mariposa
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Post by mariposa on Jan 11, 2011 0:48:28 GMT
Wow, seems Annie's inherited her father's tendency to disappear, regardless of who is being left behind. Maybe she'll stay in contact with Jack, since he'll be at the Court all summer? Surely Coyote would let her visit the Court during her stay, and Annie should have some human interaction.
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Post by blahzor on Jan 11, 2011 1:17:16 GMT
There's no reason why she'd have to stay from this moment on... Coyote still has to make arrangements with a family to house Annie, they need time to prepare for a guest, etc., and its already late. i doubt anyone in the forest will deny Coyote anything or not get tricked into it
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Post by todd on Jan 11, 2011 1:33:09 GMT
Not even Eggers is allowed in the forest, so I would have to guess that Jones is the ONLY person able to enter the forest without any repercussions (besides Annie). Yss would likely kill any human that enters the woods and we all know how robot ended up.... I know - and I did say that there were obvious practical difficulties with sending Kat. But I think that the realization that if she stays in the forest all summer, she'd be dooming Kat to another lonely summer holiday by herself might have been the only thing that could have dissuaded Annie from Coyote's offer. (Though, after the way that she left the Court, she'd be more likely to get detention all summer anyway if she had come back.)
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Post by fr4tbrn on Jan 11, 2011 2:33:34 GMT
I love his contortions when he speaks. ALL OF EM. i wonder if thats his body language for "IAM REALLY ENJOYING THIS" well his body language most certainly is in all caps, all the time
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Post by Goatmon on Jan 11, 2011 2:53:42 GMT
Wow, seems Annie's inherited her father's tendency to disappear, regardless of who is being left behind. Maybe she'll stay in contact with Jack, since he'll be at the Court all summer? Surely Coyote would let her visit the Court during her stay, and Annie should have some human interaction. It's only for the summer, though. The court is pretty much empty then, since all the students leave to visit their families until the next school year begins. Last summer, her only company was Shadow 2 and Reynardine. www.gunnerkrigg.com/archive_page.php?comicID=308I'm sure some of the staff was still around, but for the most part it seems she was pretty much left to her own devices for the summer.
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Post by reshi on Jan 11, 2011 3:43:08 GMT
Coyote's pose at the end of this is a little indicative in my opinion, sly, victorious, witha hint of oppression. That's what I see anyway.
I reckon she'll bond with Ysengrin, and we'll see the darker effects of Coyote's self--absorption - possibly directed towards Annie herself, however innocent his intention.
I also think that she's going to go into her next year stronger, but several weeks with huge etheric spirits are bound to alter her behaviour, maybe her boundaries etc.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 11, 2011 6:31:36 GMT
btw did anyone ever ask Tom before the forumspring went away if did a psychopomp take away the guy Rey killed? It has been asked when a psychopomp takes away a spirit of a body Rey occupies (after Rey leaves), but as far as I'm aware nobody though to ask if that particular man was taken. There is little reason to think he wasn't.
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 11, 2011 7:29:57 GMT
Unless that's what she wanted too and just tried to bargain the best she can in this. If so, Coyote's unsubtle hint at her double-dealing style is also hint that he knows what's going on. Annie almost seems...content? Not angry, anyway. Now that Jones cared to ask her - even if not aloud - why not? And a family she can stay with? That will be interesting. Or rather fairies. Though there are nice ones. I just like this page for the way Jones's hair got ruffled. Now that's some mighty sniffing. Also, will she be able to say goodbye to Kat and Renard? Now that's an interesting question. She "stays", but she stays "for summer" and judging by homework their vacation isn't quite began, so... So, think she will have to be an animal for summer break? Perhaps some sort of large cat? Possible, but... I doubt if she had to deal with new body it would be much of help with coming to terms with her "fire", let alone controlling herself better when back in her own form. Besides, another goal (both her and Coyote's) is to get Annie acquainted with locals so they wouldn't be scared of her. and apologize to Eglamore for the whole 'fiery death wave of death' thing... Oopsie! Meeting him is sort of a downside, but now she can say not just "eh, sorry about fireworks", but "i take steps to prevent repeating this sort of show" ( "I would thought Anthony did..." - "...don't push it".). I'm somewhat surprised Ysengrin did not react when Jones stated she questioned his sanity. They're canines and he considers Coyote boss. Probably Ysengrin thinks it's not his place t roar first when Coyote is present. I think that the realization that if she stays in the forest all summer, she'd be dooming Kat to another lonely summer holiday by herself might have been ...one more reason to reconcile Kat with Jack. Other than that, Kat leaves on vacation and Annie may return for now.
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Post by Tobu Ishi on Jan 11, 2011 9:07:55 GMT
Epiphany!!! is annie gonna stay with aly and parents? please be right i NEED that cookie Lord, I hope not! Talk about salt on the wound for Kat. "Sorry, I can't come traveling with your family this summer after all! I'm going to spend the summer in Gillitie Woods with your former crush who you're never going to be allowed to see again, instead."
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Post by warrl on Jan 11, 2011 20:10:24 GMT
And a family she can stay with? That will be interesting. I hope Kat can visit. Perhaps she can stay with Mr and Mrs. Beaver.. Slightly offtopic: Coyote is turning into a slinky, I swear. Turning into? I noted a couple days ago that he's a slinky. From the way he kept shifting from one side of Antimony to the other. Last summer, her only company was Shadow 2 and Reynardine. I'm sure some of the staff was still around, but for the most part it seems she was pretty much left to her own devices for the summer. She survived the summer, so obviously there was some sort of provision for food. And considering Annie was basically raised in a hospital, I doubt she learned much of cooking - or if she did, not in small quantities. (Cooking for 40 people is significantly different from cooking for one or two.)
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 12, 2011 1:07:30 GMT
So many questions about what a stay in the forest will be like. Things Annie is too caught up in the moment to consider.
I think she's forgotten about her previous obligation to Kat and her family. Que remembering in three.. two..
One of the big things going on right now is power play.. with Annie as the centerpiece. She's the natural choice for the next court medium. Mediums are supposed to be "neutral", but neither side respects the neutrality beyond what is explicitly spelled out in whatever agreement they have. Both sides want Annie to have her scales weighted towards them. Even if the court doesn't have to appoint Annie as medium, he likes her too much to just discount her. Communication hasn't happened between both sides till recently. Having a channel at all is better than none.
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Post by warrl on Jan 12, 2011 1:16:15 GMT
Epiphany!!! is annie gonna stay with aly and parents? please be right i NEED that cookie Lord, I hope not! Talk about salt on the wound for Kat. "Sorry, I can't come traveling with your family this summer after all! I'm going to spend the summer in Gillitie Woods with your former crush who you're never going to be allowed to see again, instead." I don't think it's so much that she isn't allowed to, as that (a) his interests will now be running in a different direction, (b) she won't recognize him, (c) they wouldn't have much in common to talk about, and (d) he can't talk.
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Post by jayne on Jan 12, 2011 2:46:18 GMT
So many questions about what a stay in the forest will be like. Things Annie is too caught up in the moment to consider. I think she's forgotten about her previous obligation to Kat and her family. Que remembering in three.. two.. One of the big things going on right now is power play.. with Annie as the centerpiece. She's the natural choice for the next court medium. Mediums are supposed to be "neutral", but neither side respects the neutrality beyond what is explicitly spelled out in whatever agreement they have. Both sides want Annie to have her scales weighted towards them. Even if the court doesn't have to appoint Annie as medium, he likes her too much to just discount her. Communication hasn't happened between both sides till recently. Having a channel at all is better than none. I've mentioned this before but no one responded. In comic, mediums are supposed to balance nature and technology, not forest vs court, although they are similar concepts. Annie is very accepting of both natural things and technical things. She is balanced. It makes no sense to have someone neutral represent one side... they've got to be bias toward that side to represent it at all. Jones is the most neutral but she's not even in the running for a medium.
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Post by King Mir on Jan 12, 2011 4:24:23 GMT
If Annie comes back to get stuff, and stay at the court for the end of the school year (which I think is likely), I wonder if she will take Shadow 2 with her. Will she offer it? Will he want to?
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Post by TBeholder on Jan 12, 2011 9:20:49 GMT
And considering Annie was basically raised in a hospital, I doubt she learned much of cooking - or if she did, not in small quantities. (Cooking for 40 people is significantly different from cooking for one or two.) And suddenly i understood how Annie is going to practice controlling her inner fire... Also:
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 12, 2011 15:20:19 GMT
So many questions about what a stay in the forest will be like. Things Annie is too caught up in the moment to consider. I think she's forgotten about her previous obligation to Kat and her family. Que remembering in three.. two.. One of the big things going on right now is power play.. with Annie as the centerpiece. She's the natural choice for the next court medium. Mediums are supposed to be "neutral", but neither side respects the neutrality beyond what is explicitly spelled out in whatever agreement they have. Both sides want Annie to have her scales weighted towards them. Even if the court doesn't have to appoint Annie as medium, he likes her too much to just discount her. Communication hasn't happened between both sides till recently. Having a channel at all is better than none. I've mentioned this before but no one responded. In comic, mediums are supposed to balance nature and technology, not forest vs court, although they are similar concepts. Annie is very accepting of both natural things and technical things. She is balanced. It makes no sense to have someone neutral represent one side... they've got to be bias toward that side to represent it at all. Jones is the most neutral but she's not even in the running for a medium. You missed the entire point of what I said.
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Post by jayne on Jan 12, 2011 16:56:03 GMT
I've mentioned this before but no one responded. In comic, mediums are supposed to balance nature and technology, not forest vs court, although they are similar concepts. Annie is very accepting of both natural things and technical things. She is balanced. It makes no sense to have someone neutral represent one side... they've got to be bias toward that side to represent it at all. Jones is the most neutral but she's not even in the running for a medium. You missed the entire point of what I said. No, I didn't miss your point, I just had nothing to add to it. I was talking about the concept of neutrality for a medium.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 12, 2011 23:06:25 GMT
Oh.. well..
Yeah, I know mediums are supposed to be neutral. I'm just saying I doubt the court and forest care about neutrality beyond the mere appearance of it. Surma was supposed to be neutral, but she went all SECRET AGENT FIREHEADGIRL on Reynard.
Which makes me wonder what else was going on for her to agree to do that.. but.. that's another topic.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 12, 2011 23:13:01 GMT
Awh screw it. This thread is spent more or less. I wanna talk about it.
Why would Surma betray the forest like that? Coyote didn't give a damn in the end, but what would cause her to clearly side with the court? Some awful event? Maybe she just agreed coyote handing out his powers was a plain BAD NO NO IDEA because she was aware of the possible consequences.
Now that I say it, that last one sounds pretty plausible. No ill will. Just didn't want Coyote to coyote a situation?
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Post by jayne on Jan 13, 2011 0:28:44 GMT
Wait, you've missed my point!
"I know mediums are supposed to be neutral"
How do you know this? I haven't found it in comic and the role of medium in GC is not the same as the definition of a medium.... (person who speaks to ghosts, etc)
We all say that's the role but I can't find where that was established and I'm fairly good at that.
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 13, 2011 0:43:55 GMT
Awh screw it. This thread is spent more or less. I wanna talk about it. Why would Surma betray the forest like that? Coyote didn't give a damn in the end, but what would cause her to clearly side with the court? Some awful event? Maybe she just agreed coyote handing out his powers was a plain BAD NO NO IDEA because she was aware of the possible consequences. Now that I say it, that last one sounds pretty plausible. No ill will. Just didn't want Coyote to coyote a situation? I don't think mediums are supposed to be neutral at all, really; I think that they're just a fancy type of Diplomat that the Court uses to negotiate and mediate disputes with the Forest. Diplomats, for uncounted thousands of years, have also typically been spies, and with that in mind Surma's apparent betrayal sorta begins to make sense.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 13, 2011 3:50:31 GMT
How do you know this? I haven't found it in comic and the role of medium in GC is not the same as the definition of a medium.... (person who speaks to ghosts, etc) ..I am talking about court mediums. I don't think mediums are supposed to be neutral at all, really; I think that they're just a fancy type of Diplomat that the Court uses to negotiate and mediate disputes with the Forest. Diplomats, for uncounted thousands of years, have also typically been spies, and with that in mind Surma's apparent betrayal sorta begins to make sense. ..That's.. pretty much exactly what I was getting at? Publicly, diplomats aren't supposed to to do that kind of thing. They are also supposed to be neutralish. Neutral enough to bother listening to the other side in an honest manner, anyway. They certainly aren't supposed to abuse their position to put a stranglehold on the other side's balls. Yet the reality is far from that. Court Mediums (since I've been forced to specify court every single time) are supposed to listen honestly to both court and forest. It's necessary to keep the line of communication. My point is, publicly, both sides smile and nod that this is so. Privately, not so much. It's a very similar situation. Annie, due to circumstances, could probably be swayed to work in secret for either side. At least I'm sure the court and coyote think so. If nothing else, give them information she shouldn't. Which is something she's already done for Coyote(that coyote already knew is besides the point).
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 13, 2011 3:57:17 GMT
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 13, 2011 4:04:35 GMT
Erk, added more to my first post to avoid a double post. Should have posted it separately if Mezzaphor was going to post.
I remember the talk Jones had with Annie a while ago about the role of the medium in the court and forest. Jones did mention stuff about not favoring one side or the other too heavily to facilitate communication. Then again, THIS IS JONES. I guess we can't trust her.
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Post by Mezzaphor on Jan 13, 2011 4:15:43 GMT
This page?Interesting. I never paid attention to the "usually" in Jones' first statment before. I suspect Jones is describing the ideal... which, apparently, neither side is trying very hard to live up to.
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Post by Stately Buff-Cookie on Jan 13, 2011 6:13:23 GMT
I see multiple things going on.
IDEALLY [which is what I was discussing for the record] the mediums are supposed to be objective to do their job better. Neither side wants to do this beyond the barest attempts at looking neutral. As Hal9000 pointed out, a diplomat makes one hell of a good spy. Surma even put it into practice. They need a medium that is acceptable enough for both sides.. but tilted enough to be useful. Both sides want the tilt in their direction.
Jones is already on the record as not being for the court. At least not specifically. She could be trying to sabotage both sides for whatever reason only Jones knows. What better way to ruin the court/forest game of tag than to produce a medium that actually is neutral? Someone that won't play along with the shenanigans of either side.
edit: The forest has Ys as the medium, but his stance is very well known. He's absolutely useless as an actual diplomat. Much less a spy.
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Post by jayne on Jan 13, 2011 13:11:54 GMT
I asked, "How do you know this" and you answered "..I am talking about court mediums." I understand you're talking about court mediums. I asking you to provide a link to a comic that supports the neutrality of a court medium with regard to the forest and the court. I've only found one and it supports the neutrality of a court medium with regard to nature and the technology. I haven't found anything that would lead me to believe a court medium should not act solely in the interests of the court. Ysengrin certainly doesn't and he's the forest's medium.
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Post by jayne on Jan 13, 2011 14:20:42 GMT
"the mediums are supposed to be objective to do their job better. Neither side wants to do this beyond the barest attempts at looking neutral. "
Again, how do you know, or why do you believe, a medium is supposed to be objective?
I'm trying to understand the reasoning so don't simply state its true, explain why you believe it to be true.
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Post by jayne on Jan 13, 2011 16:42:49 GMT
A news reporter should be objective, favoring neither the republicans or the democrats. They should be neutral observers, like Jones. (They should be but rarely are in practice.)
A court medium is a representative just as a congressman or senator is. If the court is like republicans and the forest is like democrats, then the "republican" medium will not be equally "democratic".
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Post by hal9000 on Jan 13, 2011 18:33:37 GMT
I think the thread has reached a heated agreement, since as far as I can tell everybody is arguing for pretty close to the same thing.
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