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Post by mechagai on Apr 18, 2011 19:26:01 GMT
It's not Manga related at all. As someone else pointed out, the sketch style was done for Metal Gear Theater 1 and 2. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=441It's a two page spacer with a very short side story to fill some sort of schedule for publishing on the web (the title page will be up on Friday) and also for the book. Come on, I thought Gunnerkrigg fans were a bit more observant than that. I mean, aside from the number of panels, it's nearly identical in set up between the two. The only other difference is that the top panels are switched around in terms of size. I had been wondering when another "theater" thing would show up again, and I am glad it had to do with this movie.
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Post by zylonbane on Apr 18, 2011 19:44:57 GMT
Right, they're obviously both manga inspired.
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Post by bongo on Apr 18, 2011 19:51:58 GMT
My super in-depth analysis of the style of this page and how it relates to other media on a meta-level:
Tom thought to himself "This is just a bonus page, I can't be bothered to colour it properly". Mystery solved.
Also, I love that Annie and Reynard are equally clueless about certain things.
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Post by jayne on Apr 18, 2011 20:08:59 GMT
Right, they're obviously both manga inspired. If you're not familiar with manga or Metal Gear Theater, how can it be obvious? Obvious = Easily perceived or understood; clear, self-evident, or apparent. If I said, "It is difficult to knit with 100% acrylic yarn", its that obvious to someone who doesn't knit or hasn't knitted with 100% acrylic yarn? Edit: Unless there is an implied "<to me>they're obviously both manga inspired." In that case, its a perfectly valid statement.
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Post by zylonbane on Apr 18, 2011 20:13:03 GMT
If I said, "It is difficult to knit with 100% acrylic yarn", its that obvious to someone who doesn't knit or hasn't knitted with 100% acrylic yarn? Anyone not familiar with the subject matter under discussion shouldn't be making claims.
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Post by jayne on Apr 18, 2011 20:15:40 GMT
If I said, "It is difficult to knit with 100% acrylic yarn", its that obvious to someone who doesn't knit or hasn't knitted with 100% acrylic yarn? Anyone not familiar with the subject matter under discussion shouldn't be making claims. Okay, so the person who is familiar with yarn and knitting has made the claim that it is difficult. Is it obvious to someone not familiar? Edit: I'm not sure I understand you correctly. Who's making the claim about what? My point is, you use the word "obviously" a lot... when I don't think the word applies. What's obvious to you may not be obvious to anyone else. Without qualifying "its obvious to me" you're saying its obvious to everyone, which is rarely true. This is a literary criticism and you're a coder so... I'm guessing you couldn't care less.
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Post by bongo on Apr 18, 2011 20:24:19 GMT
Frankly, I don't even think it looks like Manga. 2000AD used to be in black and white too (bits of it still are), but that didn't mean it looked like manga.
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Post by zylonbane on Apr 18, 2011 21:33:56 GMT
Frankly, I don't even think it looks like Manga. 2000AD used to be in black and white too (bits of it still are), but that didn't mean it looked like manga. So you're going to argue that it's just coincidence that both times Tom has used this style it's been applied to Japanese subject matter? Nobody is saying that it looks exactly like manga. Just that it's intended as an homage to it.
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Post by bongo on Apr 18, 2011 22:36:44 GMT
Why would someone draw in a Manga-inspired style to talk about
A: A video game B: An anime.
It's just a non-coloured version of the regular style. If Hiromu Arakawa coloured in a chapter of FMA, that wouldn't immediately make it Western comic styled.
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Post by legion on Apr 18, 2011 23:09:15 GMT
Today's strip is drawn somewhat in the style of a manga comic. No it isn't? Edit: It's drawn in sketches style, without coloring nor inking, but otherwise the style is the same than Tom's usual style.
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Post by smjjames on Apr 18, 2011 23:09:30 GMT
It's just the way that Tom decided to draw those three strips (Metal Gear Theatre and this one), manga inspired style or not.
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Post by jayne on Apr 19, 2011 0:43:43 GMT
I'd have to say this one does seem to be in a particular style... and I'm leaning toward agreeing with Zy that it is manga inspired. The sketch style, the coloring, and discovering Annie asleep in a corner waiting for her... that all adds up to SOMETHING.. then "Man... now I really want some eggs" breaks the spell. So, what's the deal with eggs? Does snake eat them a lot or something?
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Post by QuickStar on Apr 19, 2011 3:13:07 GMT
hehe that's so funny an unexpected I really hope that their is a future spirited away reference
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Post by jandalman on Apr 19, 2011 4:21:06 GMT
Loved this page. Especially since I've recently watched the movie again at a fundraiser for Japan. I also expect Renard to be shown in tears in the next panel, that would make him even more adorable.
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Post by bongo on Apr 19, 2011 7:36:23 GMT
I'd have to say this one does seem to be in a particular style... and I'm leaning toward agreeing with Zy that it is manga inspired. The sketch style, the coloring, and discovering Annie asleep in a corner waiting for her... that all adds up to SOMETHING.. then "Man... now I really want some eggs" breaks the spell. So, what's the deal with eggs? Does snake eat them a lot or something? Firstly, I disagree, and maintain that it's just a sketch style. The colouring is different, but for the most part all the differences between that one page and other sketch pages is due to that one page taking place in a light room. Secondly, one of the side characters of MGS4 is a little girl who enjoys cooking eggs.
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Post by jayne on Apr 19, 2011 11:17:42 GMT
I'd have to say this one does seem to be in a particular style... and I'm leaning toward agreeing with Zy that it is manga inspired. The sketch style, the coloring, and discovering Annie asleep in a corner waiting for her... that all adds up to SOMETHING.. then "Man... now I really want some eggs" breaks the spell. So, what's the deal with eggs? Does snake eat them a lot or something? Firstly, I disagree, and maintain that it's just a sketch style. The colouring is different, but for the most part all the differences between that one page and other sketch pages is due to that one page taking place in a light room. That's fine. In the end, I think its a good effect, whatever the basis. Thanks!
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Post by zylonbane on Apr 19, 2011 12:37:53 GMT
Why would someone draw in a Japanese comic book inspired style to talk about A: A Japanese video game B: A Japanese animated cartoon. Fixed.
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Post by Tom Siddell on Apr 19, 2011 13:49:04 GMT
The page was drawn in the normal style. I just didn't ink or colour it and used hatching to shade it. It's no more or less influenced by manga than the normal way I draw.
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Post by legion on Apr 19, 2011 15:07:02 GMT
Cookie time Thank you Tom
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Post by smjjames on Apr 19, 2011 15:21:44 GMT
The page was drawn in the normal style. I just didn't ink or colour it and used hatching to shade it. It's no more or less influenced by manga than the normal way I draw. There we go, it's just the way Tom decided to draw it. No idea why people got into a silly argument over the manga inspired or not thing.
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Post by jayne on Apr 19, 2011 16:02:37 GMT
Was that an argument? I honestly wasn't upset about it or anything. I thought we were just discussing it. And Thanks Tom! Occationally, I'm clueless about things and I thought I was just missing a reference to something. I was going to say it reminded me of A-Ha's "Take me on" video but I thought no one else would remember that one.
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Post by Ulysses on Apr 19, 2011 17:26:59 GMT
I was going to say it reminded me of A-Ha's "Take me on" video but I thought no one else would remember that one. It's a pretty great video, despite all the terrible hair.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Apr 20, 2011 0:40:55 GMT
ah, I love the irony of a web comic character complaining about one of the classics of animation rotting your brain. although this makes me wonder if Rey knew who Batman and Hellboy were when he was caught playing with them earlier. I'm too lazy to look up the page number [ the art may not be anime-esque or manga-ish, but I do think there's something vaguely familiar about how Annie interacts with all of these (what we would consider to be) mythical creatures. ] EDIT: BTW, there's nothing wrong with using "anime" or "manga" to describe certain styles of animation or comic art. They are Japanese in origin, just as ukiyo is a Japanese style of painting.
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Post by legion on Apr 20, 2011 0:51:10 GMT
EDIT: BTW, there's nothing wrong with using "anime" or "manga" to describe certain styles of animation or comic art. They are Japanese in origin, just as ukiyo is a Japanese style of painting. I wasn't implying there was anything wrong: I read a lot of manga, which is why I was insisting the style of these pages was positively not manga-like.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Apr 20, 2011 2:02:19 GMT
EDIT: BTW, there's nothing wrong with using "anime" or "manga" to describe certain styles of animation or comic art. They are Japanese in origin, just as ukiyo is a Japanese style of painting. I wasn't implying there was anything wrong: I read a lot of manga, which is why I was insisting the style of these pages was positively not manga-like. It's no biggie, I noticed zylonbane "fixed" a reference to manga. I'm fascinated by the degree to which anime and manga has spawned "anime-esque" *cough avatar cough cough* comics, but I also didn't see it here.
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Post by Pete-ohki on Apr 20, 2011 2:45:04 GMT
ah, I love the irony of a web comic character complaining about one of the classics of animation rotting your brain. although this makes me wonder if Rey knew who Batman and Hellboy were when he was caught playing with them earlier. I'm too lazy to look up the page number It's possible that Renard was not commenting or complaining about the actual characters or stories, but the media used. Rey could not get a book, so he will typecast something (video/animation) you don't have to read and comprehend as brain rotting. And Rey probably does not know who Batman, Hellboy, and Mulder are, but he definitely knows that those were toys that were left with him (besides, Kat said they were). That's probably why he was found referring to one of the toys as Profesor Oswald in the "Bonus page 6" at the end of Chapter 6.
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Post by Tierra Y Libertad on Apr 20, 2011 5:58:21 GMT
Liars. There is too a Princess Mononoke book. It's a manga.
This is different, but equal in awesomeness to the Metal Gear Solid predecessors. B/W does not make it more or less manga-ish.
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Post by bongo on Apr 20, 2011 7:17:12 GMT
If you're snobby about books (And Reynardine acts like he is) then manga and comics somehow "don't count". Kat probably just wanted to avoid that argument.
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Post by Pete-ohki on Apr 20, 2011 8:35:29 GMT
This is different, but equal in awesomeness to the Metal Gear Solid predecessors. B/W does not make it more or less manga-ish. Well, it use to be, if a Japanese animation has several sequels/episodes planned, and they want to be taken seriously as an art, they would do the very last episode or sequel in black-n-white; they felt it was more artistic, classical and masterful. Gunbuster comes to mind as an example. So, just think of the b/w GKC pages as an artistic impulse.
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Post by Gemini Jim on Apr 20, 2011 8:51:49 GMT
ah, I love the irony of a web comic character complaining about one of the classics of animation rotting your brain. although this makes me wonder if Rey knew who Batman and Hellboy were when he was caught playing with them earlier. I'm too lazy to look up the page number It's possible that Renard was not commenting or complaining about the actual characters or stories, but the media used. Rey could not get a book, so he will typecast something (video/animation) you don't have to read and comprehend as brain rotting. Heh. I wasn't trying to go that deep. I just like it that Rey, a character in a comic, would complain about the comic format. I added the "classics of animation" bit just to heighten the irony. As of today's comic, Rey looks like he's about to eat his words. EDIT: BTW, while it's true that many people think "black and white is more masterful," I don't understand why people think so — the Three Stooges were in B/W as well as Casablanca. FLCL did scenes in manga-ish B/W to play with and parody the expressions and style of manga.
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