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Post by zylonbane on Mar 11, 2011 20:19:35 GMT
I know I sound hypocritical but maybe the "splish" could be the person who was swimming, and they're coming up to ask Kat what's wrong. How is that being a hypocrite?
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Post by paxjax123 on Mar 11, 2011 20:23:01 GMT
I know I sound hypocritical but maybe the "splish" could be the person who was swimming, and they're coming up to ask Kat what's wrong. How is that being a hypocrite? Earlier, I said, "sometimes a splish is just a splish"
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Post by smjjames on Mar 11, 2011 20:27:50 GMT
By the way: I wonder if they can hang curtains over the port-holes in the girls' dorms with magnets. You can't drill holes in a pressure hull for conventional curtains without dire consequences. That would be a reasonable assumption. How is that being a hypocrite? Earlier, I said, "sometimes a splish is just a splish" I think we're focusing way too much on a splish sound. Even if the splish sound IS the most attention getting part of the page.
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Post by zylonbane on Mar 11, 2011 21:39:07 GMT
Maybe Coyote is swimming around listening in on them.
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Post by jayne on Mar 11, 2011 21:47:27 GMT
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Post by notacat on Mar 11, 2011 22:00:16 GMT
They have dorkfish in the Lake?
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Post by smjjames on Mar 11, 2011 22:10:26 GMT
It's a small fish snapping at an insect on the surface then. Also, I wonder if the catwalk leads to land or it connects to a marina? Given the fact that Annie, Kat, and Renard seem to be the only people around, it's possible that Kat came on her personal craft (DOUBTFUL, but then again, she flew her own hovercraft) or came on a small boat. Maybe Kat has alot of stuff she wanted to get inside before it got real busy. As an aside, anybody know whether the Glass eyed men need to breathe air? Since this is Toms own spin on the Coyote mythology, it's really something only he can answer.
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Post by jayne on Mar 11, 2011 22:18:49 GMT
Also, as an aside, anybody know whether the Glass eyed men need to breathe air? I was wondering if it was Shadow2 but I hadn't thought about him breathing... but if he's the thickness of a shadow, he can't have lungs...so if he does need air, he gets it from his entire surface... and could probably draw it from the water like a fishes gills. Or he could just be swimming... if its him at all!
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Post by smjjames on Mar 11, 2011 22:25:15 GMT
Also, as an aside, anybody know whether the Glass eyed men need to breathe air? I was wondering if it was Shadow2 but I hadn't thought about him breathing... but if he's the thickness of a shadow, he can't have lungs...so if he does need air, he gets it from his entire surface... and could probably draw it from the water like a fishes gills. Or he could just be swimming... if its him at all! It was just a thought I had, didn't really have anything to do with the splish sound. If air is required, Shadow2 is certainly thin enough to just use his entire surface through gas exchange. Oh yea, we have yet to see how he (or Shadow Men in general) treats liquid as a surface or as a medium.
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Post by thor on Mar 11, 2011 23:17:33 GMT
This is a good thing. Maybe instead of having this pal that she takes for granted, maybe Antimony will learn a few social skills, figure out why Smitface and Parley might have had better things to do at that one moment, and do her own damn homework.
All her life, she's had either her mother at her elbow, or Kat and/or Rey to act as back-up. The summer in the woods was good because she had to deal with allies that were unreliable. Now she might have to learn how to do the hard things -- the things that don't come easily to her -- without someone to kiss it better when she falls down and scrapes her knee.
This is only undercut because she now has more assurance of Rey's loyalty. Still there should be more of a chance that she will learn how not to be such a hard friend to have.
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Post by paxjax123 on Mar 11, 2011 23:21:33 GMT
Speaking of those other characters. I'm wondering when we'll see Robot, Shadow, and Mort next. We haven't seen Mort for 300 pages!
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Post by todd on Mar 11, 2011 23:24:53 GMT
Literary economy states that if you're going to put in a "splash", it should be important to the story.
On the other hand, Tom's included several details that weren't important to the story (such as hommages to various pop culture elements). I remember a panel in Chapter Thirteen where Annie, Kat, and Ally were leaving the classroom together and Ally had what seemed like a shifty expression on his face, but it turned out to be unintentional. Maybe the significance of the "splash" is just to reinforce that this is a watery environment, and nothing deeper.
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Post by smjjames on Mar 11, 2011 23:34:47 GMT
I don't think the watery environment needs to be reinforced IMO.
Unfortunately, we'll have to wait for Monday's strip as this is so wanting to get answers to.
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Post by rainofsteel on Mar 12, 2011 0:08:23 GMT
Kat knows and understands Annie is genuinely sorry but can't accept or deal with it?
All I can say is, if all that has been presented to the point of her walking off is the totality of her concerns, then she has flipped out on the side of selfishness. I wonder if she realizes how bad that makes her look?
It's been pointed out that Annie has had no friends before, except maybe the psychopomps. I wonder what Kat's history of friends before this has been? I also continue to wonder exactly what it was Kat was told about what happened and in what way.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 12, 2011 2:25:06 GMT
Man, if I could draw, I would totally make related fanart of this scene. Something tells me that Kat would be thrilled to be Nite Owl. They both love makint things. And birdwatching.
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Post by jayne on Mar 12, 2011 2:29:12 GMT
Kat knows and understands Annie is genuinely sorry but can't accept or deal with it? All I can say is, if all that has been presented to the point of her walking off is the totality of her concerns, then she has flipped out on the side of selfishness. I wonder if she realizes how bad that makes her look? It's been pointed out that Annie has had no friends before, except maybe the psychopomps. I wonder what Kat's history of friends before this has been? I also continue to wonder exactly what it was Kat was told about what happened and in what way. I think that Kat is being open and honest about this shows a lot of strength of character. Her friend, quite accidentally, hurt her and she's not hiding it or pretending it didn't happen. They talked about it and Kat said what she wanted to say, now she can move into her room and catch up with Annie later. They're still friends. Friends get mad at each other sometimes. And she's not really mad at Annie, she's just mad at what happened. She was put through a lot of emotional turmoil.
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Post by paxjax123 on Mar 12, 2011 2:32:53 GMT
Kat knows and understands Annie is genuinely sorry but can't accept or deal with it? All I can say is, if all that has been presented to the point of her walking off is the totality of her concerns, then she has flipped out on the side of selfishness. I wonder if she realizes how bad that makes her look? It's been pointed out that Annie has had no friends before, except maybe the psychopomps. I wonder what Kat's history of friends before this has been? I also continue to wonder exactly what it was Kat was told about what happened and in what way. I think that Kat is being open and honest about this shows a lot of strength of character. Her friend, quite accidentally, hurt her and she's not hiding it or pretending it didn't happen. They talked about it and Kat said what she wanted to say, now she can move into her room and catch up with Annie later. They're still friends. Friends get mad at each other sometimes. And she's not really mad at Annie, she's just mad at what happened. She was put through a lot of emotional turmoil. Remember that Annie was too! I know Kat's hurting, but Annie was put through A LOT more than being ditched for vacation.
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Post by jayne on Mar 12, 2011 2:34:46 GMT
Literary economy states that if you're going to put in a "splash", it should be important to the story. On the other hand, Tom's included several details that weren't important to the story (such as hommages to various pop culture elements). I remember a panel in Chapter Thirteen where Annie, Kat, and Ally were leaving the classroom together and Ally had what seemed like a shifty expression on his face, but it turned out to be unintentional. Maybe the significance of the "splash" is just to reinforce that this is a watery environment, and nothing deeper. When I read that, I thought the point of the splish was to show Kat wasn't upset or mad... she's just walking to get her stuff and "huh...something splashed... wonder what that is."
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Post by jayne on Mar 12, 2011 2:37:40 GMT
I think that Kat is being open and honest about this shows a lot of strength of character. Her friend, quite accidentally, hurt her and she's not hiding it or pretending it didn't happen. They talked about it and Kat said what she wanted to say, now she can move into her room and catch up with Annie later. They're still friends. Friends get mad at each other sometimes. And she's not really mad at Annie, she's just mad at what happened. She was put through a lot of emotional turmoil. Remember that Annie was too! I know Kat's hurting, but Annie was put through A LOT more than being ditched for vacation. Oh yeah... hard to forget that. She's had to come to terms to a degree about the death of her mother WITHOUT Kat! She probably got more honest answers from Ysengrin but emotional support comes from Kat. (Who would have thought Ysengrin would be someone supportive?)
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 12, 2011 3:31:44 GMT
I think that Kat is being open and honest about this shows a lot of strength of character. Her friend, quite accidentally, hurt her and she's not hiding it or pretending it didn't happen. They talked about it and Kat said what she wanted to say, now she can move into her room and catch up with Annie later. They're still friends. Friends get mad at each other sometimes. And she's not really mad at Annie, she's just mad at what happened. She was put through a lot of emotional turmoil. Remember that Annie was too! I know Kat's hurting, but Annie was put through A LOT more than being ditched for vacation. So relationships are poker games now? The pot is sympathy and forgiveness, and whoever's psychological turmoil is worth the most gets to take the whole pot home?
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Post by basser on Mar 12, 2011 3:37:37 GMT
Kat can just screw off as far as I'm concerned. SHE was the one who basically pressured the formerly-recalcitrant Annie into being friends with her, and she knows full fuckin well the kind of childhood Annie had. How the hell can you expect someone to be good at being friends when you're the only person they've ever been friends with!? Everyone seems to be saying that Kat is so open and honest and grown-up but what's she's doing here is essentially complaining about a deaf person being difficult to understand. Annie's upbringing caused her to miss a lot of vital socialization learning, and now her only friend tells her she's bad at being social? Great, thanks Kat. Huge bloody help you are.
Personally I will be more than pleased if Kat gets eaten by a sea monster in the coming pages. Or at least nibbled on.
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Post by paxjax123 on Mar 12, 2011 3:54:36 GMT
Remember that Annie was too! I know Kat's hurting, but Annie was put through A LOT more than being ditched for vacation. So relationships are poker games now? The pot is sympathy and forgiveness, and whoever's psychological turmoil is worth the most gets to take the whole pot home? That is not at all what I meant. What I mean is, Kat isn't even putting to mind what Annie went through.
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Post by jayne on Mar 12, 2011 4:01:01 GMT
Kat can just screw off as far as I'm concerned. SHE was the one who basically pressured the formerly-recalcitrant Annie into being friends with her, and she knows full fuckin well the kind of childhood Annie had. How the hell can you expect someone to be good at being friends when you're the only person they've ever been friends with!? Everyone seems to be saying that Kat is so open and honest and grown-up but what's she's doing here is essentially complaining about a deaf person being difficult to understand. Annie's upbringing caused her to miss a lot of vital socialization learning, and now her only friend tells her she's bad at being social? Great, thanks Kat. Huge bloody help you are. Personally I will be more than pleased if Kat gets eaten by a sea monster in the coming pages. Or at least nibbled on. So if you were in this situation, you would have not said anything and pretended like nothing was wrong? Even though you were upset? Are you that good at lying cause that never works very well in my experience. After a day or so of "you SURE nothing is wrong" you end up saying whats actually bothering you.
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Post by jayne on Mar 12, 2011 4:02:17 GMT
And since we can't really change Annie's past, are they supposed to treat her 'special' forever?
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Post by Tobu Ishi on Mar 12, 2011 5:08:03 GMT
Maybe it's Jones out for another heavily-weighted "swim". Or Jack, with another stolen rowboat, sneaking across to the girls' dorms to say "welcome back". Or a Court robot on surveillance. Or a giant squid. :3 Just so long as it's not this thing, we're probably fine. (Do not click that link if you're uncomfortable with underwater threats.)
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 12, 2011 5:12:22 GMT
So relationships are poker games now? The pot is sympathy and forgiveness, and whoever's psychological turmoil is worth the most gets to take the whole pot home? That is not at all what I meant. What I mean is, Kat isn't even putting to mind what Annie went through. If Kat were not putting to mind what Annie went through, then she would be giving Annie an real earful for ditching her. Not this "I'm angry, but I know you didn't mean it so I feel terrible for being angry" stuff.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Mar 12, 2011 5:29:40 GMT
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Post by smjjames on Mar 12, 2011 5:57:50 GMT
Besides, Gunnerkrigg isn't about Annies emotional/social growth and learning. It's just that she had a worldchanging breakdown the last chapter and the whole emotion stuff is playing itself out in this chapter.
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Post by jayne on Mar 12, 2011 6:21:43 GMT
If someone isn't good at something, you should tell them why they're not good at it so they can become better at it. Not saying anything means nothing will change or improve. Unless its something like being deaf... but this isn't like that.
Next time Annie flees into the woods while almost roasting a teacher, she'll know to explain IN PERSON what's going on to the people who care about her so they won't be left hanging.
She could have done that but the scene wouldn't have worked as well.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Mar 12, 2011 6:36:08 GMT
The situation wasn't easy, but Annie still chose the forest over Kat. There was a moment where she could have turned back and said, "Oh wait, I can't abandon Kat. Sorry Coyote. Can we do this some other time? I'll have plenty of summers here." The real thing here is.. she didn't. She decided to go on ahead. Satisfying her curiosity was deemed more important. Annie hit a CROSSROADS. She had to make a choice.. and she made it. A choice that didn't include Kat.
Kat is understandably feeling betrayed. She isn't first priority on Annie's list like she assumed. For Kat, staying by Annie's side must have been the highest thing on her list of priorities. For Annie.. not so much. That much has been revealed. They've been operating on a slightly different scale from each other. Possibly for a long while. Annie was more.. is the word aloof.. with people she knows. Even her best and only friend. Kat possibly hangs on hard as she can. By the teeth if needed.
Before the Kat/Annie defense squad comes and starts screaming at me, I'm not saying if either set of priorities is the correct one. Neither way is more correct than the other. That's what makes this situation so complex. Kat has every right to be mad at Annie for bailing, but Annie had every right to bail on Kat for something THAT important to who she is. It's why this situation is going to be so hard to correct. If either one was blatantly in the wrong here, that person could apologize and they could both move past it as a mistake. This though.. well.. neither is exactly wrong. Neither is exactly right.
Shit sucks. To be simple about it.
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