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Post by tmac on Jan 13, 2011 6:03:52 GMT
Looking at it reasonably, the only being in the story that has shown enough power to stop time - effecting even one as powerful as Jones is herself - is Coyote. But as several have pointed out, it doesn't look like his work stylistically, and it doesn't seem like the kind of thing he'd do.
As far as we know, Coyote is the most powerful creature on the Forest's side. Probably on either side. He agreed, when the Court and Forest divided, to leave the Court alone. But recall that Coyote, Ysengrin, and Reynard "came later," according to Reynard I think. Coyote was not in charge when the Court was first built, by a pact between humans and forest dwellers.
Some other entity was in charge. We have not seen it, but there must have been something.
There's no indication that this ancient entity will come into the story, but it's reasonable to believe that it could be alive, even after all this time. If it did not make Coyote's agreement, it would certainly pose a threat the Court would fear - and make Annie's actions of entering the forest without Coyote's blessing dangerous to herself and the rest of the Court.
It's just more conjecture, but I think there is another major power at work, that might be introduced presently.
It also makes sense when you consider the implications of unseen hands pulling strings on the Court's side of the ravine... why would we know all of the major players on the Forest's side at this point? And why would the Court need so much protection, if the only being really powerful enough to challenge it had sworn a truce?
I normally don't speculate but I really do love this story.
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Post by scatter on Jan 13, 2011 6:55:52 GMT
Some other entity was in charge. We have not seen it, but there must have been something. Interesting idea. Perhaps this is the source of the tick-tock birds?
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Post by Gemini Jim on Jan 13, 2011 9:20:00 GMT
WILD SPECULATION REGARDING TURNING INTO AN ANIMAL: Coyote gives Annie Renard's old body for the summer. END SPECULATION. I don't think this comic is ready for a genderswap. No, that isn't fair. It would be more accurate to say the viewers aren't. Most of them anyway. Well, to be honest, I personally think a Annie/ Renardine body swap would be hilarious. But that would be an entirely different red-headed schoolgirl called Anne/ Annie magic-themed WebComic ;D
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Post by Raph on Jan 13, 2011 10:20:57 GMT
Some other entity was in charge. We have not seen it, but there must have been something. While I like your theory, I find it a strange point for the story to introduce a new character. Tom is, however, fairly good at twisting the story to it's full capacity whenever he wants (like all the time).
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Post by Elvenhart on Jan 13, 2011 15:31:13 GMT
Some other entity was in charge. We have not seen it, but there must have been something. While I like your theory, I find it a strange point for the story to introduce a new character. Tom is, however, fairly good at twisting the story to it's full capacity whenever he wants (like all the time). Right. I'd like to think that said entity is probably some sort of nature-based mythological figure, as usual. I mean, in the forest we have Coyote from Native American stories, Ysengrin from German storytelling, and Renard from the same cycle of stories as Ysengrin. Maybe we're dealing with a humanoid entity with more power than Coyote?
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Post by jayne on Jan 13, 2011 15:39:12 GMT
I can't wait till tomorrow when we find out who's doing what and I don't think its from Coyote.... BUT do you think Coyote is also frozen? I'd be very surprised if he was.... but not too surprised if he acted frozen just so he could ease drop on what happens next.
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Post by 5lizak on Jan 13, 2011 17:56:18 GMT
My internal interpretation -----------
Coyote: 4 months.
Jones: Dea-- Coyote: THEN IT'S SETTLED!
Coyote: LAUGHING ON LINE FREEZE TIME, HERE FOREVER!
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Post by whattheziek on Jan 13, 2011 18:02:24 GMT
Some other entity was in charge. We have not seen it, but there must have been something. While I like your theory, I find it a strange point for the story to introduce a new character. Tom is, however, fairly good at twisting the story to it's full capacity whenever he wants (like all the time). Well... there was that Great Spirit guy... www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=488He also shows up in the bottom corner here: www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=774.. maybe it's that guy? Who knows.
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Post by jayne on Jan 13, 2011 18:07:30 GMT
Coyote is the guy in 774, since we see him split the forest and the court in 775.
The Great Spirit guy usually looks more like the sun... he wouldn't be at the bottom of a page but that's just my opinion.
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Post by fronzel on Jan 13, 2011 20:01:05 GMT
She didn't ask (in the presence of two teachers) Kat's explicit permission immediately before doing it, but this doesn't mean she doesn't have any permission from Kat. Which in turn doesn't mean she never stretched whatever it. If this is so, why did is it so that the first time we see her copy kat's work, she invents an excuse to be by the papers while Kat's back is turned, and makes sure that Kat isn't looking before copying the answers? Everything in that first case points to Annie copying Kat's work without her knowledge and nothing has contradicted this until now (there's a limit to what you can say just happens off-screen). It follows that Annie is copying Kat's workbook without her knowledge and that her claim of permission is a lie. She's done things that are generally considered immoral before; she stole Anja's picture of she, Surma, et. al. Renard also called her on this, but she just told him to be quiet.
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Post by hifranc on Jan 13, 2011 20:17:34 GMT
I think the dangerous thing she did was let Ysengrin to know what happened to Reynard. After all he's known as "General" (which is usually, in human societies, a military rank), he's easy to rile and the fact that Reynard had been tricked came as a surprise to him.
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Post by jayne on Jan 13, 2011 20:33:59 GMT
She didn't ask (in the presence of two teachers) Kat's explicit permission immediately before doing it, but this doesn't mean she doesn't have any permission from Kat. Which in turn doesn't mean she never stretched whatever it. If this is so, why did is it so that the first time we see her copy kat's work, she invents an excuse to be by the papers while Kat's back is turned, and makes sure that Kat isn't looking before copying the answers? Everything in that first case points to Annie copying Kat's work without her knowledge and nothing has contradicted this until now (there's a limit to what you can say just happens off-screen). It follows that Annie is copying Kat's workbook without her knowledge and that her claim of permission is a lie. She's done things that are generally considered immoral before; she stole Anja's picture of she, Surma, et. al. Renard also called her on this, but she just told him to be quiet. Well the first time was during an exam... Annie wouldn't, couldn't, and shouldn't ask to copy during an exam. She probably doesn't have Kat's permission to copy her homework but she said she did so we can give her the benefit of the doubt. If that proves wrong, we won't be all that surprised.
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Post by mariposa on Jan 13, 2011 21:23:24 GMT
The first time she was just copying a few answers. The second time she was taking her whole homework book out of her bag and into her room to copy, implying that she was going to copy a lot. See how she would ask for permission for one and not the other? My friends and I always "share" hw answers because we know we all understand the material and have better things to do with our time. I'm not convinced that Annie's copying is due to a lack of understanding, she could just be procrastinating. And I would be surprised if Kat is the kind of girl who would freak out about her friend copying her hw. She may be upset that Annie lied to her, but I doubt that she'll care very much about the assignments themselves.
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 14, 2011 14:49:06 GMT
By the way, yes. Jones either provoked or overestimated her. Loose Lips Sink Ships, indeed.
They seem to get along, but speaking of risks and possibilities vs. intentions... That's a very good reason to put the old jolly team on "distrusted" list permanently. As to Jones, there's only Coyote implying she knew and Annie would have to (at least) ask. A chance she didn't know isn't visible without a microscope, but still exists.
Also: that Jones didn't say it before may go against my theory that she wanted this result. Then again, who knows how Annie could react on overdoing it. She's sneaky.
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Post by tmac on Jan 14, 2011 16:52:33 GMT
Well, now we know. I suppose it was Occam's Razor at work here.
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