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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 12, 2011 15:53:39 GMT
WILD SPECULATION REGARDING TURNING INTO AN ANIMAL: Coyote gives Annie Renard's old body for the summer. END SPECULATION. I don't think this comic is ready for a genderswap. No, that isn't fair. It would be more accurate to say the viewers aren't. Most of them anyway.
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Post by dismalscientist on Jan 12, 2011 15:55:05 GMT
But in all seriousness, it may be Coyote. However, that may mean that Ysengrin is allowed to speak to Annie too. There's no way to make a prediction with anywhere near certainty, but I'd suppose it unlikely to be Ysengrin or Coyote -- it seems as if they would have spoken to Annie (possibly stopping time) during the conversation earlier. Both appear temporarily out of the picture. I suspect that Renard doesn't have the power to project himself etherically into the forest. But who knows? Surma is an intriguing possibility but I'm kinda doubtful; except as haunting ghosts we haven't seen evidence that the dead can return for a chat. Perhaps it could be a pre-recorded message or something. Otherwise ... perhaps it's the forest resident(s) with whom she'll be staying? Or Anja wishing to speak with her? Stabs in the dark ...
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Post by atteSmythe on Jan 12, 2011 16:26:09 GMT
Clearly, this is all one of Dr. Disaster's simulations.
Once everything stops, Jones and Disaster will walk back in, with Anja and Donald following, and say, "No, it's clear we cannot tell her. Every time we've simulated it, she has run to the forest."
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Post by paracelsus on Jan 12, 2011 16:42:14 GMT
Well, it needn't be a 'ghost' of Surma. Remember, the fire was passed on to Annie, so in a way, her mother is still inside her. It could be that part of her consciousness remains, or at least Annie would know what her mother would think of the situation, and that is currently manifesting itself.
Still, it would make more sense if it was Coyote or someone similar.
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Post by Per on Jan 12, 2011 17:21:43 GMT
Once everything stops, Jones and Danger will walk back in, with Anja and Donald following, and say, "No, it's clear we cannot tell her. Every time we've simulated it, she has run to the forest." Or Annie, Kat and Reynardine walk in and say, "Dang it, what kind of act would we have to put on to get Coyote and Jones into an epic battle?" And then Kat stumbles on a party hat and a light goes on above her head.
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Post by SpitefulFox on Jan 12, 2011 17:31:11 GMT
Turns out the entire thing was a Dr. Disaster simulation prank gone too far. She should've seen the look on her face.
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Post by starcadet on Jan 12, 2011 18:23:48 GMT
I agree with assassinfox. That's the first thing that came to mind when I saw everything gray.
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Post by hargharg on Jan 12, 2011 18:31:04 GMT
On Annie not going back to the Court: she broke a dozen regulations when she ran off, it is highly unlikely that the higherups would just let her go back to the forest after that. Also, I don't think Jones is there because the Court sent her. And what's with panel 5?
ED: it's panel 5, bah.
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Post by scyllarus on Jan 12, 2011 18:55:33 GMT
did anyone else notice the blue borders on the panels? where else have we seen those before? coyote's are normally red, so i don't feel like it's coyote's doing....
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Post by Raph on Jan 12, 2011 18:56:13 GMT
On Annie not going back to the Court: she broke a dozen regulations when she ran off, it is highly unlikely that the higherups would just let her go back to the forest after that. Also, I don't think Jones is there because the Court sent her. And what's with panel 5? I think Jones went there on herself too, but even when it is obvious she's in trouble, it's likely that Jones will settle it, as well as Eglamore. The time when she crossed the bridge and fell off she only got a week at detention. The Power Station incident didn't seem too big after Jones intervened. I'm also kind of excited that we might get to see some kind of guide or mentor figure to Annie.
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Post by jasmijn on Jan 12, 2011 19:24:12 GMT
And then time froze up, and nothing Annie knew ever moved again.
She died lonely.
No, I really don't have a clue what's going on.
Also, I guess I was wrong about Annie forgetting about Kat and Rey.
EDIT: alt+s my ass.
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Post by Luxa on Jan 12, 2011 19:52:56 GMT
For reference the correct translation of "I think the mother is here to explain things to her daughter." is "Azt gondolom, hogy itt az anya elmagyarázni dolgokat a lányának." "Azt hiszem, az anyja itt van, hogy megmagyarázza a dolgokat, hogy a lányát." is more like "I think her mother is here to explain the things so her daughter would", it is really missing a subclause. Sadly Google translate still sucks at Hungarian grammar.
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Post by jayne on Jan 12, 2011 19:58:45 GMT
For reference the correct translation of "I think the mother is here to explain things to her daughter." is "Azt gondolom, hogy itt az anya elmagyarázni dolgokat a lányának." "Azt hiszem, az anyja itt van, hogy megmagyarázza a dolgokat, hogy a lányát." is more like "I think her mother is here to explain the things so her daughter would", it is really missing a subclause. Sadly Google translate still sucks at Hungarian grammar. ;D ;D ;D I was trying to be 'oh so clever' and hide what I was saying as not to spoil the surprise if I'm correct. I just picked a language at random.
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Post by hargharg on Jan 12, 2011 20:10:37 GMT
On Annie not going back to the Court: she broke a dozen regulations when she ran off, it is highly unlikely that the higherups would just let her go back to the forest after that. Also, I don't think Jones is there because the Court sent her. And what's with panel 5? I think Jones went there on herself too, but even when it is obvious she's in trouble, it's likely that Jones will settle it, as well as Eglamore. The time when she crossed the bridge and fell off she only got a week at detention. The Power Station incident didn't seem too big after Jones intervened. I'm also kind of excited that we might get to see some kind of guide or mentor figure to Annie. She was pushed, when she "fell". : ) And back then she didn't cast an inferno on Eglamore (even if it just looks like one, I don't know), wasn't her intention to go to the Woods, etc. I am sure someone more familiar with the story could go on with these...
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Post by fronzel on Jan 12, 2011 20:26:26 GMT
This is both bad for Annie and good for Annie at the same time. Kat needs to turn that book in so she'll have to search for it. She'll either find it in Annie's room, ask Rey about it, or maybe not find it and get in trouble herself. In any case, Kat will learn that Annie has been cheating and needs help. She'll be mad at Annie, not just for cheating but for not asking for help. She can try to tutor Annie with those troublesome classes. Kat's just not the kind of girl to turn her back on a friend just because she gets mad at them. Wait, so was Annie lying when she told Renard that Kat told her she could use it? Certainly she was lying. She's copied off off Kat before and done it secretly. Not to mention that she didn't exactly tell the truth to Kat about this most recent copying. "I need to finish a bit of homework" is not "I'm going to extensively copy your work as mine is in a shambles, as we discussed previously".
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Post by King Mir on Jan 12, 2011 21:15:13 GMT
People are saying that maybe Jones didn't notice what was happening, but in panels 6 and 7 her eyes are clearly turned toward the event. In panels 2 and 4 she is looking at Annie. So it does look like she is aware something is about to happen.
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Post by warrl on Jan 12, 2011 21:20:37 GMT
Sadly Google translate still sucks at Hungarian grammar. Fixed. Grammar is nasty because people are so sloppy with it, and the language absorbs the sloppiness.
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Post by jayne on Jan 12, 2011 21:27:24 GMT
People are saying that maybe Jones didn't notice what was happening, but in panels 6 and 7 her eyes are clearly turned toward the event. In panels 2 and 4 she is looking at Annie. So it does look like she is aware something is about to happen. Read it once, as if Jones is reacting, then read it again as if Jones is frozen in time. Both work. Its the fact that Jones and the rest of the forest fade to gray but Annie is still in color and moving that leads me to believe its the second case.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 12, 2011 21:31:22 GMT
She may be frozen in time, but she's looking right at the blue light. So she noticed something's going on.
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Post by bookworm on Jan 12, 2011 21:41:30 GMT
Time for some Avatar:The Last Airbender-type soul conversing, perhaps?
Or something entirely new...
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Post by dailenna on Jan 12, 2011 22:01:17 GMT
She may be frozen in time, but she's looking right at the blue light. So she noticed something's going on. If you look at her stance in the last panel, it's like she's just shifted her weight to start walking away. To me, her looking away is just because she's about to leave (in the direction she's looking), but she got frozen in time part way through. Can't see that Jones'd be into long goodbyes, and Annie's kind of drawing it out a bit.
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Post by beatfox on Jan 12, 2011 22:03:06 GMT
She may be frozen in time, but she's looking right at the blue light. So she noticed something's going on. It's not really a light source, though, as there's no change in illumination & shadowing. Pretty sure that the gradient transition is just to indicate an event occurring mid-panel, and that she was looking back in the general direction of the Court as a gesture accompanying her stated intention to look after Renard.
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Post by jayne on Jan 12, 2011 22:04:00 GMT
She may be frozen in time, but she's looking right at the blue light. So she noticed something's going on. Well, Annie is turned to look over her shoulder, not in the direction Jones is looking. In panels 6 and 7, Annie should be looking in the same direction as Jones. In panel 8, she's looking behind her. If Jone was noticing something, Annie didn't notice it or why would she look away?
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Post by scatter on Jan 12, 2011 23:05:14 GMT
Something no one has thought of: what if this "freeze" thing is something the COURT has done? The court is either not confident in Jones' ability to retrieve 'the girl' or aren't aware of Jones' effort. They then implement a time-stopping device that targets ONLY beings of the Forest (and Jones, who is not human). They can then enter the forest, take Annie away, and let time resume without the notice of Coyote or Yss. Technically, no time was spent in the forest so no rules were broken.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 12, 2011 23:35:03 GMT
She may be frozen in time, but she's looking right at the blue light. So she noticed something's going on. If you look at her stance in the last panel, it's like she's just shifted her weight to start walking away. To me, her looking away is just because she's about to leave (in the direction she's looking), but she got frozen in time part way through. Can't see that Jones'd be into long goodbyes, and Annie's kind of drawing it out a bit. That's possible, but I think Jones puts a higher priority to finishing this conversation with Annie than with getting out of there. I don't see Jones as being the kind of person who's impatient to leave, especially around someone who she's mentoring. She may be frozen in time, but she's looking right at the blue light. So she noticed something's going on. Well, Annie is turned to look over her shoulder, not in the direction Jones is looking. In panels 6 and 7, Annie should be looking in the same direction as Jones. In panel 8, she's looking behind her. If Jone was noticing something, Annie didn't notice it or why would she look away? In panel 8, it looks like they are looking in the same direction. Panels 6 and 7, Jones is looking left, but judging how far left by looking at a person's eyes is hard, and it is a hard thing to represent correctly in a comic, so I would not rely on it beyond seeing that it is left. I also feel that part of the reason that Jones is out of frame in panel 5, is because Jones is getting distracted already, but for narrative's sake it's important to focus on Annie's guilt.
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Post by rt on Jan 13, 2011 1:06:24 GMT
did anyone else notice the blue borders on the panels? where else have we seen those before? coyote's are normally red, so i don't feel like it's coyote's doing.... Keen observation. Some sort of dualism? Coyote <-> red --- [etheric being] <-> blue, perhaps? Some other etheric being, which got the same power as coyote? (or more) I re-read the comic and couldn't find other blue borders, seems to be some sort of new character, cuz psychopomps don't have borders and coyote got, as u said, red ones. As far as i can recall only one panel is red, which indicates coyote's presence, that one with the skull.
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 13, 2011 2:53:38 GMT
...who finally lost her patience and is about to tell Annie "don't be such a chicken, walk to the Court and back, Surma would be ashamed if she saw you running around minor troubles"? I mean, she's a Valkyrie, after all. Remember, the fire was passed on to Annie, so in a way, her mother is still inside her. It could be that part of her consciousness remains, or at least Annie would know what her mother would think of the situation, and that is currently manifesting itself. St. Alia-of-the-Knife theory again? But i suspect in this case Annie would try to explore the chain all the way down to Anselmus and Serpentina's the first fire elemental's time. Turns out the entire thing was a Dr. Disaster simulation prank gone too far. She should've seen the look on her face. While "it was all a dream" is a valid plot device, i'm afraid the device itself would work only until the bridge scene. Certainly she was lying. She's copied off off Kat before and done it secretly. Not to mention that she didn't exactly tell the truth to Kat about this most recent copying. Here we are again. She didn't ask (in the presence of two teachers) Kat's explicit permission immediately before doing it, but this doesn't mean she doesn't have any permission from Kat. Which in turn doesn't mean she never stretched whatever it. They then implement a time-stopping device that targets ONLY beings of the Forest (and Jones, who is not human). ...and?.. What's with "Hi story"?.. Sadly Google translate still sucks at Hungarian grammar. ;D ;D ;D I was trying to be 'oh so clever' and hide what I was saying as not to spoil the surprise if I'm correct. I just picked a language at random. Poor Hungarian-Rlaan dictionaries strike again... computer! Reboot translation! Time for some Avatar:The Last Airbender-type soul conversing, perhaps? Or something entirely new... Time for some philosophy! Which was invented for Matrix is something entirely new. ;D
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Post by jayne on Jan 13, 2011 3:33:01 GMT
"You put people in danger"
So Jones believes there IS danger here.
What kind of danger? Danger enough to warrant a very effective guilt jab.
Okay, Eglamore in danger is easy... HUGE FIRE DANGER... assuming Jones knows about that and she should.
But everyone at the court? What she did today put everyone in the court in danger.... has the danger passed or are they all still in danger?
I'm thinking she means Annie deciding what Coyote should know even after being told not to mention it to Rey is the danger. Annie had no idea what the consequences were.
If that's so, then at least the danger has passed and Annie got lucky, this time... she got lucky with her first ghost encounter, not so lucky with the second ghost. I'm sure she's learned to be wary of ghosts now... hopefully she'll learn something from this.
AND If that's so, then the mistake Jones mentioned earlier was assuming coming to the forest was safe and risk free.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 13, 2011 4:19:37 GMT
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Post by djublonskopf on Jan 13, 2011 5:01:30 GMT
"You put people in danger" So Jones believes there IS danger here. What kind of danger? Danger enough to warrant a very effective guilt jab. Okay, Eglamore in danger is easy... HUGE FIRE DANGER... assuming Jones knows about that and she should. But everyone at the court? What she did today put everyone in the court in danger.... has the danger passed or are they all still in danger? I know it's similar to what you said . . . but I think the "danger" was telling Coyote something that potentially incendiary. Imagine if Coyote had reacted in anger? Declared war on the Court? Lots of people would have died. Running to the other "side" with news of treason puts people in danger.
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