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Post by smjjames on Feb 26, 2011 17:53:09 GMT
This is good. :-) With the way these two parted, and the "and Reynard" afterthought second-hand message on this page, I was worried about their relationship. Sometimes you have a friendship, though, that forgivenesses can happen through a look for a smile, without a word needing to be spoken. This is good. :-) Fixed the link for ya, the url tag didn't like the " thing in there.
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Post by Per on Feb 26, 2011 19:07:20 GMT
The smile in the last panel reminds me of... Flaky Pastry? or something else?
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Post by kelantar on Feb 26, 2011 19:27:19 GMT
Haha, this is what I get for forgetting to take Coyote seriously. The whole eyeshadow thing does sound significant, and the details fit a little too well with the story to be a coincidence, but I feel it's more as an homage to her mother. I'd be more inclined to agree if she only wore eyeshadow, but she also wears the same lipstick. Now if there's a lipstick that imbues the wearer with immunity to possession or the ability to spank the gods, I'd certainly be intrigued.
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 27, 2011 7:19:15 GMT
Aww-some. So let me join the silent choir asking for poster/wallpaper of the first panel. 2) Dayum, girl, you gonna need a crew with mops trailing behind you to clean up the drool from every boy you pass. Since currently she needs a crew with mops anyway, well... Wow. Annie has grown up from the time in the forest. Does anyone else think in the last panel, Annie looks scarily like Surma? About every third guestbook comment, why? Of course, she looks more mature - especially when compared with her last " Alice in the Wonderland" scene where she looked a few years younger! But hardly so much more. Also, glad to see Annie and Renard can put behind what was said, at least for the moment. I hope the same is true of Kat. I really don't want to their relationship break down, as they need each other as stability from their weird lives. I suspect this time Antimony will hang on Kat's neck. Either way this outfit is going to receive some fangirlish exclamation. But from the way this comic looks, it seems Tom won't let us see any of that, at least for awhile. Gah, just look at how different Annie is! I want to see how her character transformed like that! I don't want to just sit around as the various characters with whom she reunites are all, "Wow, Annie! Look at how much you've changed!" Tom indulges his sadistic streak again, yeah. ;D But now he missed the golden opportunity to keep our butts on the chairs' edges over that hand-snipping thingy for months. My idea of why he's not showing us the forest and its inhabitants is A. This comic has many mysteries, but that's one of the largest for sure. Keeps the mystery alive, keeps people coming back. Come o-on... What unveiled mysteries? How much we learned about the Court from almost any chapter there? I too assume there will be surprise flashbacks and meaningful narrations. But that's just one goodness and one tease swapped for another pair. The bad thing aboit it: right now we see Annie changed in some significant ways - it was the whole point and obviously worked - but completely clueless about these changes. I mean, now she's not quite the same character as before (unlike the previous timeskip), we have very vague idea about the difference, and it's her story. See the problem? That's a very good qustion. Maybe she was so nervous before coming back to the Court that she didn't get any sleep? She had to say "bye" to all her new pals. And since inthe wood they don't live about one long corridor, without elevators and maglev bullet trains, well... Maaaaaan her teeth must be naaaaasty. I don't think she had a lot of sugar out there. I guess that she is tired from the goodbye-party the night before. Coyate knows probably how to organize a good party. If they have goodbye-parties.
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Post by Per on Feb 27, 2011 18:01:08 GMT
But now he missed the golden opportunity to keep our butts on the chairs' edges over that hand-snipping thingy for months. GC doesn't usually derive tension from "will there be gore?" though, except when people are about to be stabbed by ghosts. Assuming Coyote has removed the hand-snipping thingy, I won't miss it. I mean, now she's not quite the same character as before (unlike the previous timeskip), we have very vague idea about the difference, and it's her story. See the problem? That it's been just one strip since she returned?
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Post by kelantar on Feb 27, 2011 19:35:40 GMT
I mean, now she's not quite the same character as before (unlike the previous timeskip), we have very vague idea about the difference, and it's her story. See the problem? To me, it's the same as the whole thing with the psychopomps. Something happened with Muut between "I like your face" and the start of the comic, and even though it's "her story," we didn't know about it until later. I also see it kind of like the beginning of Chapter 14. Two interesting things happened on this day. The first was the end of the summer. And the second was when Annie emerged from the Gillitie Wood. We'll come to the latter in a moment.
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 27, 2011 21:50:57 GMT
I mean, now she's not quite the same character as before (unlike the previous timeskip), we have very vague idea about the difference, and it's her story. See the problem? That it's been just one strip since she returned? So? You seriously expect the next page will Explain Everything?.. ;D To me, it's the same as the whole thing with the psychopomps. Something happened with Muut between "I like your face" and the start of the comic, and even though it's "her story," we didn't know about it until later. I also see it kind of like the beginning of Chapter 14. Two interesting things happened on this day. The first was the end of the summer. And the second was when Annie emerged from the Gillitie Wood. We'll come to the latter in a moment. You missed the whole of my point. "Things happened", however interesting on their own, has little to do with "known character significantly changed". There's no compelling reason to think that anything not shown during the first summer turned Annie's world on its ears, or she got new training of vital importance, etc. Also, pastimes such as blinker exercises, chatting with Jones or Spacemonaut simulations can be cool to watch sometimes, but once it's started and stated, we just assume this goes on - no shocking swerves here. Same for "the whole thing with the psychopomps": it's only circumstances that changed. Moreover, it happened between one flashback and another, giving us a new view of the character we knew before either, but not changing her in any way.
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Post by Eversist on Feb 27, 2011 22:13:09 GMT
I agree that is a very large coincidence for it to be just that... a coincidence, but like others, I'm more inclined to believe that the makeup is merely homage to her mother, or she's channeling some of that spirit. Just my opinion. I mean, she didn't wear it when she was younger, when she interacted with those two psychopomps, and went to go help the spirit of the dead boy. That seemed pretty dangerous. As far as we know, she only started wearing it once her mother passed. I'll be the first to give you a cookie if you're right, though.
As for the magic bit... yes, she knew OF magic, but she didn't know she could perform anything like it, is what I meant. Also, I wouldn't really call the psychopomps "magic," per say... do you consider the Grim Reaper magical?
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As for Tom not revealing the forest... I return to my other points that were not quoted.
This is good writing, even though you're disappointed/frustrated that you didn't get to see what you wanted to. The fact that this elicited quite an emotional response from many of you is proof of that.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Feb 27, 2011 23:13:28 GMT
You missed the whole of my point. "Things happened", however interesting on their own, has little to do with "known character significantly changed". Annie has been back for all of one page. If you're saying that she has undergone some significant change between last chapter and this one, what are you basing it on, her clothes? I mean, she didn't wear it when she was younger, when she interacted with those two psychopomps, and went to go help the spirit of the dead boy. That seemed pretty dangerous. Surma had promised immediately beforehand that she would never send Annie into danger. Surma believed that helping Martin wouldn't be dangerous, and Annie trusted her. Fair enough. It's very possible that the eyeshadow is magic but Annie doesn't know. Given sufficient time, any debate on the internet will turn into a semantics debate. Regardless of what one chooses to call them, psychopomps and blinker stones and hypothetical protective eyeshadow are all governed by different rules than those that govern the physical world. That was the point I was trying to make.
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Post by Eversist on Feb 28, 2011 2:11:20 GMT
I remember. I'm just saying, if she started doing "work" then, she should have started wearing the protective makeup. When we saw her later on (?) during the dream/flashback, she still isn't wearing it.
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Post by TBeholder on Feb 28, 2011 5:21:32 GMT
As for Tom not revealing the forest... I return to my other points that were not quoted. If it's not obvious from the first point... B: ...so until some unspecified amount of "due time" the situation remains as i described. C: I fail to see how the Court would become less of the Court during summer, Annie's visits to the Wood weren't always skipped and (as i already wrote twice) we had no reason to assume that any other summer break changed anything at all. While this time the situation is very different. D: again, the problem as i see it is exactly in combination of a significant "character development" part and timeskip. This is good writing, even though you're disappointed/frustrated that you didn't get to see what you wanted to. Err... Wait, did you ever read the message to which you're answering? The fact that this elicited quite an emotional response from many of you is proof of that. It's not a proof, it's a complete non sequitur. A single picture without any continuity behind it at all obviously can "elicit quite an emotional response" too, but this won't automatically make it "good writing". Good painting, probably, but that's another matter. Annie has been back for all of one page. If you're saying that she has undergone some significant change between last chapter and this one, what are you basing it on, her clothes? Entire second half of "Fire Spike", for one. That about half of the comments includes some variation of "oh, Annie looks so much more mature now!" could make one vaguely suspect that this not only was quite expectable, but now is confirmed - at least for readers not distracted by her clothes too much. Regardless of what one chooses to call them, psychopomps and blinker stones and hypothetical protective eyeshadow are all governed by different rules than those that govern the physical world. That was the point I was trying to make. Internet is "governed by different rules than those that govern the physical world" too, and yet... ;D
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Post by Eversist on Feb 28, 2011 5:57:21 GMT
I was merely adding another direction to my post. No need to be obnoxious.
NEW DIRECTION (since you didn't catch it last time): This is all my opinion, and you and everyone else is quite welcome to disagree with it. I am more than willing to let Tom tell his story how he wants to, and recognize that there is not necessarily a right or wrong way for him to tell it, and not complain when something doesn't necessarily go the way I wanted it to.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Feb 28, 2011 7:37:54 GMT
Entire second half of "Fire Spike", for one. That about half of the comments includes some variation of "oh, Annie looks so much more mature now!" could make one vaguely suspect that this not only was quite expectable, but now is confirmed - at least for readers not distracted by her clothes too much. Looking more mature is not the same thing as acting more mature. I don't think she's been back long enough for us to say whether or not she's acting more mature. Now you're just being silly. This is completely tangential to an argument that was itself completely tangential to a point that I've already conceded.
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Post by satanicpuppy on Feb 28, 2011 18:52:29 GMT
NO. NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO. I kinda have to agree with the sentiment... I love annie's new look but I was really, really, really, really, really looking forward to seeing the forest. See what life was like in the forest, see the kind of creatures that inhabit the forest and see what new and interesting characters we would get out all of this. I figured we'd also get to have a chapter of annie not only learning new things in the forest but learning to accept/deal with the way things are around her; not just in forest but the recent reveals in her life. I was on edge in anticipation on the last page of the previous chapter that felt like a massive cliffhanger, which was followed up by a 2 week break which only increased and prolonged the anticipation... And now we find that we just skipped past the whole thing... I'm feeling really disappointed right now Sure sometimes its nice to let things remain a mystery, but this is a mystery that has lasted for 3 books now... I may be jumping the gun a bit and Tom deserves the benefit of the doubt but i'm feeling really irked by this... i mean we may still get flashbacks but will flashbacks be as detailed as seeing the events first hand ("ties" leaves some hope there) I am sympathetic to you guys, but I think this the the right way to go. No amount of drawing would do justice to what you've built up in your head, so the smart move is to leave it there. At no point have we really seen anything that's gone on during break. There is no reason why this would have been different.
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Post by todd on Feb 28, 2011 23:28:16 GMT
I think we'll need to see more of this chapter (not just the first three pages of it) before we can decide whether Tom did the right thing or not. I suspect that he saw Annie's time in the wood as a mostly undramatic period, with whatever changes it produced in her the consequence of the cumulative effect of all the regular days she spent there rather than of any big moments that would have lent themselves to story format.
(I remember, also, the period in the animated television series "Gargoyles" back in the 90's - I know that Aris Katsaris has seen it, though I don't know if anyone else here is familiar with it - where during the latter half of the second season, a few of the cast members were traveling around the world in a magical boat, having adventures, while the rest of the regulars were back in their home base at New York, getting only an occasional glimpse. A lot of the viewers wanted to see the regulars left behind at home again and were impatient with the World Tour. If Tom *had* spent the next few chapters showing Annie's time in Gillitie Wood as it had happened, we might have had a few protests from readers over when we'd get to see the bulk of the Court regulars - Kat, Reynardine, Parley, Smith, Eglamore, Mort, etc. again.)
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Post by jayne on Mar 2, 2011 22:22:23 GMT
I'm not sure she looks more mature... if she smells like the forest and has dirty feet, I think she looks in need of a good hot shower and good nights sleep.
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Post by atteSmythe on Mar 3, 2011 16:02:00 GMT
I never expected that we'd see Annie's time in the Forest. I was a bit surprised not to get a glimpse of the clearing she walked into at the end of the last chapter, but ultimately, I think it still feels right for the Forest to be mysterious and unknown.
And this provides a little opportunity for dramatic tension, too, as Annie is (so far as we know) the only student at the Court for which the Forest is not mysterious and unknown.
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