the right conditions, they are very powerful, one example would be volcanoes and water.
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Post by Tobu Ishi on May 4, 2011 18:09:44 GMT
Is it just me, or have the last few chapters' page threads been full of dire predictions that this, this, is the fateful moment when Annie and Kat's friendship will founder on the rocks of...whatever challenge is being posed at the moment? Seriously, guys. Chill. They're BFFs, and until there's an obvious sign that they are actively disliking each other, it seems a bit hasty to start questioning that. Especially over something like Annie coming into her powers. Nobody made dire predictions of the end of their friendship when Kat started making really excellent robots, yes? Anyway, it's always seemed to me that one of the big points Tom has been making in the comic overall is that there is no "intrinsic divide" between Court and Forest, just this big rift caused by some trouble in the past that may actually need healing. Look at Anya and Donald and their etheric programming. Look at the friendship between Robot and Shadow 2. I could keep naming examples, but honestly, there's no reason why these two very different girls shouldn't continue to be friends.
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Post by Aurelia Verity on May 4, 2011 18:16:50 GMT
Ha, this reminds me of that old Simpsons episode where Lisa is trying to teach Bart meditation:
Lisa: I want you to shut off the logical part of your mind. Bart: Okay. Lisa: Embrace nothingness. Bart: You got it. Lisa: Become like an uncarved stone. Bart: Done. Lisa: Bart, you're just pretending to know what I'm talking about! Bart: True. Lisa: Well, it's very frustrating! Bart: I'll bet.
On that note, It's not unusual for people of different interests and seemingly with little in common to be great friends. in such a case a friendship or a relationship is richer because each person introduces the other to different things that they might not have tried otherwise. originally Annie had little interest in technology and Kat didn't believe in magic but through their friendships their attitude began to change which is fairly normal and welcome especially at their age because it broadens the mind to different ideas.
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Post by zbeeblebrox on May 4, 2011 20:47:06 GMT
Kat is imagining her bones, and doesn't really see the point of that.
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Post by Refugee on May 4, 2011 21:38:51 GMT
"Here, Annie, turnabout and all that: Take this box of junk and build a robot. Close your eyes and feeeeelll your inner engineer. C'mon! It'll be fun! Robots!"
I like the way Annie has gone all borderless and flat in frame 6, an echo of what Kat has been doing.
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Post by TBeholder on May 4, 2011 21:59:02 GMT
Also Toms experiments with the no outlines is getting a little distracting Works for me. Shows when Kat is out of sync with Annie. Kat is imagining her bones, and doesn't really see the point of that. Either this, or Annie's science fair entry. It's sort of written on her face. Then again, "wings" set her on a different route. And she can accidentally click into this again. Is Kat even gonna be able to do this? She hasn't got any supernatural powers that we've seen (with the possible exception of her genius scientific/engineering skills), so it seems somewhat unlikely to me. Except with that pigeon - she had some sort of Blink!-through, which may or may not be it. Judging by the last panel, is more likely than not. And she said she wants to try at least with arcane devices.
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Post by La Goon on May 4, 2011 22:09:45 GMT
Kat is imagining her bones, and doesn't really see the point of that. Or maybe she's thinking "That's not physically possible. Even if my eyes were pointing inwards I wouldn't be able to see anything due to the absence of light!"
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Post by smjjames on May 4, 2011 22:10:18 GMT
[Either this, or Annie's science fair entry. It's sort of written on her face. Then again, "wings" set her on a different route. And she can accidentally click into this again. Is Kat even gonna be able to do this? She hasn't got any supernatural powers that we've seen (with the possible exception of her genius scientific/engineering skills), so it seems somewhat unlikely to me. Except with that pigeon - she had some sort of Blink!-through, which may or may not be it. Judging by the last panel, is more likely than not. And she said she wants to try at least with arcane devices. Offtopic: Tom seriously needs to fix the quoting system because it can't even do more than two nested quotes at a time. end offtopic. I agree with you and zbeeblebrox here. It does seem like she took what Annie said literally and got confused and then started thinking, like she is getting inspiration. Also, in the last panel, she seems to be looking in the direction of the etheric phoenix, but then again, we don't know if she actually can see it or not.
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Post by hal9000 on May 4, 2011 22:56:25 GMT
Is it just me, or have the last few chapters' page threads been full of dire predictions that this, this, is the fateful moment when Annie and Kat's friendship will founder on the rocks of...whatever challenge is being posed at the moment? Seriously, guys. Chill. They're BFFs, and until there's an obvious sign that they are actively disliking each other, it seems a bit hasty to start questioning that. Especially over something like Annie coming into her powers. Nobody made dire predictions of the end of their friendship when Kat started making really excellent robots, yes? Anyway, it's always seemed to me that one of the big points Tom has been making in the comic overall is that there is no "intrinsic divide" between Court and Forest, just this big rift caused by some trouble in the past that may actually need healing. Look at Anya and Donald and their etheric programming. Look at the friendship between Robot and Shadow 2. I could keep naming examples, but honestly, there's no reason why these two very different girls shouldn't continue to be friends. It seems like there's some foreshadowing going on; that "I don't want to kill you" line almost begs for a ", yet." on the end, for instance. Edit: [Either this, or Annie's science fair entry. It's sort of written on her face. Then again, "wings" set her on a different route. And she can accidentally click into this again. Except with that pigeon - she had some sort of Blink!-through, which may or may not be it. Judging by the last panel, is more likely than not. And she said she wants to try at least with arcane devices. Offtopic: Tom seriously needs to fix the quoting system because it can't even do more than two nested quotes at a time. end offtopic. I agree with you and zbeeblebrox here. It does seem like she took what Annie said literally and got confused and then started thinking, like she is getting inspiration. Also, in the last panel, she seems to be looking in the direction of the etheric phoenix, but then again, we don't know if she actually can see it or not. He's not running this forum on his own server; this is proboards, and I don't think the board software they have is user-modifiable to that extent. Could be wrong, though.
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Post by jayne on May 4, 2011 23:30:20 GMT
I'm pretty sure the "el oh el" thing is by Tom's design.
Edit: Yeah, proboards has a lot of customizable settings. If something is labeled a 'censored word', that will be replaced with another word, so you get LAUGHING ON LINE instead of those three letters.
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Post by rainofsteel on May 5, 2011 1:13:52 GMT
Good point. Anja called her necklace a 'soft link', Was I the only one who thought the pattern in the last frame of... www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=518...was the computer? Some type of techno-magical construct on the same level as the projection that was meant to contain Rey?
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Post by jayne on May 5, 2011 1:59:21 GMT
Good point. Anja called her necklace a 'soft link', Was I the only one who thought the pattern in the last frame of... www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=518...was the computer? Some type of techno-magical construct on the same level as the projection that was meant to contain Rey? That's how I see it too. The bismuth symbol is in there... smaller and red while there's a larger symbol above it with the same color as the etheric shield. That might be the symbol for the ether. Anja is wearing a red ring which MIGHT be a mechanical connection of sorts. The sizes are interesting; as big as the court is... is the ether that much bigger? Or maybe the etheric computer uses more ether than mechanical parts.
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Post by fronzel on May 5, 2011 2:53:33 GMT
Bingo. It looks like the Wood vs Court thing may be played out in miniature between these two, without the hostilities of course. Annie is apparently a bad student at the Court, etherically sensitive and loved her time in Gillitie. Kat's a great student, has no etheric leanings whatsoever, and enjoys all the technological stuff in Gunnerkrigg. Wow, how to bridge that divide. Maybe they can get someone who is both a tech wiz and has some etheric talent? This looks like a job for... JACK! Jack's only experience with etheric things is of a sudden, mysterious, aggressive intrusion into his very being that tormented him for weeks (months?).
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Post by TBeholder on May 5, 2011 6:19:17 GMT
Jack's only experience with etheric things is of a sudden, mysterious, aggressive intrusion into his very being that tormented him for weeks (months?). 1) Gamma thinks this little adventure changed him. 2) I think that Jack may have a strong motivation. Knowing you are worth anything only while under control of some non-corporeal brain louse have to be a serious sore spot. Doubly annoying if it also demonstrates how big you can rock. So proving otherwise is important.
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Post by warrl on May 5, 2011 6:54:30 GMT
Anja called her necklace a 'soft link', that's like a house address on a mobile home. You mail a letter to an address, and wherever the mobile home is, it gets there.(Pretend this would actually work) Fortunately for me, it does. Although it's slow and typically costs me about US$3 for a week's worth of mail. The cell phone system, and particularly a cell phone calling a fixed location, would be a better analogy for Anja though. And Tom's choice to use the term "soft link" tells me he probably has a bit of a Unix background. It's a part of the file system, very-roughly analogous to a Windows shortcut but with a much different concept that's too far OT to explain here.
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Post by Gemini Jim on May 5, 2011 6:56:10 GMT
Ha! For the first few panels, I thought Ysengrin had taught her Zen Buddhism. ;D
Also, I've been on both sides of that conversation, and I don't have etheric powers or mad tech skills.
"So, you need to do this, and then you do that and then you yuhunga dunga derr hurr hurr..."
"I'm sorry, what?"
"It's easy. You yuhunga dunga derr hurr hurr..."
" .... ?"
"I'll show you. You yuhunga dunga derr hurr hurr..."
and so on. One would hope their friendship could survive the Gunnerkrigg equivalent of teaching a total klutz how to fold origami, but it does point up one of their major, possibly unbreachable differences.
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Post by warrl on May 5, 2011 7:12:59 GMT
I strongly suspect it is significant that, after the first panel of this page, we don't get a glimpse of what Antimony and Katrina are sitting on. Specifically, I think that by the second or third panel of the next page Kat will be trying very hard to not panic as she notices they are sitting on nothing.
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Post by Gemini Jim on May 5, 2011 7:22:15 GMT
Oh, I hope not. If cartoons (and even Douglas Adams) have taught us anything, it is that people FALL the minute they realize that they are flying, or aren't sitting on anything. Or if they panic. Or realize that's impossible, and so it is.
And the first landing is always hard.
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Post by notacat on May 5, 2011 10:01:21 GMT
ORLY?
So what were you trying to do?
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Post by Per on May 5, 2011 11:41:51 GMT
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Post by zylonbane on May 5, 2011 14:35:30 GMT
ORLY? So what were you trying to do? Don't encourage them. Nested quotes are the worst thing to ever happen to bulletin board software. It's already hard enough to train the world's idiots to trim their quotes.
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Post by oakfang on May 5, 2011 15:14:23 GMT
Reading back on all the posts in this thread I would have to say, friendship is not based around having everything in common. Take me and my best friend for example.
I'm 14, she's 11. She likes loads of pop music, fashion items, movies, TV shows etcetera that I HATE with a passion. We don't really have much in common at all, not even school, because I'm home-educated.
I think Annie and Kat will pull through, they're not weak people. Also, they love each other, that's the most important thing in life, peeps.
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Post by jayne on May 5, 2011 16:45:26 GMT
While I don't like too many nested quotes, occasionally proboards messes up and puts the wrong person as the quotee. There's a quote on the science thread that wasn't by me but it looks like its by me. And I believe the limit to which you can say "that's not my quote" is 1 time before you just look silly.
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